Let's just all agree to disagree here. Because, lets face it, nobody is gonna change anybodies opinion and no matter how long this debate goes on one side is always gonna think the other side is wrong.
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There's 2 consequences of a debate
A ) You change your opinion
B ) You defend your opinion properly.
So far it is not A and looking towards B but most people going for B are failing at it.
the hardest thing to change is someone else's opinion.
briefly looking over what has been said it sounds more like philosophy and religion.
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There are hormonal spikes that come many forms in biology, many which are small enough that they are not even worth talking about seriously. The most important hormonal spike comes in adolescence, which is why I only brought that one up.
it was all okay until i read this.
if you really understood, youd know why youre wrong again right there.
as it pertains to the current off-topic topic of this, it fits, but just know that, generally, that statement is wrong.
When my hormones are raging, I like to look at porn, because I know I won't find myself banging 3 hot blondes anytime soon, and video is better than my imagination. Hormones play a part, you of all people here should know that.
it increases sexual desire (reproduction!), but not desire for 3 hot blondes, that parts psychological.
and im sleeping now.
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Umm... I know what I'm talking about... The fact that you are trying to get really technical about this and "smash" my thinking using my general assumptions that no one with any sort of logical brain would take that sentence to any sort of "debate" is... well... you know
If you want to get technical about hormonal spikes and the life cycle, then we can, but for now, let people respond to what I said without all this "getting technical" nonsense because it is just wasting time.
its not really getting technical at all. its just correcting your mistakes - if you knew what you were talking about, then would you have really made that elementary mistake? twice?
and meph. WTF why quote me? i said nothing about freedoms and w/e im sticking to the subject about science.
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some of you are attempting to justify extreme, hardcore stuff based on biological concepts, which frankly, dont make sense. for one, the "introduction" of testosterone is there even before birth. i suggest you catch your mistakes otherwise you make your case even weaker.
I apologize for making an assumption that people would assume that I meant the first main hormonal spike.
I require proof of your hypothesis that hardcore porn screws with people's minds before I can take it seriously. Simple words are not enough.
once again, the first main hormonal spike is prenatal.
and what hypothesis did i make? all im saying is that if you try to explain things, you have to at least understand what you are talking about.
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some of you are attempting to justify extreme, hardcore stuff based on biological concepts, which frankly, dont make sense. for one, the "introduction" of testosterone is there even before birth. i suggest you catch your mistakes otherwise you make your case even weaker.
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Why wouldn't pastors get paid to spread their b.s.?
Also, Christianity did get a lto less strict, in some areas, in other areas they are just as bad as ever.
because for some reason doing something allegedly righteous by spreading the gospel and getting paid for it? thats like superman charging a fee everytime for saving your arse, it just doesnt seem right. yeah i understand he needs to make a living, but by supposedly teaching others to be selfless and to be free from envy and greed, yet charging a fee? seems contradictory...
...and yes, i know theres contradictions in the bible.
and on the whole, new testament is much less strict than the old. now, instead of devoting our lives to the Lord, we just have to accept Jesus as our savior to get into heaven
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yeah i dont go to church anymore when i figured out pastors got paid to do their job, i mean wtf? that goes against almost everything i was taught in sunday school...
thankfully Christianity got a lot less strict over time.
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really theres no need to get emotional for this. i like science but at the same time i go to a church group some thursday nights.
ive just been stating things that ive been taught or read about; i dont think im qualified enough to make my own groundbreaking, earthshattering revelations...yet
biologists have a job, and our job is to unravel some of the secrets of nature, in doing so we come up with all sorts of ethical/moral and philosophical dilemmas for ourselves but thats for the politicians to worry over.
but trust me, next time i get sick ill goto the doctor and ask him if i have a soul before anything else, otherwise i might not be alive, and he wouldnt have to, you know, do his job.
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My question stands. a) How does any of that prove it's alive; b)why is any of that necessary for life.
a) it fulfills a definition, one that most people accept, regardless of whether or not you do.
organisms need to do something that distinguishes it from dirt and debris. going back to (a).
all those things i mentioned above that life can do, makes it quite extraordinary. perhaps even evidence for the existence of some divine creator, after all, the odds were against us heavily.
edit: lol b ) makes it into a sunglasses smiley.
bacteria can respond to pain. they squirm around and run like crazy from flames. but i dont think you can recognize this as real pain anyways; youre going into some scifi philoso-blabbery that has nothing to do with biology
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bacteria are more alive then rocks, simply because they have compounds that are essential to metabolism.
How does having metabolism magically makes you alive? Maybe metabolism is just a function of biological machines. I just can't understand where biologists get that.
and, biologists, with our definition of life, do not state that life began with bacteria. once again...old textbooks and 8th grade biology strikes!
