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DEFINITLY does not stack, you guys will even lie to defend blizzard, interesting. although im guessing you just dont even play leapquake so, that to. how about you link your character profile before telling someone something like that, they might just go waste hundreds of hours based on that assessment and then end up seeing that i was right. honestly though i could care less if hundreds of people said it stacked. ive played for 600+ hours as leapquake and know it doesnt, i could care less what you think i just dont want other people to mess up and go leapquake. although im starting not to care about that either, if you read this whole post and STILL wanna go leapquake without researching then i guess theres no conviincing you anyways.

my best advise to anyone who wants to go leapquake, go COLD quake, use double rend with cold for group t 6 for 20% more group damage, can use call of the ancients for 10% more group crit chance, avalanche isnt bad as cold along with rend, and for high g rifts use the remeanents skull or w/e to charm enemies with the rune on threathning shout for extra health globes, also use ground stomp with the extra health globe chance, "the globes spawn when using the spell not when killing enemies" ignore pain "group rune" with pride of cassius and just become a half support class because you can just go ahead and give up on damage when people are doing 4 times the ammount. but honestly i wouldnt even reccomened this, with top end gear atacks are 21-65 million.

well i have to say, you kind of have to compare your class to others. i wanna be on the leaderboards with barbs in a GROUP setting, if im not carrying my weight we wont go as far, i dont like raekor, you knock the mobs everywhere even if you try not to and you have to skip many packs which your group can handle without you but this makes things MUCH slower. and im gonna hafta to say no...there is no diversity. im comparing barb to barb, raekor critting for 600 million and leapquake critting for 60 - 80 "with best in slot" million less often "about half as often" yes that seems very diverse to me, VERY competitive right? not even close, and like i said, it WAS balanced when leapuake STACKED. now it doesnt and its a complete joke. i shouldnt be forced into playing one build if i want to compete, yes COMPETE. its not a competition when one build blows out all the others rendering them completly useless for competition. and raekor is a SINGLE player build. because i guess i have to keep repeating myself or you just didnt read. you HAVE to skip LOTS of packs of mobs and when your in a group thats not gonna happen. you obvious play raekor and dont see the problem, in fact if you can link me your build with your leapquake gear ill comnpletly agree with you. YOUR the one who hasnt tried it and has no idea what your talking about. id love to see your armory i bet you dont even have lut socks or a stat stick or an earthquake cindercoat. dont judge if you havent tried it. and defending blizzard will only make this problem worse and then you will NEVER see class diversity. go ahead, name one class that even does half the ammount of damage as the one build one passive one set of gear class...there is none. and that right there is the problem that most of you fail to see and the ones that do see that have already quit and could care less about this forum. and i applaud them for that, nothing will change if people keep giving in saying things are ok.



not to get off track, but we ran 25 greater rifts earlier, 70% of elites were electrify, and the ones that werent were arcane torrent in a narrow hallway thats completly undodgable as melee. in fact, as leapquake, you cant even leap in or your inta dead. as raekor, you charge and knock them through the lazers. and you wonder why i complain about class diversity. go ahead, tell me another spec for barbs. id LOVE to hear it. because quite frankly im sick of being forced into playing one spec one build one set of passives that everyone else uses just to compete in a group setting. ice is NOT a damage spec, it is support 100%, and bad support at that. half the mobs cant be frozen and they can STILL cast affixes even if they are. but sure, i guess if you wanna call that class diversity why not..only problem is its not.

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Hi guys,

Took a break from Diablo and now Im back after 2.1. So OP mentioned earlier that earthquake does NOT stack anymore. Is this true? is there a blue post somewhere?

Thanks a lot in advance.

its true, im paragon 500 and ive been leapquake the whole time, theres a reason i made this post, wonder why nobody whos leapquake is high on the leaderboard unless theyre in a group? thats why. the damage was cut in 1/3rd essentially and everyone thinks thats completly fine. you know 66% less damage, not a bad thing at all for a class that wasnt even over powered to begin with. nope, completly fine. at this point if you wanna compete you HAVE to go coldquake with all support spells for your group. but i honestly dont care what you guys think, if you wanna believe it stacks go right on ahead champ..

