" Perhaps they should just allow you to fully outfit your characters within the first month of playing so that you'll get bored with the game and stop playing then?"
Why do people keep repeating this above statement all the time? People were able to finish gearing their characters in Diablo II comparatively easily, they didn't simply quit afterwards, but started over again with new characters.
If you have to stop people from being able to progress with their characters in order to keep them playing, you're doing something horribly wrong.
Let me just add that the absolutely disgusting attitudes of some of the people posting in this thread are why the majority of people will never post a word. This thread is about Diablo 3 discussion, not about tearing people down for discussing the game.
I don't understand this forum... A few fans dictating how everyone feels, and if someone disagrees with you, you tell them to shut the F up?
Are you blind? Do you not see the distraught? The disappointment? The lack of fun? The community outcry?
Have you seen the official forums lately?
If you guys are satisfied with the way the game is now, it will never change.
There are many things that need to be fixed and changed in d3 for it to be on the same level as D2.
While you pacifists continue to sit back and say the game is fine the way it is, there will be hundreds more voicing their opinions trying to push this game to its full potential.
I don't go on the official forums because 99% of the threads are people like you complaining about not getting instant gratification with items.
If you're distraught, disappointed, not having fun, and crying.. here's a solution. quit the damn game. Short of someone holding a gun to your head telling you to play, what gives?
I'm not satisfied with the way the game is, but I make constructive posts that actually spur debate, I don't just bitch about how much shit sucks without giving any sort of solutions or ideas to make the game better. You've given 1 solution and a half ass solution. PVP, sadly they won't be doing much with this as skills and damage output is totally off the walls and will make PVP really retarded.
End game? I dunno if you've played diablo before..but you are playing the ''end game". The game has been out a little over a month...A MONTH!
If you want to voice your opinion, do it in a manner that doesn't scream "I WANT INSTANT GRATIFICATION" all over it.
Edit: I'm totally dead serious to bro!
Let's be realistic. How many actual full hours of grinding rifts do you think is acceptable between reasonable upgrades? 10 Hours? 20 Hours? 30 hours? Let's call a reasonable upgrade +1% of one of the three basic stats (Damage, Toughness, Healing). That 1% must be gained without losing any value on the other two stats, because otherwise it becomes a sidegrade at best. Example: +1.1% damage, +/-0.0% toughness, +/-0.0% healing.
I've run rifts for 3-4-5 days between upgrades this small! Overall my personal loot experience has basically been abysmal.
Overall the loot curve just sucks. When you're wearing garbage for the first 30-40 hours, the loot pace is actually really nice. You're getting significant upgrades every few hours and the feeling is great. You imagine every Leg drop you see could be exactly what you're after, so you think to yourself that you just have to put more work in and reach out and grab it.
Then you hit the wall. Your chances of getting a significant upgrade disspate before your eyes. You begin to hope only for reasonable upgrades (as I laid out above). Over time you go 10s of hours at a time or more without seeing anything even remotely usable.
The OP certainly isn't wrong, and all the fanboys getting in a line to piss on him because they lack an ounce of empathy is just sad.
YOu know, I've got maybe 7 green items, and two of those ARE Balck Thornes, but they're ok coupled with three "old" Blackthornes on the same character WITH a Glory, I get good elite damage/mitigation and it's not my main, but it helps.
Got a Danetta's, a Wailing ring, few other items, two more Glory's too, but I play more than the avergae player (totally guessing) but I also play solo alot, so who knows if it's better/worse. I don't, and I don't care. I just like to play...
Awesome thanks for sharing.
Indeed luck is on your side with a few good set drops, i'm happy to hear it.
I'm not sure if playing solo had anything to do with it though... Cheers.
There are those on here, with the narrow sighted opinion, that providing a more conventional path to success in this game (i.e. not based on luck, but rather on challenge and equal reward) will somehow:
"Ruin the longevity of the game", because in their minds, people who are able to gear out super quickly (a week, two, or three) will lose interest in the game.
Yet, they continusly ignore the fact that with the current system, people can and do gear out super quickly, those players frequently come into the forum to make "Loot drops are fine" posts, and Blizzard clearly thinks this is ok, since we don't see them running to those players accounts and stripping them of their gear.
So this create a huge fallacy on these boards, between the players and Blizzard.
On one hand we have players that get T6 geared quickly, due to their luck and Blizzard not acting on their accounts, they and Blizzard see gear drops as "fine." But what they are really saying, is that gearing out in T6 after a few weeks, is fine.
