Beyond any speculation on Diablo III, I believe this absolutely hits the mark. Since Blizzard clearly hints that the player's character fights angels at some point, I think it's probable that it will be revealed that Diablo is the puppeteer in this scheme, allowing him to transform his army (or at least instruct it) in a way that will allow it to quickly end the Sin War with Heaven's destruction, leading into an expansion or (more probably) a final act. If Diablo literally takes the body of a Nephalem, however, there may be one chance to beat him at his own game.
The only way to completely banish a soul is to imprison it within a Soulstone and smash it on the Hellforge, which may be some sort of pinnacle of reality or spiritual border with the Abyss. One thing commonly overlooked, however, is that Tyrael just threw his sword into the Worldstone after performing some sort of ritual. Perhaps it was just enough to remove Baal's corruption and temporarily put the Worldstone out of service, with Tyrael telling everyone that he was going to destroy it in order to keep Hell or even Heaven from knowing his plans? The hero (or Tyrael) could retrieve Tyrael's sword, find some way to reverse the ritual and reform the Worldstone, and Diablo (trapped in his Nephalem form), as well as his entire army (if they, too, were somehow imbued with Angelic properties) would be severely weakened. Ultimately, Diablo would be slain beneath Tristram (perhaps somewhere else, but I'm saying this for poetic justice) one more time, banished back to Hell along with his army, and assuming all portals to Hell are closed, the Amazon prophecy of humanity being free of the influence of angel and demon may just come true.
It will be inevitable to fight angels yes, but there is now no way of banishing a soul from the mortal plane, since The worldstone is gone, the line between the Dimensions is weakened
Consider this a religious debate, though I commend your ability to argue over semantics, nothing here is provable so don't bother looking for solid evidence.
i have a feeling that diablo will evolve from tyrael..even on this pic of tyrael u can see spikes similar that diablo has instead of the wings..
yes people say that Tyrael will be the new host for diablo, therefore allowing for diablo to manifest again into the mortal world, hell diablo might become a Nephalem allowing an exponential growth in power
I think that Tyrael = Diablo
1. do you remember who was the guy with the robe in D2 cinematics.. and what it become?
2. Blizzard is constantly promoting Tyrael - look the D3 site, WoW etc. You now... the best place to hide something is ... in front of us. /I think that after the release of the game, pushing the gem "button" on diablo3.com will trigger the change of the picture above: from Tyrael to guess who? The lord of terror/
3. It will be silly to constantly revive and resurect diablo with each new release of Diablo franchise. So the story team just picked up different characters... like Baal in LOD. I think it is Tyrael on the line.
However it will probably be like in the "american" movies - the good will have to prevail... so at the end Tyrael will find the force /with the help of the GAMER/ to push it away and by killing himself to finnaly destroy Diablo... till Diablo 4 when it will be resurected by a group of shamans :)))))))))))))
He doesnt get "revived" Diablo was always alive, his mortal forms are killed, but never his soul
(Prince Albrecht and the Dark Wanderer)
on a bit of sidenote, im believing to think that the prime evils are invincible
On a personal note, I really hope they don't go that direction with Tyrael. I love his character and I hope he remains to be the helpful yet rebellious Arch-Angel that he was in Diablo II. Also, I would never want to fight him, he's one true badass. I think it's pretty safe to say he had the Wanderer (Diablo) defeated until Marius stupidly released Tal Rasha to help.
"Fool! You can not even begin to imagine what you've set in motion this day."
I love that line.
err i think this is better
"Stop! The beast contained here in shall not be set free, not even by you."
1. He did imitate Tyrael's angelic form, even though it was only briefly.
2. This one is really just open to interpretation, I can't argue it.
3. Again, whether or not the denizens of Heaven are omniscient or not is hard to argue.
4. This is true, I wasn't really arguing intervention so much as trust, but I see your point. Though I could just as easily ask you why he didn't simply portal out with Marius and take the stone himself, preventing Marius from doing something stupid again.
5. If you watch Baal's death you'll notice several soul-like objects leave his body in a torrent and enter the Worldstone, shortly after the cavern begins to crumble signifying it's corruption. Tyrael once again displays is uncanny ability to be right on time.
Impressive, Indeed my friend again neither of us is either right or wrong, which makes this arguement wide open.
