Newton was wrong as well as all the other physicists that came after him. He mearly was incapably of understanding the great power that God holds.
And since neither of these is a testable, evidential, or predictable hypothesis it's not a useful or valid theory. It is a belief. And that, is why we don't use beliefs in science.
Your tests ,evidence, and predictable hypothesis is wrong though. So when you speak of gravity you are speaking of a falsehood. You are incapable of running all tests so you can not prove you are right.
Why are some people unable to believe that there is something that can not be explained? Everything can not be proven and it is a waste to attempt to do so.
Prove to me that gravity exists.
The idea that gravity is in every way as unknowable as the assertion of an almighty god is rediculous and a slap in the face to all physicists since newton who helped us form our understanding of gravity and further explain our universe.
Newton was wrong as well as all the other physicists that came after him. He mearly was incapably of understanding the great power that God holds.
Why are some people unable to believe that there is something that can not be explained? Everything can not be proven and it is a waste to attempt to do so.
Prove to me that gravity exists.
We don't need to explain everything, some of us are comfortable not knowing everything or needing to justify everything we don't know with beliefs. If you want proof of gravity, well, you're stuck to the earth and you aren't flying off into outer-space. There are also a host of empirical tests and observations you can make to proof the theory of gravity yourself.
What you call gravity is mearly the power of God's will to keep us from flying away under a set amount of physical restraint.
Do i think you are treated in the correct manner? No, but legal issues are legal issues.
Actually, they are not legal issues. They are religious issues that are polluting our legally secular system and they will be over-turned eventually. I just don't see why more people aren't fighting against them, it would be the christian thing to do as far as you've described it.
I could hold dearly the life of a close friend that is not related to me and I would not be able to visit them in the hospital either if they were in a family only area.
Yes, but you could visit your wife. I cannot visit my husband. That is discrimination for no reason except religious bigotry. You can make all the obnoxious excuses you want, but the relationship I have with another man is the same as the one you share with your wife. We just don't have bilogical children.
To treat everyone fairly is impossible.
Tall people outside of the norm are shunned as are short people.
Only family can visit the patient in the ICU ward, are you legally family? No? Then you can't visit. Who cares if you're gay.
If you were married and listed legally as husband then yes you could visit them. If I attempted to visit my wife in ICU prior to us getting married then I would not be allowed to visit her. This is the legal issue. Emotionally we would be on a similar level and feel we have the right to see our partner, but the legal matter keeps us from it.
Why are some people unable to believe that there is something that can not be explained? Everything can not be proven and it is a waste to attempt to do so.
Nothign is impossible, and if she becomes pregnant at 102 then we will welcome the child.
You stated a purpose of sex as orgasm which you related to health benefits.
Yes I stated the reason and associated it with health benefits. Nowhere did I mention the reason was motivated by the benefits. Something you've failed to grasp.
In any case, you've managed to create an interesting (and implausible) scenario that will guarantee you will have sex all your life.
Just goes to show how much you like it.
Now if you could be as tolerant and non-judgmental towards others, that would be tits.
I do nothing to keep gay people apart. I do not stop them and I do not intend to do so. What you or anyone else does with their lives is of no concern to me. This was a thread to ask for beliefs and why we believe. My morals can not be separated from my religious belief so take my answers as you will. More than one thing created how I think and your lack of faith will not change me.
Also when you do not allow yourself to accept the chance of having a child from sex you are holding something from your partner. Therefore you are nto giving 100% of yourself.
Nekro I would ask that you take more time to read and go over these posts rather than to mearly state that everything people says is wrong.
I am giving you my views which are backed by what I believe is right.
And I asked you why you believed this view to be right. You said it wasn't religious, but I can't help but wonder where you are getting all these stupulations from.
My wife and I chose eachother and you have the right to choose another man. It is the right given to all people. It does nto mean that everyone will agree with you but what does it matter what they think? You should do what you want and what you think it good or right or true or scientifically proven to you. As for me I will serve God to the best of my very limited ability.
Well, it matters what they think because I am subject to denegration and abuse (showcased by your comparisons) on a regular basis by people who hold such beliefs. I already can't marry or form any kind of legal union with my significant other, but they also won't let me visit him in the hospitol, etc. If you're wondering why I care what they think, I have to wonder if you don't know how we're being treated or you just support it and are being sarcastic.
