Just stop bsing us that you dont want it to be super competitive or "esport" as alot calls it. Your trying to pee down our backs and tell us its raining, and I dont buy it.
Most of your post made sense EXCEPT this end part. I personally, genuinely, 110% do not give two-hoots about PvP. I never pvped in D2 and I rarely PvPed in WoW. I am a PvE / PvM player in MMOs / Arpgs. So there are some of us (probably a lot of us; but I am speaking only for me here) who genuinely wouldn't care if Blizz said PvP is out fully.
As for the rest of your post; yes those that want it will find a way to make it work and good on them! And yes; people will cry 2 weeks in if it is supported but not balanced; but it will probably be more balanced much later in D3's life cycle so all is not lost for those that do want PvP.
See, personally I only care about pvp. I know it may not sound like it in my post, but its what my endgame is gonna consist of, besides making a few extra bucks. My post wasnt directed at you guys who DONT pvp, it was directed at people like diisfunk who mentioned having a Diablo game pvp where items didnt scale with the spells as much, which well, isnt diablo is it?
Diablo pvp is gonna be item based, unfair, and unbalanced. Its gonna be unbalanced for probably even longer stretches than wow pvp. And similar to a woman, once you start being romantic and buying her flowers and stuff, you can never go back.
Once you start catering to the pvp guys, you can never go back. So I guess they decided not to do it yet.
Personally I hope, that at some point they put all that stuff in for us. But I also realize its really not even gonna be that big a deal for a good while. You need gear, and lots of it to be good at pvp. You probably need some sort of pvp balance patch at some point because someone is gonna be horrendously overpowered. They always are.
And until we see how the matchmaking service works out, Heck it may be awesome and i face the same 10 teams everyday.
Oh okay, your post seemed to claim that everyone had interest in PvP, which isn't the case of course.
Yes I am not directly against PvP. I just personally have no interest in it. Provided the PvE / PvM game remains a focus (note I said a focus, not the only focus) then if blizzard decides to throw you guys a few bones and PvP upgrades etc then I am genuinely happy for you.
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I will however be irritated, if it feels like it comes at the cost of the main experience I am interested in aka PvE.
Its cool. I was just finding it funny half these guys are basically decribing wow arena in what they want out of diablo pvp.
And then realizing half the stuff we/they want, while doesnt sound like much, is easier said then done considering they havent even got the pve portion nailed down yet apparently.
Just stop bsing us that you dont want it to be super competitive or "esport" as alot calls it. Your trying to pee down our backs and tell us its raining, and I dont buy it.
Most of your post made sense EXCEPT this end part. I personally, genuinely, 110% do not give two-hoots about PvP. I never pvped in D2 and I rarely PvPed in WoW. I am a PvE / PvM player in MMOs / Arpgs. So there are some of us (probably a lot of us; but I am speaking only for me here) who genuinely wouldn't care if Blizz said PvP is out fully.
As for the rest of your post; yes those that want it will find a way to make it work and good on them! And yes; people will cry 2 weeks in if it is supported but not balanced; but it will probably be more balanced much later in D3's life cycle so all is not lost for those that do want PvP.
See, personally I only care about pvp. I know it may not sound like it in my post, but its what my endgame is gonna consist of, besides making a few extra bucks. My post wasnt directed at you guys who DONT pvp, it was directed at people like diisfunk who mentioned having a Diablo game pvp where items didnt scale with the spells as much, which well, isnt diablo is it?
Diablo pvp is gonna be item based, unfair, and unbalanced. Its gonna be unbalanced for probably even longer stretches than wow pvp. And similar to a woman, once you start being romantic and buying her flowers and stuff, you can never go back.
Once you start catering to the pvp guys, you can never go back. So I guess they decided not to do it yet.
Personally I hope, that at some point they put all that stuff in for us. But I also realize its really not even gonna be that big a deal for a good while. You need gear, and lots of it to be good at pvp. You probably need some sort of pvp balance patch at some point because someone is gonna be horrendously overpowered. They always are.
And until we see how the matchmaking service works out, Heck it may be awesome and i face the same 10 teams everyday.
Oh cmon guys stop lying. You DO want it to be an esport. Stop saying, "nu unnnnha". The more you talk about it, the more it shows. Some guy wanting the scaling of skills dropped for pvp so gear doesnt make as big a difference? Really? In a diablo game? Diablo is 90% gear, 10% skill. Why not just go play WoW?
Stop lying. Its ok. I plan on pvp being my endgame of choice outside of making some pocket money selling items. I would like ladders, win/loss, and all sorts of things. But it isnt happening right now. And who knows? pvp could be fun. We havent played it yet, and by today's standards diablo 2 pvp isnt all that and a bag of chips. Oh I dodged whirlwind you dead. Oh I didnt dodge it I'm dead. But we made it work and had a blast.
