Months before completely farmable doesn't tell me anything. They recently just had to retrack their old words because it bit them in the ass. It is a Diablo style game, they can't make it so hard that it takes months to correctly farm because then people will become aggravated and upset and quit. I am sure Inferno will be a challenge, do I see it taking 3-4 months to be farmed correctly? No. I see it taking a month tops and it will be farmed. Do you have to possess some skill to do that? Yea, im not worried in that aspect though.
What are they doing to keep a skilled player interested in Diablo? Hopefully adding that content you always talk about, well see though. Looks like they are making a game for players who need their hands held though.
If (and I do mean a BIG BIG if) you are remotely as good as you claim to be, sure you might have no trouble grinding your way through till you can farm inferno in a month. However, you'd be likely less than 1% of the community. As I've stated previously, games aren't generally designed around those type of gamers anymore. Now days my grandparents play video games. My own mother played quake quite heavily. Gaming isn't some secret group of elitist people anymore, and games are generally made for the majority. The majority now days are casual gamers. Sure, Blizzard wants to appeal to those crazy gamers who want super hard gameplay...and they have (hardcore, inferno). If you're somehow so skilled that Blizzards attempts to challenge you aren't enough, perhaps you're playing the wrong kind of games... I mean if they aren't fun.. why buy em?
I didn't say they weren't fun. I love PvMing, it just gets old to me. The grind of the same monster for the 1000000x, the grind of the trading gets old to me. PvP offers a dynamic and random variable, so it stays interesting. It is why I enjoy fighting games.
I don't see Inferno being as difficult as they say, I hope to hell it is so it will be interesting, but I don't see it happening. I see it then walling off a ton of the community and pissing people off. Now you saying they make games for the majority and the majority is casual gamers, then why would I someone who is not casual have any problem with casual content?
Oh yea, haven't you heard? Diablo PvP is all about gear. And who to have better gear then a PvM focused guy?
I really don't expect the matchmaking to mean anything, because just like Starcraft you will have pros in every division making it "unfair" to all levels of play. Me? I love the challenge, and I hope it is there in Diablo. Way they are designing game, it looks like itll be pretty damn hard to suck at anything too.
You know Adon... I don't really understand how you expect anyone to take you seriously. I've looked at your posts from various threads on this forum and you always come off as 'crazy'. You ignore logical arguments, fluff your ego, and treat people like crap. You sound like the old stereotype of a gamer....someone who sits in their parent's basement, spent all their time playing a single game or two, etc.
Blizzard has made the game difficult. I mean, they are expecting inferno to take months before it can be farmed. How does that not equate to difficulty?
Months before completely farmable doesn't tell me anything. They recently just had to retrack their old words because it bit them in the ass. It is a Diablo style game, they can't make it so hard that it takes months to correctly farm because then people will become aggravated and upset and quit. I am sure Inferno will be a challenge, do I see it taking 3-4 months to be farmed correctly? No. I see it taking a month tops and it will be farmed. Do you have to possess some skill to do that? Yea, im not worried in that aspect though.
What are they doing to keep a skilled player interested in Diablo? Hopefully adding that content you always talk about, well see though. Looks like they are making a game for players who need their hands held though.
Well see how it goes, with their design plans I expect your type to be the exact type at high end, so lucky me.
Someone that generally focuses on PvM and only PvP's casually for fun being at the top? I don't think so. ^-~
Oh yea, haven't you heard? Diablo PvP is all about gear. And who to have better gear then a PvM focused guy?
I really don't expect the matchmaking to mean anything, because just like Starcraft you will have pros in every division making it "unfair" to all levels of play. Me? I love the challenge, and I hope it is there in Diablo. Way they are designing game, it looks like itll be pretty damn hard to suck at anything too.
Riiight awesome gameplay....smashing my face into the enemy for the 100000x in an ez mode PvM...yay.....I haven't done that enough over the past 12+ years. It is kind of refreshing to know that your type won't be in the arena, I mean wouldn't wanna break a nail or harm anyone right? Itll also be refreshing to spawn kill your whole team in that pathetic team death match style ha. Hope you feel good when I have 100 kills by myself and your team has 3 combined from killing my 2 partners.