On the other hand we have players that can't get anywhere past T2 because they haven't had any luck with drops and must grind and grind and grind for marginal upgrades. These players don't think that gear drops are fine, and want some way to control the luck of the drop and get out to T6.
The already T6 geared players, somehow, see this is a problem. As if the players who aren't lucky with drops and get stiffed by the RNG constantly are "playing the game wrong" or deserve to be stuck thanks to lady luck.
It's a big problem, Blizzard's continuous ignoral of the problem is creating a schism between players.
I don't understand this forum... A few fans dictating how everyone feels, and if someone disagrees with you, you tell them to shut the F up?
Are you blind? Do you not see the distraught? The disappointment? The lack of fun? The community outcry?
Have you seen the official forums lately?
If you guys are satisfied with the way the game is now, it will never change.
There are many things that need to be fixed and changed in d3 for it to be on the same level as D2.
While you pacifists continue to sit back and say the game is fine the way it is, there will be hundreds more voicing their opinions trying to push this game to its full potential.
As "Diablofans" you should be doing MORE to see this game succeed instead of patting each other on the back and praising the devs.
(To the forum moderators. Sorry if this post isn't very positive. Its not a troll post, this is just how my friends, some of the community, and I feel and we need to express ourselves and hope to one day be heard / considered by the D3 devs)
This post isn't all about me but more from a partial community perspective as a whole.
I'm dead serious when saying this...
1. You need to add some form of trade / ah / hub trading ASAP!
2. Or you need to fix your RNG pool and add in alternatives in finding loot (specific items) (class sets)... ect
3. I'm tired of farming rifts all day everyday just to find the same 2 hander, the same belt, the same ring OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!
4. I can't find any good legendaries, I can't find any class set items, I can't find any game changing legendaries! I can't find any orange text legendaries! And there is no way to trade for them, or trade among my friends : /
5. My friends list is now empty, my clan has disbanded!
6. This game is turning into a total bore, a disappointment, a depression! Some get lucky while others fade off into existence...
7. Please fix your game! Especially the social aspect / trade / RNG / progression process / itemization!
8. Add PVP! Add ladders! Add some form of endgame! Add something besides rifts!
9. Stop nerfing things, stop taking away things to do! Instead buff things, add things!
10. Thanks for hearing us out! I hope together we can improve the game!
(I'll add one of my previous reply's to this post)
There are those on here, with the narrow sighted opinion, that providing a more conventional path to success in this game (i.e. not based on luck, but rather on challenge and equal reward) will somehow:
"Ruin the longevity of the game", because in their minds, people who are able to gear out super quickly (a week, two, or three) will lose interest in the game.
Yet, they continusly ignore the fact that with the current system, people can and do gear out super quickly, those players frequently come into the forum to make "Loot drops are fine" posts, and Blizzard clearly thinks this is ok, since we don't see them running to those players accounts and stripping them of their gear.
So this create a huge fallacy on these boards, between the players and Blizzard.
On one hand we have players that get T6 geared quickly, due to their luck and Blizzard not acting on their accounts, they and Blizzard see gear drops as "fine." But what they are really saying, is that gearing out in T6 after a few weeks, is fine.
On the other hand we have players that can't get anywhere past T2 because they haven't had any luck with drops and must grind and grind and grind for marginal upgrades. These players don't think that gear drops are fine, and want some way to control the luck of the drop and get out to T6.
The already T6 geared players, somehow, see this is a problem. As if the players who aren't lucky with drops and get stiffed by the RNG constantly are "playing the game wrong" or deserve to be stuck thanks to lady luck.
It's a big problem, Blizzard's continuous ignoral of the problem is creating a schism between players.
I can progress into T1 easily with rares and some random buffet of legendaries the game gives me...
I can't, however, play the game like I want with the EQ set or Tal's Set or any other set for that matter.
The question is: At what point can I play the build I WANT rather than the one that is given to me?
The answer to that question should scare most....but MOST don't care or are lucky with their drops.
It is impossible to balance RNG...one can simply put some controls on her to keep her going in the right direction.
Once Blizzard understands this, a lot of us will be happier...If Blizzard ever understands this.
Why do people keep repeating this above statement all the time? People were able to finish gearing their characters in Diablo II comparatively easily, they didn't simply quit afterwards, but started over again with new characters.
If you have to stop people from being able to progress with their characters in order to keep them playing, you're doing something horribly wrong.
