If you go back and read what myself and others have posted and actually do some research before posting here you will realize that this is quite false.
Actually he's right. And how does reading your previous posts prove that this statement is false? Ae you providing us with actual numbers about possible builds throughout D3's development? Point at a period of time where D3 had more build diversity. And notice that he said that he is not talking about the top leaderboards.
If you are just talking about putting skills together with no synergy then yes now there are more options because we have a 4th passive, but if you are talking about viable endgame builds that synergize well then no.
Love people that claims to be experienced and yet, they have no clue about the game.
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I don't know who Silvach is talking about but Hyperion you are wrong. And saying endgame after two people stated that they are not talking about end game is just pretending to be stupid. Right now, on T6 , there are multiple viable specs for every class. Sure you can say "t6 is easy so everything works" but that's just wrong. Try gearing up from the beginning and you will see that T6 still hits like a motherfucker... In high GR every class has one build (maybe 2 in some cases) but before high gr there are multiple viable builds for every class and that's a fact. Point at a period of time where D3 had more diversity and provide us with examples to prove your claims if you really think that you are right.
Every class has at least 3 builds that are t6 viable at the moment and that's quite awesome.
nobody cares about t6 dude, thats why more then half of the people that play diablo quit the game and then came back was for greater rifts. you think there is actually people out there that just do nothing but t 6? i doubt it. and its seasons, there is always going to be room to progress on the leaderboards even if its by a few seconds. to say that greater rifts are not end game is just silly.theres honestly nothing else to do in the game unless you want to run t 6 over and over until you get bored and quit which what the majority of the players did last patch and i cant blame them. at one point last patch i couldnt stop getting into to the same t 6 games over and over and over because a level 56 and a 76 paragon were trying to "do" t 6, was never like that at all when the Ros first came out, got into a new game everytime which alone tells me the game was dying. at least now there is a reason to get gear in the game especially is seasons. there will always be room to progress on the leaderboards in seasons. nobody says you have to be #1
I'm, to a degree, kind of mortified on how serious people get on the spirit of fairness. Note I agree some Pylons are a bit over the top, and maybe Shrines too. (Although if a person is wearing Shrine Gloves and banking on RNG... Well, they could have wore something else in that slot? This is kind of a conscious decision on their part.)
But really what I'm getting at is I would not be surprised if, when Pylons/Shrines are removed (because they can lead to extreme outliers-- especially empowerment shrine, Power/Conduit Pylon), we're going to see some of these same people move on to "X proc'd Y more than me, he was just lucky". Gear is already complained about, when its the same RNG barrier everyone else also gets; you already see the complaints about Unitys being a hard barrier of entry at the start, which while true for solo challenges definitely isn't the case for the multiplayer ladders, though that seems to be ignored.
I'm just wondering where the cutoff point is where you're reminded that this is actually Diablo, and not some sort of Arena of static speed-running.
i didnt say i wanted shrines in the game, i think its retarted. but it is what it is and if they remove it now the leaderboards would be a complete joke so they would HAVE to reset them if they wanted people to still be able to compete, you cant compete when someone kills a rift guardian in 5 seconds compared to 2-4 minutes or even would have failed the rift because they wouldve ran out of time without it. i had the idea of shrines in the game, my point is why does blizzard have to do it in the middle of the seasons instead i maybe 1 week through the game or even a week and a half, its been over a month and everyone has most of ther gear allowing them do greater rift like 45 with shrines, do you really think anyone will EVER beat that without shrines? i dont. and all of my clan agrees with me.i swear its like people read what they want to read instead of what people actually say,
I knew the epeen waving that would come with leaderboards would ruin this game.
WAAAAHHHH HE GOT A RANDOM SHRINE SPAWN AND IT MADE HIS EPEEN BIGGER THAN MINE ON THE LEADERBOARD WAAAAHHHHH!!!.
The whiners won't be happy until every bit of fun is sucked out of the game to make it completely "fair"
And by fair I mean the deck stacked in their favor.
(Hopefully OP is just trolling though. But it still doesn't change what I said).
lmao your hillarious, your saying that im crying about removing shrines and then your saying you hope they dont remove them in the middle of the seasons as well, kind of condridicting yourself there.
Dude no one is saying leapquake is comparable to other classes or to reakor (which is also bad, it's just good for aoe white trash). Barb is in bad place and no one is denying it (just look at statistics).