See, I will play Arena. I'm actually quite interested in Arena. Lucky me though, I won't have to play against you if you're as good as you boast about. I get to enjoy playing both PvP and PvM...awesome.
Well see how it goes, with their design plans I expect your type to be the exact type at high end, so lucky me.
I will like the arena, if I can customize it. If it is generic 3v3 team duels then hell no. Ill be out of this game and so will a ton of the old school players, well sell our gear for some quick cash to kids who can't handle ez mode D3 PvM and move on. Simple.
Good riddance? You're not likely to get most of what YOU want based on how you seemingly played D2. Seems like the only one that loses is you. Sucks that you cannot adapt to enjoy a game with awesome gameplay...but oh well.
Riiight awesome gameplay....smashing my face into the enemy for the 100000x in an ez mode PvM...yay.....I haven't done that enough over the past 12+ years. It is kind of refreshing to know that your type won't be in the arena, I mean wouldn't wanna break a nail or harm anyone right? Itll also be refreshing to spawn kill your whole team in that pathetic team death match style ha. Hope you feel good when I have 100 kills by myself and your team has 3 combined from killing my 2 partners.
So I was abusing the mechanic because I didn't follow their "intentions" of the mechanic? Me breaking the mechanic and using it to further better myself would be abusing it. Nothing I did with the mechanic was out of intended reasons for it, it operates just as it should.
Well I guess that is the problem, I won't have fun fighting someone at equal skill, level, or gear because I haven't met them in 12+ years and why would I meet them now ha? I definitely won't have fun fighting in team duels, as relying on poorly skilled kids who think gear is the end all be all in Diablo PvP is a recipe for disaster.
You know how me and my brother team dueled? We would do 2v6, vs top tier clans. We wouldn't work as a team, we would see who could kill the majority of the other team before the other one could. Hunting kids down and killing them has been a huge part of Diablo for me and all of my friends since D1. Now I understand I am by far the minority in the division, but PvP in Diablo is not the minority by far buddy, and like I said, I don't care about the here and now, I am looking at the future.
Well, I hope you like the idea of Arena...because that is the future. I'm looking forward to it too.
I will like the arena, if I can customize it. If it is generic 3v3 team duels then hell no. Ill be out of this game and so will a ton of the old school players, well sell our gear for some quick cash to kids who can't handle ez mode D3 PvM and move on. Simple.
Right, so I abused what game mechanics? The ones they placed there for me to use? I abused them by not killing lower levels, by not jumping people, but by standing there in the moor and killing 7 people at once....I clearly see where you are coming from...oh wait no I don't? Yea it probably was unfun for them, I mean who wants to get beat down by 1 guy when you have 7 on your team?
Lesson of this story: Don't suck
I guess what really gets me is that you guys all come in here, and bitch and moan about how unfair D2 PvP was and how D3 PvP is gonna be so great, when your actual PvP experience in game like this is so damn limited. I PvP'd more in 1 day then half this forum has their whole life in Diablo ha, it's pathetic.
Yes, you were abusing game mechanics that at the time weren't designed to handle that style of gameplay. It obviously wasn't the intended way to play the game as they didn't continue in in Diablo 3 did they? Nope, now you actually have to fight players with an equal skill, gear, and level. How is this a bad thing?
As for complaints...seems that you're the one complaining more then I am. You're the one saying Diablo 3 will be terrible because you cannot get what you want. Me, I'm just saying you're wrong...because you are.
So I was abusing the mechanic because I didn't follow their "intentions" of the mechanic? Me breaking the mechanic and using it to further better myself would be abusing it. Nothing I did with the mechanic was out of intended reasons for it, it operates just as it should.
Well I guess that is the problem, I won't have fun fighting someone at equal skill, level, or gear because I haven't met them in 12+ years and why would I meet them now ha? I definitely won't have fun fighting in team duels, as relying on poorly skilled kids who think gear is the end all be all in Diablo PvP is a recipe for disaster.
