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i just had a thought, i want an opinion on that.I saw a tweet of wyatt cheng that troubled me.-> https://twitter.com/candlesan/status/782301114221809665

Diablo 3 was a 2012 game but hearthstone is a 2013 game at least. The sign was there i assume before hearthstone revealed.It was a small hint.The next day we got a hint via overwatch that cain lives.Perhaps in this year blizzcon we might see an expansion for D3 that has an act 6 in which a task is to save cain ... again. I say that because of a post at Diablo facebook page https://www.facebook.com/Diablo.eu/?fref=ts POSTED 20 OCTOBER !!! I just said that . Perhaps i say shit. We will see in 2 days .

It is possible.

We clearly cannot save him, but we can save his soul, and maybe something could happen where Tyrael becomes an angel again, with a new body mightier than Imperius, and Cain can use Tyraels body as a vessel. This allows the Horadrim to rein eternal.

It would be a way for Tyrael to help keep the issues at bay, both demons and the nephalim.

Regarding the tweet, That looks a lot like one of the portions of a map in Act 2 where there are bone walls surrounding the path to the center where a chest is located. You open the chest and skeletons attack. However, I do think that these cain lives comments may shed light on the future of our game, and though I understand my scenario is extreme, I do not think trying to save Cain's soul is extreme.

How about this? We save Cain's soul and he becomes the new aspect of Wisdom!!

Ok, I'll bite. I can think of several reasons

- They have not finished the story in RoS, it's blatantly left open doesn't even have an ending cinematic. That's not like them at all, they are too polished for that.

- Adding to that, why would they spend an entirely new game devoted to events after RoS? They've said it before this is going to be wrapping up this saga in the Diablo universe

- If they are just starting a fourth game right now, do you honestly think people are going to hold out for years on just seasonal updates? Doubtful to me.

- Money, lots of money. If the options are expansion and fourth game, why only choose fourth game? That's leaving money on the table, money they know they can get from our crazy fanbase.

I haven't posted in a long time on this site, mostly lurk around, but it's fun to speculate so I thought I'd give my two cents:

I think first off the second expansion is already in the final stages and will be shown at either Gamescom with more details at Blizzcon or just at Blizzcon. They are now hiring for the next game in the series to start work on that. The expansion will conclude Diablo III and leave enough open for D4 to be bridged to. I've read people theorizing another class being released between now and the expansion, then a final class for the expansion which I think would be cool and a nice way to keep us happy until the second expansion.

I think the areas will be

Skovos - already have a bridge of it being mentioned from RoS, would make sense as a starting point for the next expansion

Ureh - since this acts as a bridge between both Heaven and Hell and it can tie into putting Leah's soul to rest. Also back during the original announcement of D3 they already had cinematics for Ureh, which leads me to believe it was already fleshed out just never put in.

Personally I think Inarius and Lilith will be a part of this storyline. The Nephalem have grown way too powerful. I could even see Imperius aligning with them since he hates the Nephalem so much. I think Tyrael will also struggle with his decision in supporting the humans/nephalem or possibly succumbing to corruption himself, after all don't forget he is human now.

I fell to my knees and wept...

I wonder if maybe the online aspect would have vendors carry items that other players sold to them. Say you pick up something and don't want it; sell it to the vendor and someone else buys it, then the gold gets transferred into the other players account. Kind of like an auction house, but without having crafted items and stuff, more like just directly buy.

I would sincerely like to help; I thought maybe you guys were done with everything already. Even though the format was changed I originally did the axes. I guess in a few hours I will start doing whatever unique pages are left....

11 rep points i thought only those that left messages counted, whoops

OK I get what you're saying with that...that makes sense. Yeah the buildings are really weathered; of course they are in an area that has been exposed to the elements. Here's how I look at that though, they will do a lot of that little touch up stuff later...like I know I read somewhere about them already making the dungeons more dirty and filled with cobwebs, etc. I understand where you're coming from though and it's a valid point. My thinking is that they are more concerned, at least the stages we've seen, with fleshing everything out first then going back and adding little detail touches. That's how I would do it anyhow..don't know if that's really how game design works...anyone??