The problem was just your original post with your ridiculous statement about your bis gear.
if you actually took the time to read my posts my friend plays my account a lot and split up half the gear for the crusader, also a lot of it is sitting in the bank just in case the crusader needs it because we no longer play crappy old barb. im not gonna keep the same gear equipped for weeks just to please you guys. and yes we had VERY close to bis, the only piece that wasnt was a lightning immune neck and even that wasnt that bad. not to mention i have 2 different sets of gear for fire and ice, my fire gear is ridiculasly good, a burning axe with 10% cooldown, max str, vit, and a socket. and we had a near perfect hellfire ammy but when we cleaned out the stach "because blizz doesnt add enough charcter slots or bank slots" we salvaged it on accident because your pretty much forced to keep your immune necks in your invintory all the time as a barb and if you have on your immune neck your hellfire is sittting in your invintory, not like it matters though, you cant even use a hellfire ammy in g rifts as a barb because of electrify.so tell me what pieces are exactly bad on my barb that im wearing atm? most of the pieces that are equipped are all still close to bis. just because i dont rings equipped doesnt mean i dont have any, same with ammy, and helm. look at my crusader, i have a 99 % rolled leorics with crit and max str, vit roll almost. and even if i didnt have EXACTLY bis, its better then anyone elses gear thats posted and i do more damage to.so i think id have a good drip on exactly what barbs can and cant do as leapquake
and im not a troll, im trying to bring attention to a major problem in this game, the problem that everyone only has 1 spec to play, 1 set of gear, 1 set of passives or they cant even compete high greater rift. i UNERSTAND that builds arent going to br perfectly balanced, but when your talking about a 10 - 15 greater rift difference in most classes i think its a bit ridiculas, and its pathetic that you guys would defend blizzard. this games been out for years and still each class only has 1 set they can use to compete? sounds a bit ridicules to me and i think a lot of people would agree.if you dont read anywhere else but barb forums you can read this for proof
and yes im saying leapauqake doesnt compete, look at the solo leaderboards and you will see why. it might be doable in group play, but you'd still be far better off with a crusader or monk or even raekor just sitting there skipping packs while your group kills it. and raekor would still be better by miles.
i have seen both their streams, and yes that is exactly how it looks they come to almost any 44-45 grift and are able to complete it before boss with ease, not because they are pro skilled players but because they are BARBS. Playing 8 hours a day doesnt give him that skill to complete 45 it just gives him the gear.
No other class in the game currently has such great balance of aoe damage and mobility in a rift, most classes cant choose to skip a shitty pack and just charge through it, most classes just have to kill what they get and if they get shit they have to restart theyr run, but barbs CAN choose what to kill and what to skip
try playing raekor in a group and not being able to skip shit, you die over and over and over again past 35+ maybe a little higher. its probably the worste group spec in the game, and leapquake just does terrible damage so that makes barb a purely solo class unless they want to support the group with warcry and health globes "which dont matter because most classes get 1 shotted once high enough" and anyone who says otherwise honestly probably hasnt played raekor at greater rift 40 in a group without cc.
I can't see them doing removing pylons now , too late , maybe for next season .
i hope your right because it would kill the leaderboards completly, everyone who would be at the top would never move from number 1 , 2 , 3 etc for the rest of the season, i guess we'll find out when the maintenance is over. when it comes back up i'll be running greater rifts constantly to find out.
but then again they didnt even remove an exploit they KNEW was in the game from the ptr, so i can see them doing this.or how about leaving a 70 billion exp per hour matheal exploit in the game for monthes. plenty more examples but im tired and dont feel like complaining.
OP - 2.1 is about as bug-free as a patch of that magnitude can be. I know you expect perfection from blizzard, but if you think this patch is 'buggy', go play some other arpg.
Second, no matter how you balance, no matter what you do, there will ALWAYS be a BEST build for something that's min-maxed as much as possible. This is logically unavoidable. You're asking for the impossible.
Having said that, 2.1 has more build diversity than any other Diablo patch has had since release. I'm not talking about top 100 leaderboards, which is less than 0.01% of the population. I'm talking about the game as a whole.
TL;DR - you got a suspension because you're whining like a little baby. Grow up.
im not sure if you read the thread but its not just the fact that one build is stronger, its 1 build is so much stronger one can do t 6 the other can do greater rift 40 +. sounds like a no brainer to me, even if the damage was 20% less or even 25% less id still play leapquake barb over raekor. unfortanlly with my current gear my raekor crits for over 300 mill and with mostly best in slot my leapquake is critting for 76 mil and les often to and doesnt stun the enemy "unless i want to lose a ton of armor on my leap and die alot in greater rifts":
i mean really, is it to much to ask to balance the builds without one vuild doing quadrouple the damage? i like leapquake but unfortantly it sucks. and thats just one example. my friends a wizard and likes the vyrs set and cant even play it because once again, firebirds does more then 5 times the ammount of damage. thats just ridiculas in my opinion and people shouldnt just shrug and look the other way pretending its okay. you can say its hard to balance sure, but do you really know if it is or not? i can tell you this, if they can make all of these passives and skills and items for each class, then why would it be so impossible to do it twice? they did it for crusader. so whats the difference between a crusader and any other class?
id love to see proof that you did 40+ as leapquake. i pay attention to the leaderboards all the time and it hasnt happend yet.