This is college biology, although the specific organism may not have been bacteria, some other junk maybe. Low level junk, bacteria or not, doesn't matter to me. Liphi... lipho... phillies... something.
8th grade biology or not, are the requirements of life (reproduction, growth, metabolism, homeostasis, etc.) accepted by the "cool" smart biologists? If yes, my argument stands. If not, never mind, but they seriously need to change the program then, because that's completely unnecessary.
And you're contradicting yourself.
"bacteria are more alive then rocks, simply because they have compounds that are essential to metabolism."
Then you say life did not start with bacteria. And from what I know, the assumption is, it started with some low level organism. Bacteria is just the word I know but long story short you take a bunch of chemical chains that behave a certain way and call it life because it does.
And how can something be 'more' alive? It's either alive or it isn't.
i dont see how theres any contra. it most likely started with a single celled organism, some ancient relative of archae, but the word bacteria is the wrong one to use. thats why youre confused. biologists are now less concerned what the actual organism is nowadays, but more interested in what it did and how it did it; whats it made out of.
as for the definition of life, i simply said metabolism because we are going into a very complex subject. if i showed you a gel depicting early known autocatalytic nucleic acids and how over time, they increase rate and fidelity, would you understand exactly whats going on? metabolism is much more than some function of a cell. it means that the cell is somehow deciding what it needs to grow and replicate, its sensing when conditions are favourable to do so, and it somehow does this without some horrible error that kills the line before it ever propagates.
they teach these basic things that arnt very interesting and outdated things in the intro bio courses because you need the fundamentals before you can comprehend the advanced stuff.
edit: im not deeply religious but i was raised christian, and i know most of the gospels in the bible. but i still prefer science to religion, mostly because its more interesting.
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briefly looking over what has been said it sounds more like philosophy and religion.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
the reason drugs might work in patient a and not b could be because of b's biology, not the drug structure.
thats all i read lol
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
if you really understood, youd know why youre wrong again right there.
as it pertains to the current off-topic topic of this, it fits, but just know that, generally, that statement is wrong.
it increases sexual desire (reproduction!), but not desire for 3 hot blondes, that parts psychological.
and im sleeping now.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
and meph. WTF why quote me? i said nothing about freedoms and w/e im sticking to the subject about science.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
and what hypothesis did i make? all im saying is that if you try to explain things, you have to at least understand what you are talking about.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
because for some reason doing something allegedly righteous by spreading the gospel and getting paid for it? thats like superman charging a fee everytime for saving your arse, it just doesnt seem right. yeah i understand he needs to make a living, but by supposedly teaching others to be selfless and to be free from envy and greed, yet charging a fee? seems contradictory...
...and yes, i know theres contradictions in the bible.
and on the whole, new testament is much less strict than the old. now, instead of devoting our lives to the Lord, we just have to accept Jesus as our savior to get into heaven
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
thankfully Christianity got a lot less strict over time.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
ive just been stating things that ive been taught or read about; i dont think im qualified enough to make my own groundbreaking, earthshattering revelations...yet
biologists have a job, and our job is to unravel some of the secrets of nature, in doing so we come up with all sorts of ethical/moral and philosophical dilemmas for ourselves but thats for the politicians to worry over.
but trust me, next time i get sick ill goto the doctor and ask him if i have a soul before anything else, otherwise i might not be alive, and he wouldnt have to, you know, do his job.
jkjk.
i kid.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
organisms need to do something that distinguishes it from dirt and debris. going back to (a).
all those things i mentioned above that life can do, makes it quite extraordinary. perhaps even evidence for the existence of some divine creator, after all, the odds were against us heavily.
edit: lol b ) makes it into a sunglasses smiley.
bacteria can respond to pain. they squirm around and run like crazy from flames. but i dont think you can recognize this as real pain anyways; youre going into some scifi philoso-blabbery that has nothing to do with biology
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."
as for the definition of life, i simply said metabolism because we are going into a very complex subject. if i showed you a gel depicting early known autocatalytic nucleic acids and how over time, they increase rate and fidelity, would you understand exactly whats going on? metabolism is much more than some function of a cell. it means that the cell is somehow deciding what it needs to grow and replicate, its sensing when conditions are favourable to do so, and it somehow does this without some horrible error that kills the line before it ever propagates.
they teach these basic things that arnt very interesting and outdated things in the intro bio courses because you need the fundamentals before you can comprehend the advanced stuff.
edit: im not deeply religious but i was raised christian, and i know most of the gospels in the bible. but i still prefer science to religion, mostly because its more interesting.
"to the worm in horseradish, the world is horseradish."