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Lol:

Dang dude, you almost made me sh*t myself, I seriously (for a split second) thought you were being serious...LOL

Hopefully we can get the 1.13 patch up on a PTR in the next few weeks! :thumbsup:

BTW: Thanks for the credit

Check out this amazing Monk wallpaper my brother John Pearce made! imo it might as well have been made by Blizzard.

Here's the widescreen resolutions:
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And the fullscreen resolutions (for those of you who live in 1990):
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Alright, we tally 4/5 now so the question either on the edge, boiling over or safely nestled in the back of everyone's minds is, whats left?

Well thats exactly what this threads about. There are many theories going around already so I guess I will recap them quickly here first (not to mention name them mwhahah):

Last Man Out: This theory goes as follows, there currently exists a straight up Melee character aka mega man himself, The Barbarian. - Good covered
Next there should be a purely magic class, just like every single other game, and we got the Wizard. - Check
Every single Diablo fan cries out to the heavens for their beloved necromancer and voila, you don't get him but... you get this crazy dude with equally nutty spells instead (Common... Zombie wall? Zombies throwing up spiders? You know you love it.) The Witch Doctor. This character has summons, though not its focus as previously stated, curses and a bunch of mumbo jumbo to fill in the roll as a mysterious character. - Great
Every Diablo game had its flare of Holy, but after the shame of the WoW Paladin they were unfortunently whiped out of existance... But dont worry kids we got a killer substitute with, The Monk. This man with his big bushy beard reaches a top speed of 250km an hour, sure to leave a heavy dent on colission but be carefull, seatbelt not included. Holy character out to rid the world of evil as is his duty, can mix up a nice holy spell but without the frailness of a priest, sure to put his fist down for what he believes in. - Nice
What else could there possibly be next? Obviously the last character has to involve some sort of ranged specific class.

**sorry for being long winded X-X**

2nd theory
Gotsta Be a Rogue: Generally this theory revolves around the idea that the last class has to be a rogue because making a ranged class is too predictable and therefore is out of the question. You know because a Barbarian, Wizard, and a Monk are really unique. This theory has another flaw being that the rogue has been previously featured in the first diablo though one could point out that skills were not exactly class specific in that game so there wasn't much rogue-y-ness involved and it could be recycled. *Note: the monk from hellfire doesn't count because the expansion was not made by Blizzard it was made by Sierra and as such is not recognized as an official expansion, by me or Blizzard.*

And more theories but im writing way more then i thought i would.

Anyhoo to start this discussion off, I would like to re-iterate a concept previously discussed in some threads which involves the race of the current characters. More specifically though I would like to focus on the Cultures. As per this momment there are no characters who share a cultural backround remotely close with one another and neither was this the case in the previous installment aswell. This leads me personally to believe that the final character will aswell come from a unique background, comparatively to the other characters.

So, to FINALLY start off this discussion a few primer questions;
1. Thoughts of what said so far
2. Any knowledge of the lore in the areas suggested which would point to any certain type of people, culture or faction that comes to mind
3. Any other theories or ideas which you would like to suggest
4. Your personal selection for the last class and reasons why

.... And now i shall hold my peace for a while, lol

*EDIT* Oh forgot to mention that i personally see potential in the Skovos Isles though if the character hailed from the dark and mysterious Dreadlands I wouldn't argue either. Also removed the map because as pointed out there were some assumptions made in its creation lol. Though i still believe the cultural theory will still stand, hopefully >.>

Oh yes! It appears that one of the features planned for the new patch (1.13) is a skill respec function:

Quote from "Bashiok" »

Skill tree re-specialization is currently a planned feature for the Diablo II 1.13 patch, yes.