You obviously don't pay attention very well. I'm the DH in Successbear (Failbear)'s group, and I can definitely confirm he was playing fire Leapquake when we were the 2nd group to clear 4 person grift 42 in season, with an average group paragon of about 275. So it is definitely possible, especially if you're paragon 400+ or whatever you are. Me thinks you just bad and don't know how to not stand in stuff. Or maybe the rest of your group suc..... no that can't be it.
Anyways, I'm pretty sure that myself at paragon 300 and a condemn crusader with garbage single target couldn't kill a 140 billion hp rift guardian in 2min 30sec with no pylon without at least a decent amount of damage from Successbear. So saying you have to get carried through at 40+ is just not true. Sure Raekor's is better, but every class will always have 1 build better than the rest for most situations in this game. Especially if you want to be competitive with it, thats how it always has, and always will be. If you don't like 1 spec being better than the others well then I don't know what to tell you. You should probably find a new genre of game.
raekor is not just better, its seriously 3 -4 times better. it does quadrouple the damage and thats being generous. and yes carried, because the top person who has posted their damage so far was only 100 mill with furnace, which means he not only doesnt hit that hard, he kills white mobs slow to. and more then likely he was sitting there taking screenshots until he got a nice high end crit. they do about half the damge then any class "again definitly less but being generous" so yes in my book thats a carry. call it what you want, i guess if he gives warcry you can just call him support. and no not every class has 1 build thats super strong and all the other builds suck really bad. take crusader for example. more then 3 builds and are all 40+ viable. there has NEVER been a leapquake barb solo 40+. i look at the leaderboards every single day. and theres a reason for that, its not good. kinda like the vyr's set for wizards which also does less then half he damage as firebirds. and you dont see that as a problem at all? well maybe its because your such a blizz and diablo fanboy you cant even admit when they've made the game into a game where your forced to play 1 build 1 spec 1 set of passives 1 set of gear to compete, and theyre all the same. i think it should tell you something when alkaizer has played a barb since vanilla and just now switched to crusader...hmm...i wonder why. and sadly crusaders the only class that has more then 1 build, im not counting demon hunter because moving fire to cold is not a different build in my opinion, your still laying sentries and running in circles. in my opinion there i no reason why they cant add build diversity to this game, if they can do it with crusaders they can do it with barbarians. also leapquake was supposdly buffed? thats a joke because pre patch i was critting 100 mil on my leapquakes, now i have legendary gems like bane of the powerful and trapped with over 60% more damage and i hit for 25 million less per tic....hmmm...sure was some buff.
leapquake can kill rift bosses, not at high g rifts though, and if they can its because they have a furnace, which makes white mobs take forever, and even then my crusader whos way less geared hits for way more, and im like halfway geared, wizards hit for even tripple, demon hunters hit for tripple " over time" anyways your just swapping bad damage on white mobs to bad damage on boss and vise versa. doesnt matter how you look at it, id love to see proof that you did 40+ as leapquake. i pay attention to the leaderboards all the time and it hasnt happend yet. the reason raekor is good for solo is because they clear the rift so fast it doesnt matter if they take 5 minutes to kill the boss, they clear it 3 - 5 times faster then leapquake. and anyone who says you get 100 mil on leapquake tics is using a furnace, its not possible without it, and like i said it makes you do shit for damage on white mobs which DO matter in higher greater rifts because even they have a lot of health. you can try to skip them yes, but when all said and done you need white mobs for progrfess and if you skip all the white mobs you'll find yourself at the end of the rift with not enough elite packs to kill.
ive heard from many streamers that the 10 hour maintnence tommorow is partly for removing shrines and pylons from greater rifts. you guys might think this is a good idea, but everyone who has made it really high on the leaderboards have done it with shrines, for instance theres a barbarian that did greater rift 45. theres no way thats possible as a barb without a shrine for the boss. i say that because barbs can only kill maybe 10% of the rift guardians, and its hard enough to even kill that one. at 45 though im saying with the time that he got, its VERY unliekly that he didnt have a conduit. so now the barb solo leaderboards is not going to be broken and its not fair to the barbs that got unlucky and didnt get a shrine and now will never be able to get a shrine. its ok that they remove it, but really do they have to do it in the middle of the season?
Did a little testing for the sake of the thread, and specifically the 'lol earthquake doesn't tick over 100m' bit.
Here is an Imgur album that shows EQ ticks on a rift boss of 101, 134, and 114m. Hard to get screenshots because the ticks are so fast and there is so much number spam from the ancients. Look at the WHITE numbers, those are the dot ticks - the yellow numbers are not EQ (the 205m is Mirinae).