And yes, i have to say Tyrael has the strangest ability to arrive right on time if not late
:offtopic:btw i never got to play D2 LoD, I never even got to finish D2 lol, just reached the last quest with my level 26 paladin
Sorry if I repeat anything, but 65 pages is a bit much for me to skim through...
I am also unaware of anything written in the books so this is just a guess based on the game's lore.
I've never really considered him capable of turning even though Tyrael has done some pretty shady things:
1. His image is easy to replicate, as Baal proved, making his true identity uncertain. Who is to say this is the real deal.
2. His fight with the wanderer seemed rehearsed. Not only did the wanderer survive an assault from the Archangel himself, but miraculously dodged his sword in the process. I know the wanderer walked quickly but I hardly consider him in the condition to avoid the attacks of a master swordsman such as Tyrael. Marius had just enough time to remove the stone from Tal'rasha's chest before Tyrael intervened. The speed Tyrael displayed could have easily prevented Marius from releasing Baal as well as put Diablo through several walls.
3. Tyrael is forbidden to intervene in act 4. Evading heaven's sight for 3 acts seems unlikely.
4. Trusting humans he thinks are incapable of protecting themselves. Earth, similar in many ways to the world of Sanctuary, is described in many texts as a purgatory, an effective border between heaven and hell. Soulstone's in the world of Diablo 2 represent containers that allowed the prime evils to manifest on this plane of existence. Tyrael entrusted Baal's Soulstone to Marius, a mortal who walked with Diablo's vessel. If Tyrael believes this man can walk into Hell, retrieve the mallet from Hephasto, crush Baal's soulstone and withstand the influence of the lord of terror himself why did he even bother to intervene at all?
5. The Worldstone. All these events lead to Baal's extremely successful siege on Mount Arreat and even though Baal reached the Worldstone he waited for the hero by it's portal. Remember it is not until Baal's death that the Worldstone becomes corrupted, convenient that a hero should arrive that can best him in combat. Tyrael appears immediately after Baal's death and informs the hero that the Worldstone must be destroyed with little explanation as to what it does and what will happen when it is destroyed. One could venture a guess that, if the soulstones work in a similar fashion, the Worldstone may effectively contain Sanctuary concluding that if destroyed this plane would become a bridge between Heaven and Hell.
(Side note: Harrogath was barely touched when the hero arrives due in part to the aptly named Nihlathak's betrayel to "protect" it. If Nihlathak gave the artifact to Baal to save the town, why was he protected by hordes of demon's in a multi-level dungeon? Perhaps Baal left the town untouched for his own reasons and gave Nihlathak power for the artifact. As I recall Nihlathak had been on the brink of insanity after the death of his peers)
Now, Tyrael could also be an unwitting puppet who became overwhelmed by the events that took place. The only Divine being in Sanctuary is cut off from Heaven's aid and may have bitten off more than he could chew.
Thoughts?
Please merge this with my previous post (i dont kno how to put 2 quotes at 1 reply)
for 1: yes he was easily replicated but not his angelic form, only his mortal form (displayed at Marius' Asylum)
for 2: even Tho diablo was weakened at his state he began to regain power (you can clearly see it when he walks in the large chamber and he begins to lose his humanity), And when marius was about to pull out the Soulstone he must've noticed it right in the middle of it and was preoccupied with diablo
for 3: the Angiris council must've had enough of Tyrael interfering with mortals, it is possible tho that he slipped past heaven's sight when he appears in the ending
for 4: he HAD to intervene if he didnt teleport Marius to the entrance when he pulled out Baal's soulstone chances are they could've catched up to him (since tyrael loses his connection to the mortal plane right after Baal disarms him)
for 5: i would think that death of a prime evil unleashes corruption and evil, Baal might've had some spell going on and he had to keep the player busy while the spell slowly corrupted the Worldstone, but for some reason whenever you manage to defeat him his goal is accomplished and the worldstone is corrupted, and with tryael appearing suddenly i would think that he was alarmed to feel (i dont know how) that the worldstone was corrupted
I think its very possible that tyrael is evil. His face is always shady and never shown, he is going against heavens wishes, destroyed the worldstone and much more. Possible that he was doing this for good reasons but hes a mysterious character, which makes him suspiscious.