+1
Lucky players will have endgame gear in days or week, while others grind till they quit or give up and still don't get items they need.
Does not matter if you play 2 hours or 12 hours a day, we are all Bingo players in this game
I've seen many posts regarding the blackthorne drop rate over all other sets... Its crazy that soooooo many people have this problem.
Awesome thanks for sharing.
Indeed luck is on your side with a few good set drops, i'm happy to hear it.
I'm not sure if playing solo had anything to do with it though... Cheers.
"Ruin the longevity of the game", because in their minds, people who are able to gear out super quickly (a week, two, or three) will lose interest in the game.
Yet, they continusly ignore the fact that with the current system, people can and do gear out super quickly, those players frequently come into the forum to make "Loot drops are fine" posts, and Blizzard clearly thinks this is ok, since we don't see them running to those players accounts and stripping them of their gear.
So this create a huge fallacy on these boards, between the players and Blizzard.
On one hand we have players that get T6 geared quickly, due to their luck and Blizzard not acting on their accounts, they and Blizzard see gear drops as "fine." But what they are really saying, is that gearing out in T6 after a few weeks, is fine.
On the other hand we have players that can't get anywhere past T2 because they haven't had any luck with drops and must grind and grind and grind for marginal upgrades. These players don't think that gear drops are fine, and want some way to control the luck of the drop and get out to T6.
The already T6 geared players, somehow, see this is a problem. As if the players who aren't lucky with drops and get stiffed by the RNG constantly are "playing the game wrong" or deserve to be stuck thanks to lady luck.
It's a big problem, Blizzard's continuous ignoral of the problem is creating a schism between players.
Are you blind? Do you not see the distraught? The disappointment? The lack of fun? The community outcry?
Have you seen the official forums lately?
If you guys are satisfied with the way the game is now, it will never change.
There are many things that need to be fixed and changed in d3 for it to be on the same level as D2.
While you pacifists continue to sit back and say the game is fine the way it is, there will be hundreds more voicing their opinions trying to push this game to its full potential.
As "Diablofans" you should be doing MORE to see this game succeed instead of patting each other on the back and praising the devs.
This post isn't all about me but more from a partial community perspective as a whole.
I'm dead serious when saying this...
1. You need to add some form of trade / ah / hub trading ASAP!
2. Or you need to fix your RNG pool and add in alternatives in finding loot (specific items) (class sets)... ect
3. I'm tired of farming rifts all day everyday just to find the same 2 hander, the same belt, the same ring OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!
4. I can't find any good legendaries, I can't find any class set items, I can't find any game changing legendaries! I can't find any orange text legendaries! And there is no way to trade for them, or trade among my friends : /
5. My friends list is now empty, my clan has disbanded!
6. This game is turning into a total bore, a disappointment, a depression! Some get lucky while others fade off into existence...
7. Please fix your game! Especially the social aspect / trade / RNG / progression process / itemization!
8. Add PVP! Add ladders! Add some form of endgame! Add something besides rifts!
9. Stop nerfing things, stop taking away things to do! Instead buff things, add things!
10. Thanks for hearing us out! I hope together we can improve the game!
(I'll add one of my previous reply's to this post)
There are those on here, with the narrow sighted opinion, that providing a more conventional path to success in this game (i.e. not based on luck, but rather on challenge and equal reward) will somehow:
"Ruin the longevity of the game", because in their minds, people who are able to gear out super quickly (a week, two, or three) will lose interest in the game.
Yet, they continusly ignore the fact that with the current system, people can and do gear out super quickly, those players frequently come into the forum to make "Loot drops are fine" posts, and Blizzard clearly thinks this is ok, since we don't see them running to those players accounts and stripping them of their gear.
So this create a huge fallacy on these boards, between the players and Blizzard.
On one hand we have players that get T6 geared quickly, due to their luck and Blizzard not acting on their accounts, they and Blizzard see gear drops as "fine." But what they are really saying, is that gearing out in T6 after a few weeks, is fine.
On the other hand we have players that can't get anywhere past T2 because they haven't had any luck with drops and must grind and grind and grind for marginal upgrades. These players don't think that gear drops are fine, and want some way to control the luck of the drop and get out to T6.
The already T6 geared players, somehow, see this is a problem. As if the players who aren't lucky with drops and get stiffed by the RNG constantly are "playing the game wrong" or deserve to be stuck thanks to lady luck.
It's a big problem, Blizzard's continuous ignoral of the problem is creating a schism between players.