Nothign I say is directly aimed at you and it you take it as such, stop thinking so highly of yourself. I speak in general terms of homosexuality, pedophiles, animal lovers, and murderers.
I do not know you personally on a level that I could speak directly to you about you so there is no reason you should take personal offense to what I say.
I think i'd rather have an apology than a "stop thinking so highly of yourself."
If you dont understand what I say then why would it be my fault that you take insults that are not directed at you. Nor was it even an insult to begin with. So there is no need for me to apologize for your misinterpretation. I don't know you so nothign I say is personally about you.
Noone is treated fairly. Your lifestyle is outside of the norm of society and therfore you are shunned. Do i think you are treated in the correct manner? No, but legal issues are legal issues. I could hold dearly the life of a close friend that is not related to me and I would not be able to visit them in the hospital either if they were in a family only area. Am I now discriminated against due to my lower level of relation with them? I don't think so. That is jsut the way the rules are there.
To call murder a mental problem is to say it is beyond the control of the individual. This would make them innocent of teh crime they committed. That is why I disagree that people are born to make certain choices, if that were the case then anyone could say it is not really their fault for their actions. This would(if it does not come to this eventually) destroy the world. Also if we as a people go to that level I think the annihilation of the race would be for the best.
You know we do have ways of telling which people are insane and we put them in diffirent places than the rest of the criminals? Are we anhillating the human race by puting them in mental institutions intead of gas chambers? I don't think so. Anyhow, what does that have to do with the choice of adult and consenting sexual partner?
Such gloom and doom how horrible of me to say. But I weep for those that do not understand that we all have choices and we should all have to deal with the consequences. Life is not fair and God weeps for us all in our struggles. May the Lord have mercy on our souls.
I can't say I weep for you, but I am not at all pleased that you've thus far compared me to a pedophile, an animal rapist, and now an insane murderer, all on the basis that I have the predisposition to homosexual love with another adult male.
Nothign I say is directly aimed at you and it you take it as such, stop thinking so highly of yourself. I speak in general terms of homosexuality, pedophiles, animal lovers, and murderers.
I do not know you personally on a level that I could speak directly to you about you so there is no reason you should take personal offense to what I say.
Then please enlighten me as to what the purpose of sex is if it is not two reproductive organs atempting to take an egg and a seed and fertalize that seed to bring forth a new life. What purpose is there to sex then that does nto just simply lie in "I wanna do it cause it feels good"?
Didn't I already address that in my former post? Ok, just for you-
1.Sex as an act of intimacy symbolizing the bonding, trust and love in the relationship.
2.For zee orgasm(there are so many actual health benefits for this one, some disadvantages too to be fair).
3.For children
I would say number 2 should be the top one but since we are talking about 'relationship'...
How is tehre true trust and love if you are nto willing to give yourself 100% to the other person, this means to welcome the chance of having a child. I see sex as a very serious matter as something only two people should ever do with eachotehr when they decide to spend the rest of their lives together to have children and raise them under the proper teachings of God. Sex outside of this serves no purpose in the grand scheme of life.
You don't need orgasms to stay healthy. Any exercise will do so sex for that purpose is invalid. Though I don't deny the pleasure in the action, it is not the purpose of the action.
Did I say you NEED orgasms to stay healthy? Please point it out to me. You are grasping at straws bud.
You don't get to decide when sex is valid or invalid when it doesn't concern you and is fully consensual.
How do you equate 'giving yourself 100% to the other person' with 'welcoming the chance of having a child'? This is deeply illogical.
What happens after menopause? Will you stop having sex with your wife because you could not possibly be giving yourself a 100% when there is no chance of having a child.
Nothign is impossible, and if she becomes pregnant at 102 then we will welcome the child.
You stated a purpose of sex as orgasm which you related to health benefits.
Also I did not say that heterosexuals can have sex with whomever they want to either. The desire of most heterosexual males is to have sex with multiple women. But I do not take the choice to do this and I do not condone that choice either. For myself the only woman I have ever been intimate with is my wife and there was never anyone before and there will never be anyone after.
Ah, but you chose your wife. You are attracted to women. I cannot choose a husband, though I am attracted to men. That isn't saying anything about how monogamous I am. For all you know I've had the same partner all my life too.
I did not say you were not monogamous, I just dont think anyone can have sex with whomever they choose. I am giving you my views which are backed by what I believe is right. My wife and I chose eachother and you have the right to choose another man. It is the right given to all people. It does nto mean that everyone will agree with you but what does it matter what they think? You should do what you want and what you think it good or right or true or scientifically proven to you. As for me I will serve God to the best of my very limited ability.