Source: http://forums.battle.net/thread.html?topicId=19110021662&sid=3000

I know we have a couple of threads about the remaining classes but I was wondering about lore, more specifically where will they come from. I don't care what type of class but I want guesses on where their origins will be.

One of the classes has to be from kehjistan. It's a huge empire and a character has to come from their.

I am unsure of the last class. The entire north east of the map is unused so far but this is where the druids come from and there will not be a returning druid, at least not yet. The WD has the southern part covered. There are the skovos isles but this is where the amazons are from and like I said earlier, no returning classes. Xian Sai is covered by the wizard. I doubt if anyhting is coming form the dreadlands and the barb already has old mt arreat covered. This leaves pretty much the west side of the map or more noticebaly Westmarch. Possibly even a younger character who has been raised in New Tristram.

So long story short my guesses are Kehjistan/Caldeum and Westmarch/New Tristram

Considering there isn't even any background music, i doubt the sounds are finished. Not to mention that the health globe pickup sound has been addressed and confirmed as changed by Bashiok a while back, so yea, i think a lot of the stuff is probably placeholder, not to mention the game in general will seem much more tense and not as... empty with background music.

So, I just saw the closed thread about people crying "Diablo 3 is becoming WoW". I personally don't share that shallow belief with anybody who has it. I personally do not like the approach the last post had, for all it did was complain about people's complaining. Instead of creating a post to mimic that tactic of QQ prevention, I have decided to create an informative list of facts and concepts to debunk the myth that "Diablo 3 is becoming WoW".

• First thing is first, the high majority of WoW's mechanics were taken from Diablo 2, improved upon, and tweaked to work more for an MMO.

• The only real things Diablo 3 and WoW have in common (that were not borrowed from Diablo 2 in the first place) are the Auto-stat system, respecs, dynamic combat UI, item tranfers (such as shared stash), and more use of color.

• The Auto-stat system is not necessarily being stolen from WoW. WoW was actually going to let you choose your stats in the beginning (much like Diablo 2). However, the developers decided that for both Diablo 2 and WoW, the only real purpose of choosing stats was to break your character. Instead of implementing a stat respec as many games have in the past, they just decided on the auto-stat system. If WoW never existed, we would probably still have auto-stats.

• WoW was not even close to the first game to have talent respecs. Many games came up with this system because they found that it was too easy to break your character. Many people also wanted to be able to play around with skills without having to reroll (which many people, including Blizzard, saw as a hassle and flaw in Diablo 2). Because of this, Blizzard implemented respecs into WoW. Even if WoW never existed, we would probably still have respecs.

• WoW's UI style is probably one of the best things that will ever happen to Diablo. No longer will we be limited to our left/right mouse buttons; we now have the ability to make our combat significantly more dynamic without having to switch skills before using them. In no way or form is dynamic combat a WoW signature, everybody these days wants more dynamic combat for these kinds of games. Even if WoW never existed, we would probably still have this UI.

• Diablo 2 always gave us the ability to share items between our own characters in multiplayer (thus allowing for twinking and muling), it was just a big hastle having to go through another player (or a second account) to do so. WoW, being an MMO with modern technology, easily fixed this issue via their mailing system which allowed for additional player-to-player item transfer as well. Blizzard plans to allow us to share items between characters not because it was was in WoW, but because it is more convenient and is less risky than trusting another player (as people would do anyway if the item sharing issue was not fixed). Making you go through another player just to share items with your other characters leaves a lot of room open for griefing, something Blizzard intends to cut down on in Diablo 3. The only way to truly prevent item sharing in Diablo 3 would be to make all items "soulbound", thus adding to Diablo 3's similarities to WoW and destroying the trading aspect of Diablo. If WoW never existed, we would still either be getting item sharing or doing it the old fashioned way.

