Mmm, I wouldn't say that shooter or rts has more or less skill requirement than MOBAs or Diablo. They all have different systems to work within and different elements to monitor.
I mean, soccer is a relatively simply game, but that doesn't mean that the whatever team won the last world cup is less skilled than a football player.
I mean, that statement right there shows some ignorance (i don't watch soccer at all) so I'm just assuming football is more complicated.
Go is simple, chess is complicated, they both require a lot (and different) skills to win.
I didnt mean to say they dont require skill. Its just the level of skill people think they require is a little out of whack. I personally base what takes the most skill on what is hardest to be good at.
Like I feel I have a much better chance of being a Cup Stacking Champion then I ever do of becoming a Professional Football player.
I'm sure most of us have a much better chance at being very good at Dota and d3 pvp then we ever do at other games.
I get what your saying between a soccer player and football player. But these are professional sports who stood the test of time, and are played professionally. Similar to FPS and RTS genres. They are just accepted as the medium. Whereas stuff like wow and d3 isnt.
They are also far more balanced in terms of no team has an advantage over the other except for quality of players. One doesnt play with say 11 men on the field compared to ten. Or one baseball team gets to use an aluminum bat and the other a wooden one.
Nah im not joking. What other RPG or game bases your win on the ability to dodge attacks and aim your own? FPS? Fighter? Diablo has the elements to make it a great PvP game, WoW does not. Again if you think gear makes or breaks Diablo PvP then we can go and make some open battle.net characters, you can get your guy the best legit gear in the game and ill make a guy and go buy gear off charsi and ill be a lower level and I can show you that your gear doesn't mean jack compared to skill buddy. Anyone who says gear > skill in Diablo 2 simply wasn't good at PvP.
I dont even have a diablo cd anymore. But if you wanna keep drinking your own koolaid go ahead I dont really care. Its a gear based game. Always has been, always will. Hey, maybe thats why they are adding a rmah because you know people play diablo for gear. Maybe thats why there was 8 million diablo shops and dupes because hey people want gear to go destroy other gearless ppl. Dodging one measly attack just to one shot someone else is not skillbased pvp. I mean they dont play instagib in shooters professionally do they?
Diablo pvp is pretty much equal to dota/hon/LoL. I like it, but if i was gonna brag about my ability in a game, it would be in a shooter or rts, both with take more skill then any other genre in player vs. player.
I dont see what was so skillful about d2 pvp. Oh look I'm loaded in gear I win. Oh damn I dodged your attack you lost. It was honestly like a precursor to DOTA. Limited skills, mostly clicking, reaction time, gear, and juking. Hell, WoW pvp is more involved.(Flame me but its true). If you guys cared that much about being the greatest pvper ever, you would do it where the skill set needs to be higher.
You could be loaded in gear but if you don't know how to use your character anyone could beat you, that is what made Diablo special. People tend to think good gear = god at pvp which it doesn't in Diablo, it might in WoW but that game is nothing but gear and Auto aimed skills which means the skill level is pretty much low. You are saying WoW is better and more involved yet WoW doesn't have near the reaction time required for D2 pvp nor does it have juking or aiming factor. Diablo is like chess as WoW is to checkers.
I'm gonna flat out pretend this post wasnt meant to actually be serious. Its funny you say gear meant nothing in Diablo, when Diablo is ALL gear. Hell most all rpg pvp games is very very very heavy in the gear to skill ratio.
This is why games like SC2, quake, and such are actually played as esports, whereas not even wow is played as one anymore.
I played my fair share of Diablo. From Release till wow Release. I dont consider using a few hotkeys and dodging some attack the pinnacle of my competitive gaming history. Esp. since the majority of the battles were simply won by showing up in the best gear available at the time.
It was a blast yes. It was the first rpg pvp I had ever done. I plan on pvp being my endgame focus for D3. But I'm not gonna be delusional and biased and sit here and say in good faith diablo 2 pvp was the most skillful things I've had the priviledge of playing. It was some of the most fun pvp I've ever done, but the most fun does not equal the most skillful.
Most people think the things they are good at are the most skillful. Or the things they play. Case in point I went gambling this weekend. My stepdad ONLY plays 3 card poker because he thinks its more skillful then texas holdem. Simply because he actually wins on a 3 card poker table. When its not, its just more fun because hes good at it.
Just enjoy the pvp for what it is when it comes out. If you want to do something "skillful" there are a bunch other games where you will garner far more notariety being good at then diablo.
I love diablo, but honestly what koolaid have some of you guys been drinking? Worrying if d3 will be too easy? What made d2 hard? Lagging out playing hardcore?
Its funny the games that are the easiest to be good at, have the most elitists. Look at Dota, LoL, HoN, WoW. Games you can blame others for your failures.
Pvp will be fine. I dont understand what in the world makes you guys think tdm mode somehow invalidates all strategy, and "skill". I played tdm in a lot of shooters, in tournaments too. No one there took it lightly.
This zerg fest your talking about isnt gonna happen but at the lowest possible level of pvp. Near the top of the matchmaking, I'm pretty sure they will be some very tight, fun games. You SHOULD be facing like-minded individuals and teams.
Because you know, if your competitive, you should have a team so this zergfest your talking about should have some strategy.