To call murder a mental problem is to say it is beyond the control of the individual. This would make them innocent of teh crime they committed. That is why I disagree that people are born to make certain choices, if that were the case then anyone could say it is not really their fault for their actions. This would(if it does not come to this eventually) destroy the world. Also if we as a people go to that level I think the annihilation of the race would be for the best.
Such gloom and doom how horrible of me to say. But I weep for those that do not understand that we all have choices and we should all have to deal with the consequences. Life is not fair and God weeps for us all in our struggles. May the Lord have mercy on our souls.
Then please enlighten me as to what the purpose of sex is if it is not two reproductive organs atempting to take an egg and a seed and fertalize that seed to bring forth a new life. What purpose is there to sex then that does nto just simply lie in "I wanna do it cause it feels good"?
Didn't I already address that in my former post? Ok, just for you-
1.Sex as an act of intimacy symbolizing the bonding, trust and love in the relationship.
2.For zee orgasm(there are so many actual health benefits for this one, some disadvantages too to be fair).
3.For children
I would say number 2 should be the top one but since we are talking about 'relationship'...
How is tehre true trust and love if you are nto willing to give yourself 100% to the other person, this means to welcome the chance of having a child. I see sex as a very serious matter as something only two people should ever do with eachotehr when they decide to spend the rest of their lives together to have children and raise them under the proper teachings of God. Sex outside of this serves no purpose in the grand scheme of life.
You don't need orgasms to stay healthy. Any exercise will do so sex for that purpose is invalid. Though I don't deny the pleasure in the action, it is not the purpose of the action.
Homosexuality is not a choice? It is a genetic predisposition? I guess I would have to say I disagree with science and before you start it can not prove me wrong.
Here you go. One of many other articles disussing the genetic and evolutionary nature of homosexual tendencies. They are most certainly not choices and I can tell you without any doubt that I never "chose," to be gay.
I don't disagree that one may be born with homosexual desires but when they act upon those desires they are making a choice to do so. Another way to put this is that I can understand if a person is born with a sexual desire to be with young children, but they too have the choice to act on these desires or not to. Nothing can cause us to make choices without our own will. Even genetics do not control how we act. There is always a choice.
So you're saying everyone born gay should be abstinent? You're free to have sex with the people you want to, why shouldn't we? We're genetically and evolutionarily predisposed to our traits. Try having 20/20 vision if you require reading glasses. Impossible? Yes. Same for me and finding a woman physically attractive. I do not have that capacity. I am physically incapable of it. That isn't a choice, and I don't know why you're inferring it to be a choice. Did you choose to be what color or gender you are?
I don't really understand how you can argue, since this isn't a choice, that we should choose not to act on our sexual desires. That seems arbitrary. I was pretty certain you said a few posts up, that your judgement of gays was not based on anything religious, but here you are telling me for no good reason I should just not have sex with other men. For what purpose am I to contain my sexual urges (which is unhealthy for anyone, hetero or not)?
The reason is procreation is impossible for you and another man, therefore the purpose of sex between you is void. I don't condemn or damn you for your choices but I do stand by the fact that they are wrong. A physical trait is different from a mental issue(not saying it as a mental defect). Our physical make up is chosen for us but our mental actions are our own.
I did not say it would be easy for you to have sex with a women and I do not say that you should have sex with a woman but I see no purpose you should have sex with a man. It of course is your choice and I will not attempt to stop you in what you wish to do as long as it does not directly endanger myself or my family(though I see no way that it would). There have been gay people that end up living with someone of the opposite sex and having children as well. Perhaps they are not 100% happy and would rather feel the touch of someone from the same sex. Again the desire can be there but it is our choice to act on it. And due to my beliefs we shoudl refrain from it.
Also I did not say that heterosexuals can have sex with whomever they want to either. The desire of most heterosexual males is to have sex with multiple women. But I do not take the choice to do this and I do not condone that choice either. For myself the only woman I have ever been intimate with is my wife and there was never anyone before and there will never be anyone after.
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They do seem to cling to some of the more traditional methods of christianity. But crazy is relative to the person you ask.
Ther is basis to the belief you just dont believe it. No problem though
Your tests ,evidence, and predictable hypothesis is wrong though. So when you speak of gravity you are speaking of a falsehood. You are incapable of running all tests so you can not prove you are right.