• Many people have taken one look at the signifigantly little amount of Diablo 3 content Blizzard has released, and immediatly state that the color scheme is becoming less "gothic" and more like WoW. The first thing you have to realize is that when going from 2D to 3D, that same classic Diablo 1 and 2 style no longer works as well as many would like it. WoW has nothing to do with that. The second thing one must realise is that all we have seen are the early parts of the game. Also, 99% of Diablo 1 took place in inside environments. The first three acts of Diablo 2 were absolutely full of color, especially the new outside environments. Diablo 3 needs color even more than Diablo 2, and so far they have did a pretty good job of it. None of this has anything to do with WoW. Lastly for color, that old and ugly "green hue" everybody sees in the WWI Gameplay Video (that many have comlained about specifically) is dead and gone. As of Blizzcon 2008, the Cathedral looks as it does in this video: very dark with warm lighting, using the green hue in 2 appropriate places linked to King Leodric to make it look spooky. As one can see, Diablo 3 now seems to really be stepping up on the "dark and scary" factor in comparison to what we have seen in the past.

As you can see, I have spent a lot of time thinking upon this subject. I hope this post has brought light to many of the issues that still (somehow) exist within the community in regards to Diablo 3 becoming too much like WoW. All facts about the developers and their decisions (such as WoW origionally having stat-choice) have all been confirmed via Q&As, Video Interviews, and other random WWI/Blizzcon Videos. Please pass this information to anybody who still believes that Diablo 3 is becoming too much like WoW so we can all move to a new era of intelligent belief. Thank you for your time.

*Sigh* This is going to be a long ass post. So bare with me.

My initial reation to this thread: "Good news, seems like they are really going at every aspect of the game, but I'm sure as hell that a bunch of immature people who make a living out of jumping to conclusions and critisizing will load the thread with retarded ass comments."

So I then took the liberty of writing a post that explained in greater detail why this didn't affect the customizability of the game whatsoever. And as always, the less then pleasant hate mongers didn't even stop to read it, or to try to understand what the thread implied.

The only thing that got through their thick skulls and rather empty heads was "HOLY SHIT THEY ARE REMOVING SOMETHING!, THIS IS BAD! Let's spam retarded nonsense to protest"

Here is some of the retarded nonsensical shit that they spew out in a matter of minutes, and that I will gladly refute for them.
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Majpain

Very Lame if you ask me.
Its almost their trying to force you to play as a pure caster but bringing in skill runes to diversify things but the only thing is its going to create is there will be 1 rune that goes with a skill that is OP and every build will use it.
Blizzard needs to change their way of thinking.

It's almost like your trying to pretend that you read the full explanation by Bashiok saying that the caster will be able to weild a ssword n shield, just not a 2 handed 200 pound maul or battle axe. So no, your comment has absolutely no meaning.

There might be spells that eventually down the line will be stronger than others in certain situations, but that's just normal, name me a game that doesn't have a relatively near OP situation. 2, even if they did allow weapons like D2, some spells might still end up OP, or weapons, so it has absolutely nothing to do with the subject, your just crying over nothing once again and making up excuses to do it.

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Darkligen

absolutly agree with this. My strongest diablo 2 character was a necromancer and oddly enough his weapon was a maul. i just never thought that the class weapons had enough stat boosters to compensate for their weakness.
The only way that i think that the extra focus on the new rune skill would be as good and probably better than the weapon thing would be if there was as much diversity in the runes as there are in weapons...doubt it but im keeping my fingers cross.

I absolutely love this post, haha

1, this is what i had posted even before darligen came on, that in D2, the only time you saw someone using a necro wielding a maul was because he needed the stat boost for his specific build. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that it's a maul. Only stats.

And second, with all the OP and OMFG builds that came up on D2, it's histerical to see this guy pretend his build was any good. I mean cmon, what was it, a summoner? a bone spell spammer? Whatever it was, I'm sure as fuck that you never killed nothing maybe apart from a Normal difficulty act 1 fallen with the maul itself. It was all about the skills, which is what Blizz is improving.

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SFJake

All I'm saying is, Bashiok doesn't deserve any credit for his comment. Sweet, he's talking to the community, but his text is there for nothing. A few lines would be saying the same thing.

