proof diablo is dying "actually already dead nearly" because of exp exploits and changed to trial mid season and poor mob density and pylons in rifts...not saying the should remove pylons mid season. im saying it should have never been there to begin with, same with bad mob density and zombie skelton rifts. and btw i even tested these numbers, joined a game, left, waited 30-45 seconds rejoined. same game over and over again. and even regular rifts are bad at night dropping below 200 people. you might say..well..200 people is playable. but the thing is most of those games are full, so with low numbers like that you will keep getting in the same game over and over again.
sure you can say but i have friends to play with, but what happends when theres an even bigger change mid season? or another BIG exploit they dont fix? then even your friends might quit..most people already have.
im not trying to bash diablo, im trying to bring attention to the problems they've made and show you the consequences to make the game a better game.
NO ONE WILLEVER EVEREVEREVER BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE THE TOP PLAYERS BECAUSE THEYLL HAVE TO TRY A WITTLE HARDER WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sidenote; Fireball never stops being awesome
It wouldn't be an issue if it was a little harder. But as soon as all stockpiled high level greater rift keys are used up, the top spots on the leaderboard are not likely to change. Making changes mid season creates an uneven playing field, its as simple as that, I'm not trying to be dramatic.
What on earth are you talking about? So because it'l take a little longer to get to the Grift you're trying to complete, that suddenly means everyone in the top 10 has cemented their spot?
You guys are high
Let me explain to you how it worked before today's patch.
In groups of 4, it was relatively easy to get high level keystones, and these keystones were really higher then what you were really capable of, but if you got a good rift or a conduit pylon they were possible. So people would collect many high level keystones and if they got lucky in just ONE of those rifts they could rank.
Now with the change to trials, instead of starting at say a 48 for example, they now start at lets say a 43. Now they must complete around 4-5 rifts in order to get the opportunity to try a 48 in the hopes of getting a good rift/conduit. And all those 4-5 rifts must be decent in order for this to happen. This makes it A LOT harder.
And no we're not High...
"In groups of four it was easy to get...keystones higher tha*n what you were capable of." <- I think this is exactly what Blizzard is trying to stop. You're talking about them patching it during the middle of a season, yet what they're patching is people who AREN'T capable of achieving the ladder rank from doing so in this case. If you aren't capable, you shouldn't be able to do so. That simple, no point in complaining about it; find a way to do it legitimately then. Should be determined by skill, not luck and by this I mean the lower rungs of the ladder are perfectly capable of being completed/competed against without those 'well-timed' conduit pylons.
And to Copealope, this is, approximately, the third thread you've started where you've bitched about something in D3, yet have supposedly still "quit". I don't get it. If you quit, leave the game and us alone from your constantly negative commentary. Someone who posts this much about changes after the fact clearly hasn't quit. Please, also refrain from using the logic that most WoW haters/ex-players used: "majority of players have quit" "no one plays the game anymore" "game x has no players" etc. You have no facts and can't support these claims. If you're trying to make people jump off D3 with you, look elsewhere besides a FAN forum for the game you're trying to hate on. It's, sorry for my language, retarded really.
thats just the way the game was desigined, its not the players fault for playing the game the way it needs to be played to compete and get high on the leaderboards. now you CANT get high on the leaderboards, you'll see in a few weeks when all the top 10 in each class hasn't even moved. you guys act like this is a victory to the game when in fact they could have just done it at the beginning of next season. just because you dont compete doesnt mean it doesnt affect you, if you've noticed that theres only 35 people joining public games for greater rifts, i think that shows there is a problem. and there was only 650 people for regular rifts, and that was at a good time, in the middle of the night if any of you play at night im sure its half of that probably a fourth. when at the begining of hit season i was seeing thousands of people joining public games for greater rifts and regualar rifts. this also makes it a lot harder to find guilds and people in community's etc.but i can see all of you already have that "im already in a guild why should it matter to me" mentality. i guess if you want to call them losing more then half their players a victory i guess call it what you want.but i can tell you this, i doubt that most of the people that quit are coming back after this season.
proof diablo is dying "actually already dead nearly" because of exp exploits and changed to trial mid season and poor mob density and pylons in rifts...not saying the should remove pylons mid season. im saying it should have never been there to begin with, same with bad mob density and zombie skelton rifts.
What I mean is that, it's season 1. The very first season ever in D3. They want to use this opportunity to clean up issues, tweak and adjust as needed so that all future seasons go off much smoother, without need for further adjustments.
sure you can say that, but at the same time many people are quitting the game over this and afraid to rejoin the game and put hundreds and hundreds of hours into the game thinking that this kinda crap might happen again.
