I always thought, from his actions and what he said, that Tyrael was the one angel that realized that isolation from Sanctuary would not solve anything, and that's why he chose to help humanity, because its neutrality kept it from becoming another bloody battlefield for the immortals.
Yeah I agree on that much. Except by interfering with Sanctuary, it'd be a bad move on Tyrael's part to piss off the Council. I believe they agreed in the final vote to let it progress normally and see how it goes instead of the alternative Imperius wanted. I think that's why he TRIES to stay out. I think that destroying the worldstone though was a bad move on his part.
Hadriel though, I'm not too sure what'd up with him. I doubt the demons just sit by and allow a angel to float around all the time. I mean surely that'd be a top priority for a stronger demon to take care of. Maybe there is something suspicious about him :confused:. Or maybe he just was supposed to "appear before you" to warn you Diablo lies ahead or something.
I think the main reason he didn't destroy it was he's supposed to stay out of affairs of sanctuary right? Taking the stone and destroying it, could have released Diablo, also he'd have to go to the Hellforge to break it and truly destroy Diablo, which I'm sure would be a no-no. A angel walking into Hell doing as he pleases.
Still haven't read the last book, just finished the second so I'm just going by what I've heard/makes sense.
I'm unsure of what willing it would do (I haven't read that book) to the stone.
Well...
[spoil]He willed it to make people stronger, asked it to do so, and where as Lilith and Inarius had just changed the effect it had on people, Uldyssian was able to actually change the physical aspect of it.[/spoil]
I don't really remember where I read it, but I thought that mortals are becoming weaker with each generation because of something to do with the Worldstone. Like I said, I haven't read the books. I could be wrong or misinterpreting things.
Well so far as far as I've read, Inarius made the Worldstone to make people weaker. Lilith tweaked it to lessen it's effect to only near Mt. Arreat. And now I just read:
[spoil]Uldyssian willed it to make people stronger, but I'm not sure what effect that had on the world stone yet[/spoil]
Anyway all this happened 3000 years before Diablo 1, so many generations have been created since then. I'll keep reading and let you know the final verdict.
Wait. With the Worldstone destroyed, doesn't that also get rid of the barrier put on the mortal's powers? Effectively making them potentially as powerful as the Nephalem again? In that case, first giving them back their powers and then corrupting them would be a logical thing for the Prime Evils to want to do. And, if it had been succesfully corrupted rather than destoryed, the Heavens wouldn't even be able to find Sanctuary anymore.. Their actions are starting to make sense that way.
I don't know where people are getting the idea the worldstone weakened humans, I haven't quite finished the sin war I'm on chapter 13 now of book two, but when you first read about Rathma he explains that humans now aren't really Nephalem, but they're not weaker either. They've become something more than that, Uldyssian has some powers that Rathma doesn't and Rathma has some Uldyssian doesn't. Uldyssian doesn't even call his group Nephalem anymore, he calls them Erydem. I think they said it means, "One Who Has Seen".
If I can find it again I'll quote it exactly.
Here it is:
Uldyssian: You... you are like us... Rathma: No, I am unlike you or any of those who follow you. I cannot explain, but what you call the "gift" has metamorphosed. There are abilities that I have that you do not just as you bear some I am lacking. I suppose this should not so surprise me since I am from the very first generation birthed on Sanctuary...
Also this little tidbit from Trag'Oul:
Rathma: You said he was too weakened by her to do this! Trag'Oul: He is different! They would all be different! They are no more nephalem than you are human! They are more-
Ah after researching about it some more it seems Inarius had originally dampened the powers of the Nephalem, but Lilith altered the world stone to allow humans to regain their powers. Uldyssian is one of the first to start surfacing his power.
But the Sin War took place 3000 years before Diablo 1. So people should have no problems with getting powers back, worldstone or not by that time.
Oh in I think Scales of the Serpent (just read this part the other night) it said that the worldstone doesn't shield it but keep it hidden and the demons have known about it for a long time thanks to Lilith. Or something like that. It's in the first 10 chapters when Mendeln is talking to Rathma and Trag'Oul.