1: he had no choice, he had to destroy the Worldstone
2: he is going against heaven's wishes for good, hell if he obeyed them Sanctuary would be a staging area for hell now
Yeah, that's discussed in some of the books, too, I think. It's something like Inarius wants Sanctuary to be very ordered, which would eliminate free will and such, and he hates humans because they're so random and free-willed, and that's why he wanted to kill them in the first place (which he was never able to accomplish because of the Angiris Council and Tyrael's sudden intervention, I believe), but instead settled for secretly corrupting the Worldstone to bring the former Nephalem state of mankind to lowly and mortal/weakened humans. Something like that. Anyway, I think that's why he fights for the humans and Sanctuary, because the rest of the Angiris Council is passive about the whole Sanctuary ordeal besides him.
doesnt Inarius just want the humans to be lowly worshippers?
Since there are 50+ pages and I do not want to read them all, I do not know whether or not this has been discussed already.
Falling Meteor Theory: They both come from the "heavens". That's pretty much it. This actually does have some backbone, but it is not the most convincing piece of information.
Fake Soulstones: I do not think so. Smacking down some false stone on the hellforge, in my opinion, would not result in all the gems (and rune, in LoD), nor would it trigger the effects shown in Diablo II.
Was there anything else? This does, in all, seem to be a plausible idea.
EDIT: What is a Zakarumite?
I agree u with the soulstones
OFF TOPIC :offtopic::offtopic: A zakarumite is a Zakarum priest or zealot or follower
he might, but him becoming corrupted in the Worldstone seems highly unlikely
Tyrael stopped time to tell Marius what has he done, and it wasnt Diablo who disarmed Tyrael, it was baal
It will be inevitable to fight angels yes, but there is now no way of banishing a soul from the mortal plane, since The worldstone is gone, the line between the Dimensions is weakened
think if it like a three-way war for survival, like Starcraft
true, i agree
yes people say that Tyrael will be the new host for diablo, therefore allowing for diablo to manifest again into the mortal world, hell diablo might become a Nephalem allowing an exponential growth in power
He doesnt get "revived" Diablo was always alive, his mortal forms are killed, but never his soul
(Prince Albrecht and the Dark Wanderer)
on a bit of sidenote, im believing to think that the prime evils are invincible
hey if u look closely you can see a bit of a man's face
err i think this is better
"Stop! The beast contained here in shall not be set free, not even by you."
i try but i cant find the game disks lol
Impressive, Indeed my friend again neither of us is either right or wrong, which makes this arguement wide open.
And yes, i have to say Tyrael has the strangest ability to arrive right on time if not late
:offtopic:btw i never got to play D2 LoD, I never even got to finish D2 lol, just reached the last quest with my level 26 paladin
Please merge this with my previous post (i dont kno how to put 2 quotes at 1 reply)
for 1: yes he was easily replicated but not his angelic form, only his mortal form (displayed at Marius' Asylum)
for 2: even Tho diablo was weakened at his state he began to regain power (you can clearly see it when he walks in the large chamber and he begins to lose his humanity), And when marius was about to pull out the Soulstone he must've noticed it right in the middle of it and was preoccupied with diablo
for 3: the Angiris council must've had enough of Tyrael interfering with mortals, it is possible tho that he slipped past heaven's sight when he appears in the ending
for 4: he HAD to intervene if he didnt teleport Marius to the entrance when he pulled out Baal's soulstone chances are they could've catched up to him (since tyrael loses his connection to the mortal plane right after Baal disarms him)
for 5: i would think that death of a prime evil unleashes corruption and evil, Baal might've had some spell going on and he had to keep the player busy while the spell slowly corrupted the Worldstone, but for some reason whenever you manage to defeat him his goal is accomplished and the worldstone is corrupted, and with tryael appearing suddenly i would think that he was alarmed to feel (i dont know how) that the worldstone was corrupted
1: he had no choice, he had to destroy the Worldstone
2: he is going against heaven's wishes for good, hell if he obeyed them Sanctuary would be a staging area for hell now
doesnt Inarius just want the humans to be lowly worshippers?
OFF TOPIC :offtopic::offtopic: A zakarumite is a Zakarum priest or zealot or follower