Yes it makes it harder but it also makes the game obviously better.
It's a fucked up situation when fucked up people insist on a wrong balance to improve their chances of getting a top rank in the leaderboards. A rank most of us don't care about.
I don't give a shit who is in the top 10 of whatever useless ranking right now while i do want to play a better game. Therefor your whining and bitching around about a good chance is totaly worthless and will be ignored by Blizzard.
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so just because it doesnt matter to you means it shouldnt matter to everyone? greater logic, except it DOES matter to a lot of people and the world does not revolve around what you think.
The overwhelming opinion here seems to be "I don't care about competition in this game, therefore you shouldn't care about it either and I pity you if u do" and all I have to say to that is... wow, are you all really this self-centered? Personally, I don't care about the competition... I don't even play seasons, but I understand that there are people that do and for those people this change makes the current highest ranks almost impossible to reach again.
Yes, this is because people abused the trial system to get higher keys than they were able to do and then play the RNG game to get zombies/conduit and clear... Yes this needed to be fixed, but if there is an exploit that's caused people to achieve a higher rank then those things should get fixed between seasons not half way through... Either that or the entire ladder should be reset.
To reiterate, you may not care about competition but for some people the entire game revolves around pushing further forward, reaching the higher ranks and this change makes that impossible for them because they will likely now never push further than they did pre-patch and now have no chance of reaching higher ranks. Changes that make it harder to achieve higher ranks in GR should be applied at the end of a season, doing it during a season completely destroys the point of the ladder/competitive scene... Which in turn makes playing the game pointless for those that play for the competition.
i never said it was a bad thing that they took it out, im saying because they took it out they need to reset the leaderboards or yes it is a bad thing to everyone who is actually competing, i can see that none of you actually compete or you wouldnt be saying everything that you guys have. and its not even an exploit to get high trial keys, demon hunters are just so op they carry people to high ranks, demon hunter were super over powered in the ptr, and they didnt change much...not sure what they expected. the whole trial idea in generel is a flawed and poor system. sentries will ALWAYS dominate trials unless they get a huge nerf or make them killable. that still does not mean that demon hunters can get to wave 55 in trials...thats unheard of. and its even more unheard of to get a 40 keystone and upgrade the key 5 or 6 times. the odds are your gonna fail after 1 or 2 because of poor mob density and stacking all the hard mobs in 1 rift rather then putting a couple hard mobs in each rift. and sure you can call it a challenge to have all hard mobs like angels and mallet lords, but at higher levels it doesnt matter what class you have your not gonna pass a 44 greater rift with nothing but angels and exarchs and mallet lords. it takes way to long to kill and your being timed.
plus i could care less what people think of me, im just trying to bring attention to the issues that need to be adressed because after all blizz claims to do what the customers want, and if the customers dont care why should they pay money to change things like this?
wanna know why there's more and more people saying, ooo its just an exploit who cares, or ooo they made impossible to be on top of the leaderboards now who cares, its because you are now the vast majority of players because everyone else has already quit. and i cant blame them. hell i even quit and i love diablo. but putting hundreds and hundreds of hours just to try to compete late in the season and now i run into this...im sorry but i agree. who am i kiddiing, this season is a complete joke. and i probably wont be playing until season 3 or 4 IF its still alive by then because i dont wanna work very hard towards something and have a repeat of this season. and i think a lot of people would agree with me, they might not be here, because they quit and dont care. but if they were they would. hell my clan fell apart because of all the bs and started playing archage, now were an archeage guild lmao. just comes to show how much of a joke this season really is...and probably next.
Okay so how it used to be is whatever wave you were on you got a keystone 5 levels below that wave. now they changes it to 10, this doesnt sound like a big deal but let me assure you , it is a HUGE deal. wave 46 to 51 is like going from t4 to t 6. so congrats to everyone who made it on the leaderboards, you've secured your positions for the rest of the seasons. everyone give them a round of applause while half the population quits from major changes mid season. im going to lol when i log on each day to see the same top 10 not move at all on every class. i guess a lot of people already quit from the exploit and lack of builds and sets though. i feel like this season is ruined, and anyone who thinks they can get to wave 56 on the solo barbarian leaderboards is joking themselves. blizzard should NOT be making these changes mid season. its not okay and not fair to everyone who worked so hard to get gear and hasnt started competing seriously yet.
ive been saying that since this patch came out, most classes only have 1 spec and sometimes even 1 element. kind of makes people get bored of the game quicker.
I wonder how you can have so low drop chance from Kadala.
