Sorry but I didn't read any of the comments, just some of the OP.
But from what i gathered, no one will play PvP from day one, it's something most people do at the very least after clearing normal mode.
Blizzard pushed PvP back to give the game to us a little early, it will still come, and by then maybe you haven't even reach 60.
So be patient, and please don't generalize every PvE player.
Hehe, I think the major complaint from PvPers isn't that D3 wont be shipping with it, it's more the fact that there is so little support planned for PvP such as ladder, duelling, ganking etc.
Apart from that, you're absolutely right.
Personally I don't mind either or. D3 was never a PvP game for me anyway, I'd much rather play Sc2 or Dota/2 and such. I do think I'll miss the casual duelling part though.
I do foresee that should Blizzard give more support towards the PvP segment that there will be tremendous amounts of tears from both sides about balance and what not. Basically nothing out of the ordinary!
EDIT: Now that I read my own post, I noticed there's a distinct lack of yellow smilies in this thread. Smile people! Even if you're not on the same page, we're still gonna play the same game, and love the hell out of it. So smile!
Have to say as well that's an awesome, take no prisoners, rant that puts the pvp into posting. Good job Elementz!
Well, I dunno, all I feel he's doing is creating more animosity towards the PvP crowd. But hey, all PR is good PR right, even if it hints of perhaps more whinging and whining from the PvP community in terms of "waaaah Blizzard neglects balancing PvP in Diablo3, waaaah"... ^^
Alright; I was there, during D2's golden age and I have to say people that keep ranting on about how perfect it was and how it made the game are fucking all stoned or something.
D2's PvP WAS NOT THAT MAJOR! It was okay for a couple of months and that was that. I am sorry you feel so butt-hurt over this but all the PvPer's are just being stubborn morons (see I can generalize and insult a massive group just like you can, but I don't need a wall of text to do it).
I have no problem with PvP; it can be fun, but I do have a problem with turning D3 into an Esport, which it isn't and never will be.
Not ONCE and I mean ONCE, in my 10+ years of playing Diablo PvP, did I hear 1 person cry for esports, cry for nerfs, cry for buffs. NOT ONCE, do you kids understand this? This is not WoW, if the developer sucks that bad at making a game that every class has a pro and a con and is not S+++ tier then he needs to be fired.
The reason you didn't hear that whining is that WoW (And such games) wasn't around back then. It's relatively new, and lets face it, Diablo3 is getting the WoW crowd. And the WoW crowd whines. A lot. And what do they whine for? Buffs, nerf, eSports and probably a whole lot more.
More importantly, why do they whine? Because class X raped them in PvP, and that makes them unbalanced.
People didn't whine for balance before, because no one cared (enough). It wasn't _that_ competitive. But now is another story. I feel like Blizzard dug their own grave with WoW arena, because now that everyone knows about it, the people who liked it will want something similar to it, while the people that hate it wont like to have it at all.
I predict this will be a problem for Blizzards future MMOs/RPGs.
Hmm, I doubt you would be PvPing the moment the game comes out anyway. You said it yourself. Your farm farm farm for gear in order to PvP. This generally takes some time, since you're gonna wanna farm inferno gear I suppose. During that "some time", I'm sure Blizzard will have released the PvP patch.
I fail to see your reason for ranting, short of ranting about other people ranting. Which seems quite redundant and quite frankly a bit stupid?
Patience is a virtue!
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Hehe, I think the major complaint from PvPers isn't that D3 wont be shipping with it, it's more the fact that there is so little support planned for PvP such as ladder, duelling, ganking etc.
Apart from that, you're absolutely right.
Personally I don't mind either or. D3 was never a PvP game for me anyway, I'd much rather play Sc2 or Dota/2 and such. I do think I'll miss the casual duelling part though.
I do foresee that should Blizzard give more support towards the PvP segment that there will be tremendous amounts of tears from both sides about balance and what not. Basically nothing out of the ordinary!
EDIT: Now that I read my own post, I noticed there's a distinct lack of yellow smilies in this thread. Smile people! Even if you're not on the same page, we're still gonna play the same game, and love the hell out of it. So smile!
Hush now, this isn't a place for logic, just sit back and enjoy the show, like any reasonable person would.
Well, I dunno, all I feel he's doing is creating more animosity towards the PvP crowd. But hey, all PR is good PR right, even if it hints of perhaps more whinging and whining from the PvP community in terms of "waaaah Blizzard neglects balancing PvP in Diablo3, waaaah"... ^^
The reason you didn't hear that whining is that WoW (And such games) wasn't around back then. It's relatively new, and lets face it, Diablo3 is getting the WoW crowd. And the WoW crowd whines. A lot. And what do they whine for? Buffs, nerf, eSports and probably a whole lot more.
More importantly, why do they whine? Because class X raped them in PvP, and that makes them unbalanced.
People didn't whine for balance before, because no one cared (enough). It wasn't _that_ competitive. But now is another story. I feel like Blizzard dug their own grave with WoW arena, because now that everyone knows about it, the people who liked it will want something similar to it, while the people that hate it wont like to have it at all.
I predict this will be a problem for Blizzards future MMOs/RPGs.
EDIT: Tired, stupid typos etc.
I fail to see your reason for ranting, short of ranting about other people ranting. Which seems quite redundant and quite frankly a bit stupid?
Patience is a virtue!