Also screenshotted is my passives - Nerves of Steel, Relentless, Superstition, Berserker Rage (plus Ruthless from hellfire neck, but none of the screenshots are below 30% health). 3 defensive passives - if there were offensive passives these numbers would be higher.
In before OP makes excuses about why this doesn't count.
-golf clap- guess what though? you cant kill white mobs at all with a furnace. i have more crit damage then you with a furnace and i cant even kill white mobs well in higher greater rifts..you need elemental damage. how about you take a screenshot of you hitting a white mob for more then 35 mill. not to mention, thats a high end number probably, earthquake ticks are all over the damn place usually. also lets say you could even crit white mobs for more then 60 mil...which you cant, it ticks every 2.5-3 seconds so its not a lot of damage compared to i dunno...any other class in the game? and and top of all that said your fire, which means your gonna get crushed in higher rifts unless you have someone cc for you.
i guess it just procs so slow even with with 3 earthquakes its a 3 second per tic. but w/e im raekor now, MUCH better, im hitting 20 times harder and im NOT exaggerating and more often..
I thought you uninstalled diablo 3 and gave your account away? SMH
me and my friend share an account now, i neeed a break for a few days. after my friend discovered that cold quake can be used as support as reinstalled the game to try it. its okay, but the problem is bane of the trapped procs itself, so its suseless in that sense, also cull of the weak with demon hunters is procced by the demon hunters so unesless in that sense, also mobs can cast affixes while frozen, so useless in that sense. but mobs wont melee everyone and you can give health globes from threatning shout and helm of reisance and ground slam. also cold rend makes the group do 10 more damage. but pride of cassious does NOT work in groups, so ignore pain is really only for yourself, and maybe 4 seconds every 18 seconds for your group. all in all its still not good. but my friend likes it, and its pretty much to late to remake and gear a charcter at this point in the season..considering id play a dh with taskers and krider shot with a good immuity neck, dont think its gonna happen in time. made the mistake of picking the absolute weakest class in the game. and the only reason barbs are even on the leaderboards are because they got carried in trials, then got an easy rift, most likely with a shielding or conduit near the boss and easy white mobs and SKIPPED over half the packs.
tried raekor today, 28 million toughness, 70% damage reduction from skills, 85% armor, 72% all resistances, and i die easily in group in g rift 33 to absoultly everything. you kind of NEED a unity otherwise raekor is useless in higher groups if you dont skip packs.
i guess it just procs so slow even with with 3 earthquakes its a 3 second per tic. but w/e im raekor now, MUCH better, im hitting 20 times harder and im NOT exaggerating and more often..
you dont even have the full earthquake set so how exactly did you test this? all i can say is if i lay 3 earthquakes on the same mob it tics every 3-4 seconds. so unless earthquake tics every 9-12 seconds then you might be onto something.
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and im not a troll, im trying to bring attention to a major problem in this game, the problem that everyone only has 1 spec to play, 1 set of gear, 1 set of passives or they cant even compete high greater rift. i UNERSTAND that builds arent going to br perfectly balanced, but when your talking about a 10 - 15 greater rift difference in most classes i think its a bit ridiculas, and its pathetic that you guys would defend blizzard. this games been out for years and still each class only has 1 set they can use to compete? sounds a bit ridicules to me and i think a lot of people would agree.if you dont read anywhere else but barb forums you can read this for proof
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/diablo-iii-general-forums/diablo-iii-general-discussion/93411-blizzard-will-lose-their-most-experienced-players
and yes im saying leapauqake doesnt compete, look at the solo leaderboards and you will see why. it might be doable in group play, but you'd still be far better off with a crusader or monk or even raekor just sitting there skipping packs while your group kills it. and raekor would still be better by miles.
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but then again they didnt even remove an exploit they KNEW was in the game from the ptr, so i can see them doing this.or how about leaving a 70 billion exp per hour matheal exploit in the game for monthes. plenty more examples but im tired and dont feel like complaining.
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i mean really, is it to much to ask to balance the builds without one vuild doing quadrouple the damage? i like leapquake but unfortantly it sucks. and thats just one example. my friends a wizard and likes the vyrs set and cant even play it because once again, firebirds does more then 5 times the ammount of damage. thats just ridiculas in my opinion and people shouldnt just shrug and look the other way pretending its okay. you can say its hard to balance sure, but do you really know if it is or not? i can tell you this, if they can make all of these passives and skills and items for each class, then why would it be so impossible to do it twice? they did it for crusader. so whats the difference between a crusader and any other class?
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tried raekor today, 28 million toughness, 70% damage reduction from skills, 85% armor, 72% all resistances, and i die easily in group in g rift 33 to absoultly everything. you kind of NEED a unity otherwise raekor is useless in higher groups if you dont skip packs.
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