I forsee the same thing in d3. We will make it work. Your gonna be matched up with similar people hopefully. If half of you are as good as you think you are wanting super uber competitive pvp, it wont be long before your simply facing the same people over and over right? The cream of the crop so to speak. And you can make TDM work, with quality players.
I can see why blizzard has steered clear of balancing for pvp for right now. Just look at wow. Personally I love arenas. But that game is one gigantic cryfest over a very small population(pvp). That is exactly what would happen here too. It would start out ok, everyone goin, "oh yea I know its not balanced I dont care!" to 2 weeks later, "blizzard this is BS I demand nerfs now OMGGGG!!" over and over and over all the time. People constantly complaining left and right.
So I can see how they dont feel like dealing with it right now, esp. since it seems they havent even got the freakin pve section finished.
Maybe the flesh it out later. I'm sure at some point, similar to wow, they will flesh it out to keep people playing. It's probably inevitable. Not to mention, who is really gonna care all that much about pvp until they get at least decently geared, which isnt gonna be easy or cheap for the first 6 months. Not to mention, its gonna be way out of whack balance wise, and again this isnt wow. Dont expect some balance patch just because say barbs are ripping it up.
I would like at least a vs feature so you could fight a specific team. This would probably be a nice compromise so that most of you could set your own tournies up.
Just stop bsing us that you dont want it to be super competitive or "esport" as alot calls it. Your trying to pee down our backs and tell us its raining, and I dont buy it.
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Its cool. I was just finding it funny half these guys are basically decribing wow arena in what they want out of diablo pvp.
And then realizing half the stuff we/they want, while doesnt sound like much, is easier said then done considering they havent even got the pve portion nailed down yet apparently.
See, personally I only care about pvp. I know it may not sound like it in my post, but its what my endgame is gonna consist of, besides making a few extra bucks. My post wasnt directed at you guys who DONT pvp, it was directed at people like diisfunk who mentioned having a Diablo game pvp where items didnt scale with the spells as much, which well, isnt diablo is it?
Diablo pvp is gonna be item based, unfair, and unbalanced. Its gonna be unbalanced for probably even longer stretches than wow pvp. And similar to a woman, once you start being romantic and buying her flowers and stuff, you can never go back.
Once you start catering to the pvp guys, you can never go back. So I guess they decided not to do it yet.
Personally I hope, that at some point they put all that stuff in for us. But I also realize its really not even gonna be that big a deal for a good while. You need gear, and lots of it to be good at pvp. You probably need some sort of pvp balance patch at some point because someone is gonna be horrendously overpowered. They always are.
And until we see how the matchmaking service works out, Heck it may be awesome and i face the same 10 teams everyday.
Stop lying. Its ok. I plan on pvp being my endgame of choice outside of making some pocket money selling items. I would like ladders, win/loss, and all sorts of things. But it isnt happening right now. And who knows? pvp could be fun. We havent played it yet, and by today's standards diablo 2 pvp isnt all that and a bag of chips. Oh I dodged whirlwind you dead. Oh I didnt dodge it I'm dead. But we made it work and had a blast.
I forsee the same thing in d3. We will make it work. Your gonna be matched up with similar people hopefully. If half of you are as good as you think you are wanting super uber competitive pvp, it wont be long before your simply facing the same people over and over right? The cream of the crop so to speak. And you can make TDM work, with quality players.
I can see why blizzard has steered clear of balancing for pvp for right now. Just look at wow. Personally I love arenas. But that game is one gigantic cryfest over a very small population(pvp). That is exactly what would happen here too. It would start out ok, everyone goin, "oh yea I know its not balanced I dont care!" to 2 weeks later, "blizzard this is BS I demand nerfs now OMGGGG!!" over and over and over all the time. People constantly complaining left and right.
So I can see how they dont feel like dealing with it right now, esp. since it seems they havent even got the freakin pve section finished.
Maybe the flesh it out later. I'm sure at some point, similar to wow, they will flesh it out to keep people playing. It's probably inevitable. Not to mention, who is really gonna care all that much about pvp until they get at least decently geared, which isnt gonna be easy or cheap for the first 6 months. Not to mention, its gonna be way out of whack balance wise, and again this isnt wow. Dont expect some balance patch just because say barbs are ripping it up.
I would like at least a vs feature so you could fight a specific team. This would probably be a nice compromise so that most of you could set your own tournies up.
Just stop bsing us that you dont want it to be super competitive or "esport" as alot calls it. Your trying to pee down our backs and tell us its raining, and I dont buy it.