In this season I have geared 4 hc season chars fully with sets and other great items too, even have leftovers. Gotten for maybe 3 complete Marauder's sets, 2x thasker and theo, 2 witching hours. Fully geared Akhan crusader, lots of all pieces for monk, all 3 sets.
I just really don't believe you can have used such a high amount of shards and gotten nothing.
Or maybe you just go so good drop chance for Seasonal chars. I however have no problem gambling my items. Nor do any in my clan.
my whole clan is the opposite, and i believe there has been stealth nerfs, blizz doesnt say anything but nerfs kadala. thats what i think anyways seeing as how i got my earthquake and raekor set within 1 day and in 20 hours of speed farming t 6 rifts and greater rifts WITH another crusader who was giving me his loot still nothing. i personally think all set items have been ninja nerfed on their drop chance. wouldnt be the first time something like that has happend. also i hear lots of people saying that set items arent dropping from them, even paragon 200's that still havent found 1 piece of their set.
farm shards with your main ,spend on alt problem solved !
most people have already left to archage and destiny and other games.
ArcheAge = P2W really really bad model if you ask me.
Destiny = A grinding game and people are complaining about an "exploit" that somewhere in the game there is a lot of mobs to kill to get loot. Every act in Diablo 3 got that kind of place where mob density is better than some other place in the game and where some mobs can spawn continusly.
I'll stick to Diablo even if I don't like that new feature. Thank You.
i agree but other people dont see it like that, half my guild quit, went to do greater rifts at 8:55 pm pst and there were only 33 games i got into the same game with a lvl pargon 67 like 15 times even though i waited a minute or two. and isnt that what this games all about right now? greater rifts? yet theres 33 groups only playing at near prime time. i like diablo, but we all have to face the music all the exploits and major changes like these scare people off and now i barely have any one to play with. i hate that archage is pay to win, but a lot of people just dont care and would rather play a game with exploits that result in the ban hammer and not just o well whatever.theres so many other problems, i like the game a lot but it really needs work, most of this should have already been worked out in the ptr but really wasnt. i honestly doubt most of the people that left will even come back after this season. i enjoy the game still somewhat, but i know like 80% of my guild just vanished and its hard to get into a decent public game, and i think that alone should speak for itself. sure you can get into a game, but usually everyone leaves after just a few rifts cause people are getting bored. and sure you can defend blizzard saying its a free game, but it wasnt, it was $40.00. i think even more when it first came out, and they still sell copies every patch. since more people are leaving, less people are joining. this results in poorer devolopment and patches imo. i think not having seasons for monthes after Ros came out made a lot of people quit also.
disreguard this, after seeing the what blizz did to trials im gonna go play archage, rather play a game thats pay to win then one thats ok to exploit and make major changes that ruin the game mid season.
farm shards with your main ,spend on alt problem solved !
thats a terrible idea, shards are almost completly useless man, ive spent over 100,000 blood shards this season and havent got shit. maybe 4-5 set items, so 1 set item every 20,000 blood shards? i'll take my chances clearing rifts. btw theres a reason why it says there is only 24 games on t6 at 8:44 pm pst, its because people dont wanna put up with all this bullshit, exploits, and terrible specs/ 1 spec per class. most people have already left to archage and destiny and other games. also greater rift density is terrible and greater rifts are a joke being complete luck. have a demon hunter level you keystones and hope to get lucky. it was a joke from the start with the leveling to 70 with no kill t 6 bounties.
In my experience and i am not exaggerating, i find anywhere from 1-7 legendaries in a rift, even more if you clear the whole rift. sure sometimes you have a dry run, but you usually get at least 2. ive recently been searching for the ahkan's set for crusader, ive spent 14500 blood shards and counting and have gotten absolutly nothing, and thats just an example. ive been getting nothing from kadala all season, and now they nerf kadala in less then half the legendaries and set items. to me i think kadala needs a bigger buff considering you arent getting as many items so are more likely not to get anything.
ive spent 7000 blood shards today and have gotten 3 legendaries. and thats good? thats 14 rifts, you can get like 25 legendaries if you just cleared the rift.
lol you guys are complaining about a t 6 item at best, greater rifts is what the game is about, and ive got a lightning immune necklace. so yes i do consider that best in slot, you guys are the trolls, find anything to counter someone just to try to be right. i did uninstall the game after findinf out barb was completly useless in group play in higher greater rifts unless you supported the group and did dick for damage. i gave my friend the account, now we share it, people switch ammy's all the time for t 6 and then greater rifts. why in the hell would i wear a lightning immune neck for t 6 when it doesnt do shit in t 6? real smart. maybe its you guys that need your brains checked out.
