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Quote from pmpch

class	lvl	prec	% crit	formel
Barb	1	9	3	= 0.33333 * 9
Barb	2	10	3,25	= 0.325 * 10
Barb	3	11	3,26	= 0.296 * 11
Barb	4	12	3,19	= 0.266 * 12
Wiz	9	31	3,62	= 0.1167 * 31
Wiz	9	26	3,03	= 0.1167 * 26
Wiz	10	33	3,23	= 0.09775 * 33
Wiz	10	28	2,74	= 0.09775 * 28
Wiz	10	53	5,18	= 0.09775 * 53
Wiz	10	75	7,33	= 0.09775 * 75
Wiz	10	70	6,84	= 0.09775 * 70
DH	11	51	4,2	= 0.0824 * 51
Wiz	11	33	2,72	= 0.0824 * 33
Wiz	13	87	6,16	= 0.0708 * 87
WD	13	70	4,96	= 0.0708 * 70

Source: German D2 board

These are the crit formulas for some levels 1-4, 9-11 and 13.

Quote from PiousFlea

Another thing we are unsure of is if there are any hard caps or diminishing returns thresholds. I suspect that kind of info will only become available once people are at level cap though >_>.

Good point. Although, if there are good uniques equippable at a low level (like a diablo 3 version of sigon's set) it may be possible to test out Armor cap with lowbies. (since it takes less Armor to get the same % damage reduction at low levels)

Say you liked the Wizard and wanted to figure out the Min/Max stats. Going off armor you could make guesses, and stats at level 13 in Beta, but it won't be close and highly prone errors.

I feel the proper way to do this is:

1) Take down the stats of the "naked" (no armor on/ no self buffs / no player buffs for each level; 1-13.

2)Take down the stats of the "NOT naked" (WITH armor on, +stats only / WITH self buffs, +stats only / With player buffs, +stats only for, each level; 1-13. Will explain why bellow.

3) The change in +dmg, +crit, +crit dmg, etc. Basically a screenshot of the character sheet (for each of the above).

4) Lastly, a note of which stats go up, at which levels, by how much, from levels 1-13. This is to see if there is a trend that can be taken and projected to level 60.

The reason for the two different stats above is two-fold:

A) Gives a bare character stat increase, like the 4th note above, gives us a starting point for figuring out which ability is better, rather than the end point of the ability itself.

Someone made a note on the forums about this. They said a beta tester noted that there seemed to be a diminishing returns on gaining more of a stat (like WOW). While this isn't anything ground breaking, in the sense that it hasn't been done before; this is the reason for the second recording.

The diminishing returns will most likely be small per each level, but will only be detectable if you have a rather LARGE amount of a stat going from level to level to level. Also, DR may not take effect till Level 10, 30, or not, but must keep in mind while doing this.

Example:

Say at level 10, 15 crit rating (I know bad WOW ref.) = 1%crit
and at level 11, 17 crit rating = 1% crit

At level 10 you have say 15 crit rating, therefore you have 1.000% crit
at level 11 you have the same 15 crit rating, therefore you have 0.882% crit

but taking better gear to bump up, (for better accuracy):

At level 10 you have 32crit rating, therefore you have 2.133% crit
at level 11 you have the same 32 crit rating, therefore you have 1.882% crit

"Okay so bigger number, bigger percent crit, but still apples and oranges..."

Yes you are correct, but that's not what I am worried about, it's the percent error. Remember, for this and all stats we don't know that lv10, 15=1% and lv 11, 17=1% so here's the end result

15 / 1.000 = 15.000
15 / 0.882 = 17.006

32 / 2.133 = 15.0023
32 / 1.882 = 17.003

Taking the fact with more crit in the second set of numbers,you get a much closer number to 17 (all be it small) but it proves the point.

So this is why I said point 1-4 matter; a quick proof that,will only be proven more as the rating to percent increases get more exaggerated (if DR is in D3) at higher levels, with max gems and runes.

Quote from Daylesan

Nice post, thank you.

With some more measurements we could try to reverse engineer the formulas behind armor, precision and defense. If anyone feels like doing this I have some ideas on how to proceed.