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Barbs can already do grift lvl 41. EXACTLY like wizards and wd's etc. where is the problem again?

the problem is the people that did this "and ive seen them do it" had a shielding pylon for the rift boss, had an easy skelaton rift with a huge raekor muliplyer, skipped half the elite packs " over 12" and got the stoneslinger boss that splits and has NO health. , and theres very few people that have been lucky enough to do this. theres twenty times more demon hunters that have been close to this high and 10 times more wizards. im guessing more but i dont feel like exaggeratingon and im talking about your lord alkaizer btw, and others close to him, conduit on boss, shieling on boss. whats the diference, easy mode either way..

there were more builds when ros came out then there are now is the problem, and there should be competive builds, i understand one will always be better, but wheres the options? i dont see any. i see a move you can spam every second that aoes mobs for upwards of 600 mil and a move that tics every 3 seconds for 60 mil with top end gear. thats not options buddy, thats suicide going into greater rifts. they ruined pet doctors as well, and even other demon hunter builds, and wizard builds. the game is moving into a direction that has no options. of course most people want to compete on seasons, doesnt mean everyone should be using all of the same abilitys, passives, and gear. its not even a competitive game at that point, its a lets see who can get the same greater rift with more conduits and more mob density and easier rift bosses, we all have the same gear so thats not a factor. because believe it or not at this point everyone's raekor gear and builds are EXACTLY alike. so you tell me then, whats the point in leaderboards when its all based on luck, not gear, not skills, not builds, not passives, those are allll the same. so whats left of the game at this point? go right on ahead, inspect all the top classes, you would be AMAZED to see how everyone has all of the same gear and passives. you know why? because they dont have a choice.

if you read the forums daily youd notice witch doctors constantly complaining they cant go pet build, or they spent hundreds and hundreds of hour going pet build just to have to switch builds and spend hundreds and hundreds of more hours regearing for that new spec. i have tried multiple specs, lightning raekor...sucked...ice leapquake, only good for support, fire leapquake...sucked. ancient spear boulder toss was a joke. what else is there to try? you tell me.

also i have a lot of friends on diablo and many of them have quit, id say 50% and this was due to one class, one spec mentality. nobody wants to be the same class with all the same spells and all the same passives, its not fun. there needs to be build diversity for this game to be successful. says who? says all the people who constantly complain to me day after day and all of the people on the forums since ros came out, the funny thing is there is less classes and less builds to go now then when RoS first came out. and you dont see that as a problem? barbs only have 1 class , 1 spec, witch doctors 1 class, 1 spec, wizards,1 class, 1 spec. the only class that has multiple succesfull builds are crusaders. and not to get off topic but many people came to seasons for the new legendaries, and they all suck. except for crusader and the wizard wand...and thats only for running bounties. so how about you point out o me the GOOD things about this game instead of just counter whatever im saying with something thats completly untrue, and yes, they have lost many customers since ros came out, no doubt. you know how i know? because when i join a public game, it puts me in the same exact game over and over after i leave. wanna know why? because people are quitting the game not only because of the class issues listed previously but because theres no point to doing greater rifts first off besides leveling gems, its bad gear, and bad exp, and there is MAJOR density problem to the point where whoever is on top of the leaderboards got there from a conduit on the boss and killing lots of white zombies and skelotons. if you get a corrupted angel map guess what? you have to remake to compete. sounds like a winning patch to me. but your right, the games never been better. maybe half of my 80 friends quit because of something else. o wait...they didnt.

ooo and did i mention blizz doesnt even care if you exploit? and that they knew this exploit was in the ptr but failed fixing it...guess testing it before it went live was pretty hard huh? maybe as hard as making more then 1 spec per class?

Discontinued's quoute - "So your argument: Why can't I compete using a sub-optimal end game set vs optimal end game sets of other classes. Why do people think that Blizzard can perfect multiple sets for many different builds in an environment as competitive as greater rifts? There are a lot of factors to be considered outside of just raw statistics as well..

If you want to be competitive, you have to go to the best. This isn't "one build mentality" this is how every competition works for anything; sports, video games, doesn't matter. Optimality will always win out and will always be determined, that's how it goes; if you don't like it, then don't be competitive"



your missing the big picture here...first off, its NOT that hard to balance leapquake and furious charge. you wanna know how i know? because they WERE competitive with each other BEFORE they made leapquake not stack, now its just a joke. and quit defending blizzard, you think its ok that each class has only 1 build besides crusader? sure you have the option of fire charge and lightning, but guess what? fire is two times better. still just one. until people realize the major problem in this game nothing is going to change, yeah you might like your build. good for you, doesnt mean everyone does. its like when the trade centers went down, sure people in africa didnt give two shits most likely, does it mean that it was ok? people always have this well it doesnt affect ME mentality when actually it affects the whole cumminity which DOES affect you. do you have any idea how many people already quit this game for this EXACT reason? what happens when the game starts dying, and they dont make enough money next expansion because LOTS of people have quit because of things like these? they might not even MAKE a new expansion once they see they're numbers at the end of this one, how many people quit because of things like this. getting your favorite build essentially taken out of the game.look at pet doctors, they are a joke to. you think they are going to continue making expansions when they see how many people quit because of things like these? id love to hear your selfish response so go ahead. make fun of the "gear" that i dont even play anymore and gave away to a friend.

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Meanwhile Alkaizer does grift41 on his seasonal barbarian...

We refer you to all the posts regarding monster density RNG and skipping elite packs.