I dont see what was so skillful about d2 pvp. Oh look I'm loaded in gear I win. Oh damn I dodged your attack you lost. It was honestly like a precursor to DOTA. Limited skills, mostly clicking, reaction time, gear, and juking. Hell, WoW pvp is more involved.(Flame me but its true). If you guys cared that much about being the greatest pvper ever, you would do it where the skill set needs to be higher.
Anyways I'm looking forward to pvp. I think its gonna be a blast. Looks more involved then d2 and TDM actually allows comebacks. More often then not in a game like this(Take wow for example) once one person is down your in bad shape. You get to regroup and readjust this way.
And for the casual thing. Who cares? Its an easy game, all diablo games were easy. I mean you move your freaking guy by clicking the mouse for god's sake. So a 6 year old can play it. News for you, I saw a 3 year old solve a rubicks cube in 11 minutes on youtube, and an 8 year old solve it in 33 seconds. Now, who cares how old someone is?
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I didnt mean to say they dont require skill. Its just the level of skill people think they require is a little out of whack. I personally base what takes the most skill on what is hardest to be good at.
Like I feel I have a much better chance of being a Cup Stacking Champion then I ever do of becoming a Professional Football player.
I'm sure most of us have a much better chance at being very good at Dota and d3 pvp then we ever do at other games.
I get what your saying between a soccer player and football player. But these are professional sports who stood the test of time, and are played professionally. Similar to FPS and RTS genres. They are just accepted as the medium. Whereas stuff like wow and d3 isnt.
They are also far more balanced in terms of no team has an advantage over the other except for quality of players. One doesnt play with say 11 men on the field compared to ten. Or one baseball team gets to use an aluminum bat and the other a wooden one.
I dont even have a diablo cd anymore. But if you wanna keep drinking your own koolaid go ahead I dont really care. Its a gear based game. Always has been, always will. Hey, maybe thats why they are adding a rmah because you know people play diablo for gear. Maybe thats why there was 8 million diablo shops and dupes because hey people want gear to go destroy other gearless ppl. Dodging one measly attack just to one shot someone else is not skillbased pvp. I mean they dont play instagib in shooters professionally do they?
Diablo pvp is pretty much equal to dota/hon/LoL. I like it, but if i was gonna brag about my ability in a game, it would be in a shooter or rts, both with take more skill then any other genre in player vs. player.
I'm gonna flat out pretend this post wasnt meant to actually be serious. Its funny you say gear meant nothing in Diablo, when Diablo is ALL gear. Hell most all rpg pvp games is very very very heavy in the gear to skill ratio.
This is why games like SC2, quake, and such are actually played as esports, whereas not even wow is played as one anymore.
I played my fair share of Diablo. From Release till wow Release. I dont consider using a few hotkeys and dodging some attack the pinnacle of my competitive gaming history. Esp. since the majority of the battles were simply won by showing up in the best gear available at the time.
It was a blast yes. It was the first rpg pvp I had ever done. I plan on pvp being my endgame focus for D3. But I'm not gonna be delusional and biased and sit here and say in good faith diablo 2 pvp was the most skillful things I've had the priviledge of playing. It was some of the most fun pvp I've ever done, but the most fun does not equal the most skillful.
Most people think the things they are good at are the most skillful. Or the things they play. Case in point I went gambling this weekend. My stepdad ONLY plays 3 card poker because he thinks its more skillful then texas holdem. Simply because he actually wins on a 3 card poker table. When its not, its just more fun because hes good at it.
Just enjoy the pvp for what it is when it comes out. If you want to do something "skillful" there are a bunch other games where you will garner far more notariety being good at then diablo.
Its funny the games that are the easiest to be good at, have the most elitists. Look at Dota, LoL, HoN, WoW. Games you can blame others for your failures.
Pvp will be fine. I dont understand what in the world makes you guys think tdm mode somehow invalidates all strategy, and "skill". I played tdm in a lot of shooters, in tournaments too. No one there took it lightly.
This zerg fest your talking about isnt gonna happen but at the lowest possible level of pvp. Near the top of the matchmaking, I'm pretty sure they will be some very tight, fun games. You SHOULD be facing like-minded individuals and teams.
Because you know, if your competitive, you should have a team so this zergfest your talking about should have some strategy.
I dont see what was so skillful about d2 pvp. Oh look I'm loaded in gear I win. Oh damn I dodged your attack you lost. It was honestly like a precursor to DOTA. Limited skills, mostly clicking, reaction time, gear, and juking. Hell, WoW pvp is more involved.(Flame me but its true). If you guys cared that much about being the greatest pvper ever, you would do it where the skill set needs to be higher.
Anyways I'm looking forward to pvp. I think its gonna be a blast. Looks more involved then d2 and TDM actually allows comebacks. More often then not in a game like this(Take wow for example) once one person is down your in bad shape. You get to regroup and readjust this way.
And for the casual thing. Who cares? Its an easy game, all diablo games were easy. I mean you move your freaking guy by clicking the mouse for god's sake. So a 6 year old can play it. News for you, I saw a 3 year old solve a rubicks cube in 11 minutes on youtube, and an 8 year old solve it in 33 seconds. Now, who cares how old someone is?