Well, what else could they have done? I mean, they can't launch news saying "Look! We changed three lines of text over at this site here under one specific monster."
No I don't expect that, my point is though, why remove something of a game that's long been finished work on unless it has something to do with the next installment.
What I meant was that I think they are simply retconning their previous stance on soulstones, rather than covering up. That would explain why they are removing text from Arreat Summit that was previously there. However they would not go so far as to actually draw a new model just because they change the story.
Why just withdraw the information though? Unless it's important to D3's story or something they have in the works.
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I don't know that worked exacly though, because obviously Tyrael could find Sanctuary, and tons upon tons of demons that were clearly in Sanctuary long before the Worldstone was destroyed in Diablo II.
Tyrael didn't enter until after the end of the veiled prophet did he when Sanctuary became known to the Council. (haven't finished it yet just seems to be where it's heading)
So maybe that's why Tyrael knew where it was.
Erm, was that directed at me? I never suggested they remake the models. What I was saying is that it seems like they're covering it up to me. Or else why even remove that part of the lore?
Yeah I agree on that much. Except by interfering with Sanctuary, it'd be a bad move on Tyrael's part to piss off the Council. I believe they agreed in the final vote to let it progress normally and see how it goes instead of the alternative Imperius wanted. I think that's why he TRIES to stay out. I think that destroying the worldstone though was a bad move on his part.
Hadriel though, I'm not too sure what'd up with him. I doubt the demons just sit by and allow a angel to float around all the time. I mean surely that'd be a top priority for a stronger demon to take care of. Maybe there is something suspicious about him :confused:. Or maybe he just was supposed to "appear before you" to warn you Diablo lies ahead or something.
Still haven't read the last book, just finished the second so I'm just going by what I've heard/makes sense.
Use the spoil tags by the way.
[spoil] then /spoil
Well...
[spoil]He willed it to make people stronger, asked it to do so, and where as Lilith and Inarius had just changed the effect it had on people, Uldyssian was able to actually change the physical aspect of it.[/spoil]
Well so far as far as I've read, Inarius made the Worldstone to make people weaker. Lilith tweaked it to lessen it's effect to only near Mt. Arreat. And now I just read:
[spoil]Uldyssian willed it to make people stronger, but I'm not sure what effect that had on the world stone yet[/spoil]
Anyway all this happened 3000 years before Diablo 1, so many generations have been created since then. I'll keep reading and let you know the final verdict.
I don't know where people are getting the idea the worldstone weakened humans, I haven't quite finished the sin war I'm on chapter 13 now of book two, but when you first read about Rathma he explains that humans now aren't really Nephalem, but they're not weaker either. They've become something more than that, Uldyssian has some powers that Rathma doesn't and Rathma has some Uldyssian doesn't. Uldyssian doesn't even call his group Nephalem anymore, he calls them Erydem. I think they said it means, "One Who Has Seen".
If I can find it again I'll quote it exactly.
Here it is:
Also this little tidbit from Trag'Oul:
Ah after researching about it some more it seems Inarius had originally dampened the powers of the Nephalem, but Lilith altered the world stone to allow humans to regain their powers. Uldyssian is one of the first to start surfacing his power.
But the Sin War took place 3000 years before Diablo 1. So people should have no problems with getting powers back, worldstone or not by that time.
No I don't expect that, my point is though, why remove something of a game that's long been finished work on unless it has something to do with the next installment.
Why just withdraw the information though? Unless it's important to D3's story or something they have in the works.
Tyrael didn't enter until after the end of the veiled prophet did he when Sanctuary became known to the Council. (haven't finished it yet just seems to be where it's heading)
So maybe that's why Tyrael knew where it was.
I posted that not Genesis!
http://worldofsanctuary.freehostia.com/index.php?address=0101010502
The Awakening.
I guess he attempted to just shatter it and when that didn't work used the largest shard on the boys head.
The cinematic one is:
So looks like they settled for destroyed Mt. Arreat.