You know how me and my brother team dueled? We would do 2v6, vs top tier clans. We wouldn't work as a team, we would see who could kill the majority of the other team before the other one could. Hunting kids down and killing them has been a huge part of Diablo for me and all of my friends since D1. Now I understand I am by far the minority in the division, but PvP in Diablo is not the minority by far buddy, and like I said, I don't care about the here and now, I am looking at the future.
Yea I guess so. Me playing the game how I want and being skilled enough to stomp 7 people at once by myself or taking guys 60+ levels higher then me and stomping them.....shouldn't listen to me ever! Id say they should listen to the guy who played the game since launch to today, they should listen to the guy who mastered every mechanic of the game. Oh wait..maybe they should listen to the guys who got destroyed and quit the game after normal...or that quit the game after being PK'd...yea they will surely know a lot or stick around.
Hrm... So Blizzard should listen to someone that abuses game mechanics, harasses other players for fun, and all around make playing with them unfun... Right? No, sorry. I think that Blizzard knows exactly what they are doing and Diablo 3 will be amazing.
Right, so I abused what game mechanics? The ones they placed there for me to use? I abused them by not killing lower levels, by not jumping people, but by standing there in the moor and killing 7 people at once....I clearly see where you are coming from...oh wait no I don't? Yea it probably was unfun for them, I mean who wants to get beat down by 1 guy when you have 7 on your team?
Lesson of this story: Don't suck
I guess what really gets me is that you guys all come in here, and bitch and moan about how unfair D2 PvP was and how D3 PvP is gonna be so great, when your actual PvP experience in game like this is so damn limited. I PvP'd more in 1 day then half this forum has their whole life in Diablo ha, it's pathetic.
I agree with you. This forum is crowded with PvM'ers who played 2 minutes of D2 PvP and got killed and cried foul. Polls won't prove anything because there are maybe a hand full of real PvP'ers in this forum.
Oh no! A forum crowded with players that play the game for its core game features...
Oh but it is the legacy of Diablo. It was apparent in D1 and apparent in D2. It is why I and many others played the game for 12+ years. Me going 1v7 would you call that fair? I sure do, and I loved every second of it. Me joining a game with my LLD and stomping level 80+ guys, would you call that fair? I sure do, and again...loved every second of it.
You just proved with this statement exactly why Blizzard should not listen to you..... EVER.
Yea I guess so. Me playing the game how I want and being skilled enough to stomp 7 people at once by myself or taking guys 60+ levels higher then me and stomping them.....shouldn't listen to me ever! Id say they should listen to the guy who played the game since launch to today, they should listen to the guy who mastered every mechanic of the game. Oh wait..maybe they should listen to the guys who got destroyed and quit the game after normal...or that quit the game after being PK'd...yea they will surely know a lot or stick around.
I can't believe arena leads, how many old school diablo players actually visit those forums ?
Hostility and duels always been diablo's pvp legacy...... if players want team work arena they should go play wow or somethink
I agree with you. This forum is crowded with PvM'ers who played 2 minutes of D2 PvP and got killed and cried foul. Polls won't prove anything because there are maybe a hand full of real PvP'ers in this forum.
legacy my ass that shit was lame people only did it that way cause they had no choice given what we have now i would rather have a fair fight
Oh but it is the legacy of Diablo. It was apparent in D1 and apparent in D2. It is why I and many others played the game for 12+ years. Me going 1v7 would you call that fair? I sure do, and I loved every second of it. Me joining a game with my LLD and stomping level 80+ guys, would you call that fair? I sure do, and again...loved every second of it.
Well again ecutruin you pointed out nothing. Nothing that I was suggesting gives off a competitive or a esport mentality, in fact it goes directly against that thought process. You are so wound up in this whole esport thing and so scared shit-less that some PvP'er is going to run in your game and fuck you up that you obviously can't help but bring up esports and how "broken" pvp was in d2 and how it isn't the focus in every thread ha.
Now again, how was D2 PvP broken? I have given you all perfect examples thus far how you thought it was broken but the only thing broken was your lack of knowledge of the mechanics.