Newton was wrong as well as all the other physicists that came after him. He mearly was incapably of understanding the great power that God holds.
What you call gravity is mearly the power of God's will to keep us from flying away under a set amount of physical restraint.
To treat everyone fairly is impossible.
Tall people outside of the norm are shunned as are short people.
Only family can visit the patient in the ICU ward, are you legally family? No? Then you can't visit. Who cares if you're gay.
If you were married and listed legally as husband then yes you could visit them. If I attempted to visit my wife in ICU prior to us getting married then I would not be allowed to visit her. This is the legal issue. Emotionally we would be on a similar level and feel we have the right to see our partner, but the legal matter keeps us from it.
Prove to me that gravity exists.
I do nothing to keep gay people apart. I do not stop them and I do not intend to do so. What you or anyone else does with their lives is of no concern to me. This was a thread to ask for beliefs and why we believe. My morals can not be separated from my religious belief so take my answers as you will. More than one thing created how I think and your lack of faith will not change me.
Also when you do not allow yourself to accept the chance of having a child from sex you are holding something from your partner. Therefore you are nto giving 100% of yourself.
Nekro I would ask that you take more time to read and go over these posts rather than to mearly state that everything people says is wrong.
If you dont understand what I say then why would it be my fault that you take insults that are not directed at you. Nor was it even an insult to begin with. So there is no need for me to apologize for your misinterpretation. I don't know you so nothign I say is personally about you.
Noone is treated fairly. Your lifestyle is outside of the norm of society and therfore you are shunned. Do i think you are treated in the correct manner? No, but legal issues are legal issues. I could hold dearly the life of a close friend that is not related to me and I would not be able to visit them in the hospital either if they were in a family only area. Am I now discriminated against due to my lower level of relation with them? I don't think so. That is jsut the way the rules are there.
Nothign I say is directly aimed at you and it you take it as such, stop thinking so highly of yourself. I speak in general terms of homosexuality, pedophiles, animal lovers, and murderers.
I do not know you personally on a level that I could speak directly to you about you so there is no reason you should take personal offense to what I say.
Nothign is impossible, and if she becomes pregnant at 102 then we will welcome the child.
You stated a purpose of sex as orgasm which you related to health benefits.
I did not say you were not monogamous, I just dont think anyone can have sex with whomever they choose. I am giving you my views which are backed by what I believe is right. My wife and I chose eachother and you have the right to choose another man. It is the right given to all people. It does nto mean that everyone will agree with you but what does it matter what they think? You should do what you want and what you think it good or right or true or scientifically proven to you. As for me I will serve God to the best of my very limited ability.
Such gloom and doom how horrible of me to say. But I weep for those that do not understand that we all have choices and we should all have to deal with the consequences. Life is not fair and God weeps for us all in our struggles. May the Lord have mercy on our souls.
How is tehre true trust and love if you are nto willing to give yourself 100% to the other person, this means to welcome the chance of having a child. I see sex as a very serious matter as something only two people should ever do with eachotehr when they decide to spend the rest of their lives together to have children and raise them under the proper teachings of God. Sex outside of this serves no purpose in the grand scheme of life.
You don't need orgasms to stay healthy. Any exercise will do so sex for that purpose is invalid. Though I don't deny the pleasure in the action, it is not the purpose of the action.
The reason is procreation is impossible for you and another man, therefore the purpose of sex between you is void. I don't condemn or damn you for your choices but I do stand by the fact that they are wrong. A physical trait is different from a mental issue(not saying it as a mental defect). Our physical make up is chosen for us but our mental actions are our own.
I did not say it would be easy for you to have sex with a women and I do not say that you should have sex with a woman but I see no purpose you should have sex with a man. It of course is your choice and I will not attempt to stop you in what you wish to do as long as it does not directly endanger myself or my family(though I see no way that it would). There have been gay people that end up living with someone of the opposite sex and having children as well. Perhaps they are not 100% happy and would rather feel the touch of someone from the same sex. Again the desire can be there but it is our choice to act on it. And due to my beliefs we shoudl refrain from it.
Also I did not say that heterosexuals can have sex with whomever they want to either. The desire of most heterosexual males is to have sex with multiple women. But I do not take the choice to do this and I do not condone that choice either. For myself the only woman I have ever been intimate with is my wife and there was never anyone before and there will never be anyone after.