also people are pretty much being forced to keep gear in thier invintory because people use different gear for t 6 and greater rifts AND trials. so yes, its not unheard of to accidently salvage an item. hell ive even seen people sell their botmless potions to the vendor all the time...i dont see the difference besides something that says you need to click ok, which im soooo used to doing because 99% of legendaries are junk.
and like i said, i play the game and do different things and on different toons, i always wear different gear and swap gear and so does my friend. do you really think im gonna find all new gear for my crusader just because i dont wanna move the gear from my barb? yeah that would be realllll smart.
you guys are just dodging the issues and facts im providing and saying i dont have gear because you spend hundreds of hours to do less then half the damage then any other class, unless your raekor, and in that case you cant even really play in a group in high greater rifts. i think its funny, you know i acctually kept my gear on for 1 whole day so everyone could see while i made this thread, you expect me to do that for over a week? then you sir are a derp. not to mention my fire gear is better, turns out ice is just a better spec. go figuere.you guys will find anything to try to prove me wrong, its kind of sad. what next? im paragon 520 and thats to low? im sure you guys will come up with something else, i dont care, i dont even play barb anymore and neither does my friend. the class is terrible for group play.saying you got to greater rift 42 with a barb in your party doesnt mean a thing, your warcry probably helped more then your damage did. and because they're shrines in the game, its not like thats even an accomplishment. what you got lucky so all of the sudden barbs are good? its more like conduits are good and so are shielding pylons.
id love to see you get anywhere near a rift boss at 40 +, he'll kill you in 1 shot from just being in his pressence while the rest of the group kills it.
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proof diablo is dying "actually already dead nearly" because of exp exploits and changed to trial mid season and poor mob density and pylons in rifts...not saying the should remove pylons mid season. im saying it should have never been there to begin with, same with bad mob density and zombie skelton rifts. and btw i even tested these numbers, joined a game, left, waited 30-45 seconds rejoined. same game over and over again. and even regular rifts are bad at night dropping below 200 people. you might say..well..200 people is playable. but the thing is most of those games are full, so with low numbers like that you will keep getting in the same game over and over again.
sure you can say but i have friends to play with, but what happends when theres an even bigger change mid season? or another BIG exploit they dont fix? then even your friends might quit..most people already have.
im not trying to bash diablo, im trying to bring attention to the problems they've made and show you the consequences to make the game a better game.
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http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f244/Dz1028/Torment1.png torment one 7 people....7 PEOPLE!
proof diablo is dying "actually already dead nearly" because of exp exploits and changed to trial mid season and poor mob density and pylons in rifts...not saying the should remove pylons mid season. im saying it should have never been there to begin with, same with bad mob density and zombie skelton rifts.
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ive spent 7000 blood shards today and have gotten 3 legendaries. and thats good? thats 14 rifts, you can get like 25 legendaries if you just cleared the rift.
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also people are pretty much being forced to keep gear in thier invintory because people use different gear for t 6 and greater rifts AND trials. so yes, its not unheard of to accidently salvage an item. hell ive even seen people sell their botmless potions to the vendor all the time...i dont see the difference besides something that says you need to click ok, which im soooo used to doing because 99% of legendaries are junk.
and like i said, i play the game and do different things and on different toons, i always wear different gear and swap gear and so does my friend. do you really think im gonna find all new gear for my crusader just because i dont wanna move the gear from my barb? yeah that would be realllll smart.
you guys are just dodging the issues and facts im providing and saying i dont have gear because you spend hundreds of hours to do less then half the damage then any other class, unless your raekor, and in that case you cant even really play in a group in high greater rifts. i think its funny, you know i acctually kept my gear on for 1 whole day so everyone could see while i made this thread, you expect me to do that for over a week? then you sir are a derp. not to mention my fire gear is better, turns out ice is just a better spec. go figuere.you guys will find anything to try to prove me wrong, its kind of sad. what next? im paragon 520 and thats to low? im sure you guys will come up with something else, i dont care, i dont even play barb anymore and neither does my friend. the class is terrible for group play.saying you got to greater rift 42 with a barb in your party doesnt mean a thing, your warcry probably helped more then your damage did. and because they're shrines in the game, its not like thats even an accomplishment. what you got lucky so all of the sudden barbs are good? its more like conduits are good and so are shielding pylons.
id love to see you get anywhere near a rift boss at 40 +, he'll kill you in 1 shot from just being in his pressence while the rest of the group kills it.