It's not only my view that it was broken...others also have found it broken. I haven't played Diablo 2 PvP in like 5 years. Expecting me to remember every little thing about it is just silly. What I do remember of it was that it just wasn't fun. Super twinked out characters basically killed everyone and generally camped you from even getting your body. That was my experience with PvP in Diablo 2.
As to your comment about me being 'scared'...do you even read what you post? Insulting other posters is a great way to get taken seriously, right? No, I'm not 'scared' of hostility...I don't ENJOY people coming into my game, flagging, and killing people that are trying to progress. It's not a fun experience for most people, which is why many games in Diablo 2 that were trying to progress content were either rushes, runs, or private passworded games. Funny enough, this poll says the majority feels the same way.
Now, tell me how hostility would be better for Diablo 3. Tell me how you're views on how the game's PvP would actually make the game better. Diablo 3 is nearly done, its core development and design focused on PvM. What would be so beneficial to the community AS A WHOLE that it'd be worth the development resources to implement? Use some logic behind your posts, instead of insults.
Right, so it is insulting to insinuate that you are scared of PvP and esports because well every post you post is you crying about esports or you spewing the same old cliche...so it is also insulting that you insinuate that your view of Diablo is the only correct one...and that there is obviously no good in PvP according to you? Bottom line, I could care less if you got insulted by what I said, obviously you are new to the Diablo community, try and harden up buddy..it only gets worse.
Hostility, while not needed, and not even something that I expect Blizzard to develop, nor is it something I am asking for, is and always has been a big part of the Diablo series. You even admitted that by stating how you got ganked and grieved and apparently thousands of others have as well, including Jay Wilson (Not suprised). IF hostility, were to be implemented, it shouldn't be the way Diablo 2 did it, it should be optional like I have stated probably a hundred times already and already laid out why and how this would work and how it would not affect PvM in the slightest.
Now what does hostility offer D3? Why should it be in there? Because it simply offers the nostalgic Diablo experience many have experienced. It offers a gameplay that is dynamic every game, instead of a static drawn out world where I can predict every movement within the game, hostility offers the ability to change the game at any moment. Now, I don't know about you but if you enjoy a world where the only random encounter you will find is a vary of a champion mob here or there then sure hostility might be a bad idea for you...and that is fine that is why they give people options. Now for me...that is boring as shit, if the only thing I have to look forward to is a random encounter with an easy ass champion mob, then well that is a pretty poor example of Diablo play to me.
Again, if I insulted you..that sucks, you should really loosen up because nothing I said was even remotely insulting, especially no more insulting then you putting the PvP crowd down like dogs and calling them trolls because they enjoyed a little more then killing monsters and farming gear.
All of them but Hostility. The only way I'd be okay with hostility is if you could toggle it on (the default is off) in the game settings, and you're made aware the instant someone goes hostile.
And even like this the system is kinda uninteresting. It just lends itself to senseless ganking. No one is gonna go hostile if it's a fair fight. Dueling is just as good if you want a legitimate fight.
Dueling is fine, it is kind of pointless and annoying to have to stop mid game, leave the game and join a new game just to duel. It should all be one motion. Maybe give us a WP to the arena in the same game, could solve a lot of problems. Hostility while it was used for ganking yes, it provided a much more dynamic game experience. Which is why it should be an option when creating or searching for a game. Can't honestly tell me it is hard to code in a little hostile button, since D1 and D2 had it what 10+ years ago.
For people that are going to say "BUT BUT BUT leaving mid game will disrupt our flow of PvM and we all have to stop if someone wants to duel!!!". Maybe it might, I don't know, personally I don't see D3 being that difficult, no harder then lightning monsters in D2 and no harder then Lord De Sis with a barbarian, right strategy and they fall easy. For a counter argument here, ok so we disrupted your flow with our duel...what if we go to town to trade, or repair or whatever....arn't we disrupting your flow that way? It is no different, unless you are scared to admit that people actually like to duel in Diablo......