Lol, I love this guy, I even got a couple of his quotes....:D

Yeah your absolutely right SFJake, that's why u come on here every day praying that Bashiok gives us news worth talking about. He really should listen to you, I mean even with his very detailed explanation on this subject he managed to lose you after the Title Line, It must be his poor communication skills......

Its no way as excessive as he says it is, unless their engine is so badly designed. According to him, it would mean even CUTTING some other features out. This sounds pretty ridiculous to me. I do understand that it takes -works- and all that, but he's pushing it.

If I didn't know better, I would say that you actually knew a tid bit about game designing, seeing as you don't, at that's about as obvious as f*ck, then why don't you try and make a gaming engine for them that's up to your standars...

And honestly, alot of things might sound rediculous to you SFJake, but let me tell you what's rediculous to me (apart from your ramblings). Waiting even longer than I already have for D3 just because they need to implement thousands of different 3D modeling so that your retarded ass WtichDoctor can swing a Giant Battle Axe just so you'll feel better.

Get the point?

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scyberdragon

The comment that "it is too time constraining when they could be spending that time on more important things like skill rune effects" only reiterates my fear that fear that weapons are loosing their significance.
I don't want to do the whole WoW vs Diablo converation but...
In WoW your weapon was more for stats to boost your spells more than the weapons itself. You would almost never auto attack it was spell after spell after spell.
In D2 your auto attack was still viable and necessary meaning your actual weapon was still necessary for more than its stats. I am afraid weapons will just become stat boosters like an amulet or helm. IMO in a DPS game weapons need to take main stage over spells. Spells should supplement your attacks not replace them as I am afraid they are doing.
Please dont get rid of "auto attack" hack/slash means weapons with spells not spells instead of weapons.

I do admit this post made one or two valid issues that could be a source of discussion...

But still, you are totally off basis if u think that weapons ever mattered for casters when they didn't. Caster only ever cared about 2 things ; + to skill and cast rate. (and some other spell damage booster) The only chars that ever worried about damage were obviously non casters (barbs, pally zonz, etc.) But then again your point is invalid because you never saw a barb wielding anything but weapons that will still be able to use in D3. Don't try to tell me that a barb would need the attack power of a fucking staff or crossbow. Or that your sorceress ever fucking used a thunder maul to hit something... Weapons still will have the exact same role, which is to offensive chars , provide damage and some stats, and to casters, provide stats. Period.

Don't "OMG my barb can't use his crossbow, weapons must not mean shit anymore".
Please.

scyberdragon

am not talking necessarily about damage. I guess I mean more of the sort that your relied on your auto attack in D2 for a lot of your damage where in WoW even the Warrior spammed his spells. Faster attack speed and damage are just more stats. I know this sounds contradictory but I am having a hard time getting my point across. It is just that auto attack and simplicity was a part of D2 and your weapon mattered. You could beat the game on normal without even putting a single point into a spell. Maybe thats a broken/bad feature but it made Diablo, Diablo.
I have a lvl 70 enhance shammy ( I stopped playing soon after WotLK). So I do understand a weapons importance. it is just that in WoW I worried more about getting a new spell than a new weapon. where as in Diablo I focused more on getting a new weapon than spells. Maybe it is just me. I just feel that weapons>spells in diablo (excluding hammerdins) where in WoW spells>weapons. Of course to casters it usually was just a stat booster but even with my sorc I was more excited about getting a better staff than finally being able to cast blizzard (is that wierd?). Maybe because the spells were set but the itme drops were randomized. Maybe in my own head it has nothing to do with game play and significance as much as I was happier to luckily get this better item that I might not have otherwise.IMO I don't want to get the most excited about a rune drop compared to a weapon. I don't want to be "ALRIGHT!! another multi-strike rune.. ohh and a better mace." I want "ALRIGHT!!! a better mace and look a rune I can use."