So you say Barb is not good for higher Grifts (not competitive enough). But when someone finds a way to do the higher grifts you say that "nah this is not the way he should do it". Essentially, until yo beat grift40+ by the way you want to do it, everything else is bad, lame and not proper.

So the guys who did lvl50 grift in party and left elites behind did it wrong and this tactic is stupid?

Mate, someone already discovered what to do to get high grifts with barb why don't you use their knowledge and embrace it? You can say that Unity is lame, and should not be count as 'normal beating' of grifts. RoRG is lame, because it bands the game mechanics.

Higher rifts are doable as Barb. If you don't want to do it in way it's effective it's only your choice but don't say noone should roll barb because he is underpowered.

i never said that, have you been paying attentiuon to this post? i said never roll leapquake UNLESSS your ice for support with ground stomp and cold rend for 10% extra damage boost for party. fire leapquake sucks dude, ive tried every variable multiple times for hours and hours and my average crit was around 70 mil. thats terrible, i think you could agree on that. furious charge can crit over 250 mil, and thats build diversity to you? furious charge is ok as long as you have the lightning immuity necklace, otherwise your gonna suck in groups because 25% of packs are electrify.and yes 1 barb got high on the greater rifts, have you seen the leaderboards? about 100 barbs past g rift 35, about over 1200 demon hunters past that? hmmm..i wonder whats better? and thats only comparing ONE class.

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I cleared a couple 42s in a 4 man group with a fire leap barbarian on season, and we had a pretty average rifts - not terrible act-5 mobs in a cave, but not hordes of zombies either. Raekor's is better yeah but the ceiling for Leapquake is not 30-34 it is higher than that. I did a 41 in a 2 man group using Raekor's so I have experience with both specs.

With Furnace and only defensive buffs from Crusader/Monk (so I didn't get one-shot gg) earthquake ticks were 100-120m, so you can get it to be higher than what you're experiencing. I do agree leapquake damage is not close to what other classes can get, but honestly not very many classes can contribute to a group doing 40+ with their 'second' spec. It's a problem with every class that there is one clearly superior set-based spec.

I have not played much solo though as I usually am playing with friends, so I can't speak to that.

it might hit for 120 mil, with brawler, and other buffs, unbuffed it doesnt hit that hard, i have a furnace, a 20%% fire 15% earth damage cinder, a perfect hell fire ammy, near perfect soj, near perfect granduer ring, good hexing pants. so tell me again, what am i missing to not crit for that much? its total bs, just cause you dont have the best gear and your hitting for 50 mil doesnt mean earthquake hits for 120 mil unbuffed without passives like the one that does 20% more damage to mobs under 30%. its not that good, and if you think it is prove it, because i call bs. and if you do happen to take a screenshot make sure to include your passives :).i have the VERY close to the best gear, and i do have every piece nessasary, and im critting 70 mil. and youtr saying, you can almost double that? lmao with what huh? a magic wand that buffs skills?

btw if your using bane of the trapped with stun leapquake, thats a different problem, because in high greater rifts you will die constantly by not having the armor leap so you can go ahead and just forget that. also i gave my account away, im not going to equip all my gear just so people can believe me, i could care less. but leading people on telling them it crits that high when it doesnt unless your defense its balls is just not true, and even then i dont see it critting over 90 mil.

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We can both agree Raekor is better.

Ofcourse you can make Strongarm work without Seismic slam.. change your leap rune(Not saying this is viable just saying that Seismic isn't the only way to go about it.)

Which Gem are you using instead of the smite gem?

I'm fairly certain the ancients will be just fine in a ~ 34 grift aslong as you don't use the 50 % dmg reduction rune.. I'm using them for dmg & nothing else(Council rises) - as I said my barb gear is pretty shitty.

Besides what does the size of the hits have to do with anything? It's not like Earthquake is only hitting once. If biggest crit determined which class was the best.. I don't think we would be seeing an awful lot of demon hunters at the top of the leaderboards

You didn't answer though - what about the unity?

it hits every 2-3 seconds, witch doctors can dhit 600 mill every 6-8 seconds, you tell me whats better.
wizards can hit for 400 mil within 8 seconds as well, and in that ammount of time we might hit for 180 mil. can you do math?
btw i gave my account away to a friend, gear is changed.

First off the only way strangarm will work with leapquake is with seismic slam which will get you KILLED...which right off the bat tells me you dont know what your talking about.secondly if you didnt read, im not using the smite gem, i was testing the smite gem, see as its level 1? thirdly i HAVE a furnace and its about the SAME. i lose cooldown from my weopon, 10% which means i have to add paragon points in cooldown, which takes away crit damage. i also lose vit, which means i have to roll vit in my paragon, also lose damage "strength" look at it however you want, unless you have the proof to say otherwise leapquake is simpy not good. and yes i have a almost perfectly rolled maximus as well, also comparable to the two 1 handers in my opinion worse.

and i doubt you can go g rift 34 with ik set,. ill tell you this though, you wont be competing with raekor. not by a longshot.

and if you keep your ik set, sooner or later your ancients are going to get 1 shotted and your gonna lose all that damage reduction. this also tells me that you havent done any high greater rifts.