Well again ecutruin you pointed out nothing. Nothing that I was suggesting gives off a competitive or a esport mentality, in fact it goes directly against that thought process. You are so wound up in this whole esport thing and so scared shit-less that some PvP'er is going to run in your game and fuck you up that you obviously can't help but bring up esports and how "broken" pvp was in d2 and how it isn't the focus in every thread ha.
Now again, how was D2 PvP broken? I have given you all perfect examples thus far how you thought it was broken but the only thing broken was your lack of knowledge of the mechanics.
How was d2 pvp unbalanced? What was so unbalanced about it? Name it and I will tell you exactly why it was balanced and what to do about it. Just because you guys never cared to learn the game, doesn't mean it was broken. I am not asking for balance, or esports or anything buddy so stop bringing it up, you are like a broken record. Is Street Fighter unbalanced and broken and everything because a few people can't handle spacing, pokes, inputs, match ups? I don't think so.
How was it unbalanced?...Any AoE class with high end gear and teleport could quite easily wipe the floor with almost any player from my experience. In addition, without any sort of matchmaking system...there was no way to 'learn' effectively unless you buy items or spend months farming just to get into PvP at all (almost every PvP game I joined had one of the above teleport killers). This isn't balanced play. Its elitist play that is only fun for hardcore players that want highly competitive PvP....
Guess what?... That's not Diablo 3! Blizzard has stated themselves that if features would create an impression of eSport PvP, they will intentionally avoid adding it. Their goal is to focus on a more casual PvP experience and create system that works well alongside PvM. If you're looking for highly competitive and organized PvP, you need to look at a different game. This doesn't make Diablo 3 a bad game or Blizzard a bad company for not giving you the features. Games aren't ever going to be for everyone. Diablo 3 was designed for PvM gamers first, that's just the way things are.
I don't know...I know plenty of people over my 10 years of playing Diablo that learned PvP just fine. Also, a charger paladin can rock any class if they are good enough. A smiter can rock any class if good enough. A zerk barb can rock any class if good enough, and definitely a bone necro can rock any class if good enough...none of these classes are AOE classes and can do all of that with out teleport. Again, just because you had a bad experience and never learned how to play that part of the game doesn't make it unbalanced.
Again..what the hell are you talking about haha? So them allowing me to play 1v7, ect is creating a competitive and esports feeling? Are you high? Them restricting everything is doing nothing but killing the fun out of the game for a lot of people, even as a casual thing this PvP with your hands tied blows and is only a 1 off thing then it will be old news. It must boil down to their latest development thought process where the consumer is to stupid to make their own decisions so daddy Blizzard better do it for them right?
adon i did point out the glitch did you read or did you just impulsively troll on me
Right, so you pointed out a glitch...that Blizzard was to lazy to patch? Ok so beyond a 1 off glitch, which was still beatable might I add...what else was so overpowering and god tier? Why don't you stop saying ignorant stuff, and answer the questions I placed out for you?
ecutruin:
How was d2 pvp unbalanced? What was so unbalanced about it? Name it and I will tell you exactly why it was balanced and what to do about it. Just because you guys never cared to learn the game, doesn't mean it was broken. I am not asking for balance, or esports or anything buddy so stop bringing it up, you are like a broken record. Is Street Fighter unbalanced and broken and everything because a few people can't handle spacing, pokes, inputs, match ups? I don't think so.
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I don't see Inferno being as difficult as they say, I hope to hell it is so it will be interesting, but I don't see it happening. I see it then walling off a ton of the community and pissing people off. Now you saying they make games for the majority and the majority is casual gamers, then why would I someone who is not casual have any problem with casual content?
What are they doing to keep a skilled player interested in Diablo? Hopefully adding that content you always talk about, well see though. Looks like they are making a game for players who need their hands held though.
I really don't expect the matchmaking to mean anything, because just like Starcraft you will have pros in every division making it "unfair" to all levels of play. Me? I love the challenge, and I hope it is there in Diablo. Way they are designing game, it looks like itll be pretty damn hard to suck at anything too.