First off, WTF is this auto attack shit your talking about???:confused:
There is a swing action (attack) and a skill, then a spell. Stop with the nonsense.
Second, what you just said is contradictory, your abolutely right on that. Third, it doesn't matter what you used to beat the game on normal since it's not what kept people playing for 9 years. People didn't play Single Player for more then a few months at best.

The magic of Diablo was item find, Dueling, trading, and leveling to 99. Nothing to do with this subject. And if you actually stop and listen to yourself, "im more excisted in finding the staff of my sorc then the spell". Why do you think you needed that staff? uhhh skills and stats..... And why are you even talking about staffs ans sorcs since casters will still be able to use them..... Maybe if u said, I was more excited about my sorc finding her new battle Axe, then it would of been to the point, and you would of actually had a reason to be worried cause they wont be able to wield them anymore. but no.

Basically what your saying is you like Magic FInding..ok good for you, I do too. Let's move on to the actual thread ok.

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Musica

I think I'm going to miss "anything goes" weapon customization on characters. I know that most people don't play these types because they aren't really competive character builds but I remember when I first got Diablo 2 and my brother decided to play too.
He made a Paladin and would alternate between using a sword and bow/crossbow. It actually worked quite well for the time he used it although he got bored of the game by Act 3 Normal and quit. Anyways, I always thought what he did was sort of nifty and I'll be sad to see it gone. It was a pretty impractical feature I guess but it was still pretty fun. And not to mention, it also helped make the game just a little more immersive

Here we go, someone who actually has a reason to complain. He is one of the many who liked the lolz factor from the wierd ass and near useless off builds. Your bro had a good reason for quitting, if you made me go through D2 with a pally holding a crossbow, I would of quit much sooner than him. I give him props for even lasting that long. Im sure however, no, not sure, fucking positive that if he ever tried going further, would of eventually got to the point where he realized he couldnt kill shit anymore, and would of restarted a new char with proper build and weaponry. So is that why people are complaining, wanting blizzard to enable this useless shit to amuse people until act 3? I'de rather they give us another cow level instead of this useless nonsense, cmon guys....

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Majpain

I'm just not a fan of Restrictions like that.

I feel your pain brother, it's such a heartbreaking loss for all Diablo fans. Let's mourn together.


Last but not least, the funniest of all dumb ass posts of this thread.

Quote from "LordRayken" »

Oh heres a good fucking idea, Blizzard.

How about spend your time DEVELOPING EVERY SINGLE ASPECT of the game anyone could ever want, rather than going...

"LOLZ WE'RE LAZY SO IF WE DEVELOP CLASSES USING EVERY WEAPON IT'D CUT INTO OTHER FEATURES."

MAN!! what an amazing IDEA! why didn't I think of that before, make everything perfect for EVERYONE!!!! Sure, after your sorry ass complaints it's inevitable that people will be coming on wanting Blizzard to change the characters for Homosexual Players, so that they can choose to wear pink Bras on their Barbarians, and not just on their sorceresses.

I mean according to LordRayken, Blizzard can DO ANYTHING!!!! Don't believe me, look at this

Quote from "LordRayken" »

Dont you have the resources to do WHATEVER you want and take as long as you want?

haha, classic.

Quote from "LordRayken" »

All I can see is a Diablo 3 less like the previous Diablo's and more like World of Warcraft and Activision. This is complete crap.

Your right, this is complete crap. You should just stop coming here since it's such a letdown, you'de save the website some bandwith. Do us a favor.

Quote from "LordRayken" »

Edit:
Bashiok's conversation translated -

"We're taking out more stuff in Diablo 3 that made Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 great."

Wow, that's some amazing translation. You must be over qualified for this kind of work....
However your point of view is very good for your budget. Seeing as D1 and D2 was so great and D3 will suck so much. You can just go out RIGHT now and go reinstall both games a start playing. Look on the bright side, you won't even have to wait so long like the rest of us.

just went on blizzblues.com and this just came up.

http://www.blizzblues.com/us/113-patch-the-myth-the-legend-18031060417.html

i am going to read it right after i post this.