ALSOOO, im hitting for 70 million, with almost all bis or close to it, "with hexing pants and berserker rage" 50% more damage. other classes are doing 3 - 6 times that ammount, you really think an extra 10% elite damage or 10% fire damage or whatever the case is going to QUADROUPLE my damage? youd have to be a complete barb fan boy to think this or just dont care about leaderboards or damage.

i already uninstalled diablo because i was so annoyed with the game and so i can play destiny, i have and have tried every belt if you really wanna defend barbs being "good" with leapquake then your fooling yourself or you just have no clue what your talking about. ill tell you this though, once you have the best gear, and your trying to go past greater rift 30 even, maybe slightly higher if your gear is godly, and everyone else is at greater rift 38-40. dont say i didnt warn you.

my friend just started a wizard, got his firebird set in 4 day and is doing MORE damage then me. not complaining here but i think it seems kind of unfair seeing as to how i put hundreds of hours and sleepless nights into this and someone else whos a casual does more damage. wheres the logic there?

i have a hellfire amulet with those stats, and it doesnt seem to be much better. i do have a furnace as well, and its still bad damage. it ups it slightly. not even close to being viable. two 1 handers seem to be better then furnace imo, or close to it with more cooldown. sure it ups the damage slightly, but i lose lots of vit and i lose cooldown, and my sunkeeper already has 27% elite and burning axe with 20% fire so it doesnt up it that much. you might think a 2 hander would be better right? not really...im telling you, theres no hope for this build in any way shape or form. i would absolutely love it if you could prove me wrong but its not going to happen. sure you can equip harringtons with wrath of berserker, but thats not going to happen often.

sort of like theres no hope for lots of builds and classes, which doctor pet build for example.

i think this game majorly lacks build diversity,

let me explain what you can do as barb right now and make it in high greater rifts, fire raekor, lightning raekor with shard and odyn son....thats it.,

even ancient spear boulder toss is garbage, close to the best gear and critting for 165 million while jade doc's crit for 600 mill in the same ammount of time...and the sad part, jade doctors arent that good either!

So ive been play seasons for hundreds and hundreds of hours now, spent many nights not even sleeping. im over pargon 470 and my gear is almost all BiS. however, my damage doesnt even compete with all other classes that have even okay or started gear. im critting for about 50-70 mil which i find is a joke with BiS. other classes are hitting 4-8 times harder with my kind of gear. so i think its funny, new patch, some old 1 build per class mentality. i mean,you definitely cant compete with the damage im doing even with the best gear. i personally dont like raekor so i feel like im being forced to play at it, because at this point in the season if i remade my chracter and tried to regear, it would take me hundreds and hundreds of hours to get the same gear i have on my barb and i would have very little chance of making it high on the leaderboards when everyone else has hundreds of hours of an advantage.



i know what everyone is thinking " well then why are all the classes high on the leaderboards", 1 answer, classes like barbs have to skip 40% of the elite packs they fight, and any idiot could kill a bunch of zombies and skelotons, get an easy rift boss boom boom bang. also raekor is good for clearing trash even though they have to skip a lot of elites. and also if you look on the leaderboard yeah they're are maybe 100 barbs or so 35+ and there is over 1000 demon hunters over 35+. and thats just an example of one class, you cant just look and say hey look everyone is high on the leaderboard therefor theres balance in the game. do you really wanna know what raekor barbs do in groups? they die, over and over or they just sit there while everyone kills fiery chains and eletrify.



here is my gear, and please dont say "your not using a 2 hander" because

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/copealope-1223/hero/47604958

1) i have a max damage roll maximus with good fire damage, similar result

2) off hand damage doesnt matter with leapwuake so you get more stats with 2 1 handers.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/copealope-1223/hero/51716830

so anyone who is trying to gear leapquake, if your trying to compete, switch builds or classes now because you will NEVER compete as leapquake.

and i know i have a level 1 gem in my neck, was testing its damage so you can avoid bashing me on that, k thanks bye.

were doing this on tier 37 and were in a group, my leapquakes crit for over 90 mil a tic along with rend which is 25 mil a tic and if you have all melee in your group you get demolished. it doesnt matter if its on a high diffaculty hes GOING to split and you HAVE to have ranged. thats the problem i speak of. i know hes condiered easy at tier 30 or below, but not when you get higher. the game shouldnt be designed like that, you should be able to play whatever class you please and still be able to kil any boss. what if your groups all meleee? guess what, you cant kill the boss. lol