Well I guess that is the problem, I won't have fun fighting someone at equal skill, level, or gear because I haven't met them in 12+ years and why would I meet them now ha? I definitely won't have fun fighting in team duels, as relying on poorly skilled kids who think gear is the end all be all in Diablo PvP is a recipe for disaster.
You know how me and my brother team dueled? We would do 2v6, vs top tier clans. We wouldn't work as a team, we would see who could kill the majority of the other team before the other one could. Hunting kids down and killing them has been a huge part of Diablo for me and all of my friends since D1. Now I understand I am by far the minority in the division, but PvP in Diablo is not the minority by far buddy, and like I said, I don't care about the here and now, I am looking at the future.
Lesson of this story: Don't suck
I guess what really gets me is that you guys all come in here, and bitch and moan about how unfair D2 PvP was and how D3 PvP is gonna be so great, when your actual PvP experience in game like this is so damn limited. I PvP'd more in 1 day then half this forum has their whole life in Diablo ha, it's pathetic.
Oh but it is the legacy of Diablo. It was apparent in D1 and apparent in D2. It is why I and many others played the game for 12+ years. Me going 1v7 would you call that fair? I sure do, and I loved every second of it. Me joining a game with my LLD and stomping level 80+ guys, would you call that fair? I sure do, and again...loved every second of it.
Hostility, while not needed, and not even something that I expect Blizzard to develop, nor is it something I am asking for, is and always has been a big part of the Diablo series. You even admitted that by stating how you got ganked and grieved and apparently thousands of others have as well, including Jay Wilson (Not suprised). IF hostility, were to be implemented, it shouldn't be the way Diablo 2 did it, it should be optional like I have stated probably a hundred times already and already laid out why and how this would work and how it would not affect PvM in the slightest.
Now what does hostility offer D3? Why should it be in there? Because it simply offers the nostalgic Diablo experience many have experienced. It offers a gameplay that is dynamic every game, instead of a static drawn out world where I can predict every movement within the game, hostility offers the ability to change the game at any moment. Now, I don't know about you but if you enjoy a world where the only random encounter you will find is a vary of a champion mob here or there then sure hostility might be a bad idea for you...and that is fine that is why they give people options. Now for me...that is boring as shit, if the only thing I have to look forward to is a random encounter with an easy ass champion mob, then well that is a pretty poor example of Diablo play to me.
Again, if I insulted you..that sucks, you should really loosen up because nothing I said was even remotely insulting, especially no more insulting then you putting the PvP crowd down like dogs and calling them trolls because they enjoyed a little more then killing monsters and farming gear.
For people that are going to say "BUT BUT BUT leaving mid game will disrupt our flow of PvM and we all have to stop if someone wants to duel!!!". Maybe it might, I don't know, personally I don't see D3 being that difficult, no harder then lightning monsters in D2 and no harder then Lord De Sis with a barbarian, right strategy and they fall easy. For a counter argument here, ok so we disrupted your flow with our duel...what if we go to town to trade, or repair or whatever....arn't we disrupting your flow that way? It is no different, unless you are scared to admit that people actually like to duel in Diablo......
Now again, how was D2 PvP broken? I have given you all perfect examples thus far how you thought it was broken but the only thing broken was your lack of knowledge of the mechanics.
Again..what the hell are you talking about haha? So them allowing me to play 1v7, ect is creating a competitive and esports feeling? Are you high? Them restricting everything is doing nothing but killing the fun out of the game for a lot of people, even as a casual thing this PvP with your hands tied blows and is only a 1 off thing then it will be old news. It must boil down to their latest development thought process where the consumer is to stupid to make their own decisions so daddy Blizzard better do it for them right?
ecutruin:
How was d2 pvp unbalanced? What was so unbalanced about it? Name it and I will tell you exactly why it was balanced and what to do about it. Just because you guys never cared to learn the game, doesn't mean it was broken. I am not asking for balance, or esports or anything buddy so stop bringing it up, you are like a broken record. Is Street Fighter unbalanced and broken and everything because a few people can't handle spacing, pokes, inputs, match ups? I don't think so.