For example, I play a not-selfound character, I sell something for 200m gold, then I use that gold to upgrade gems in my selfound character, then that character becomes indirectly and immediately not-selfound.
Otherwise, you would be cheating yourself.
A way to revert this status of not-selfoundness, is to get rid of your gold whatever you want (like dropping items in the floor that you previously bought in the AH) and start over.
I understand your line of thinking, but it just doesn't hold up as a hard-and-fast rule.
Take the following for instance:
I have a self-found character [A] and a non-self-found character [B] on the same account.
I have 100 million gold from picking stuff up and vendoring it.
B sells a perfect Mempo for 750 million, bringing my stash up to 850 million.
If A never spends touches that 750 million (ie: the only toon that takes the stash under 750 million is the AH toon), what's the big deal? He hasn't dipped into AH gold.
This also applies to the stash. If you somehow used AH gold on your first toon to buy stash spots, that means your whole account is not self-found from now on? That might sound LOGICAL, but it's really just being stupidly restrictive. Some people choose to go self-found after they already played a toon and used the AH. Are you somehow supposed to "erase" all your gold, your stash and artisan progress? Are you somehow supposed to audit yourself and figure out a way to remove the non-self-found gold and then continue? Are you seriously telling me that once you sell an item on the AH you have to go start a new account?
Aside from being completely un-verifiable, it's heavy-handed and arbitrary.
If B buys some items on the AH which helps him go from MP1 to MP 7, do you have to audit out the gold differential in those piles so that A can't touch "that" gold? Where does the stupidity end and common sense take over? People play this shit for fun, not to have a bunch of nerds on the forums telling them that their definition of "self-found" isn't hardcore enough.
Does self-found mean you have to play with other self-found characters? If you play with an AH toon aren't their AH purchases directly assisting you?
How do you "enforce" any of this? It's easy for a player to not use the AH and not trade. That's something they ultimately have control over. But all this other shit, you are setting up a system where someone can't even join a public game because they're afraid that some jerk on the internet will tell them they're not self-found anymore.
It's necessary to remind you that if you have one character not self-found and you sell something in the AH for gold, then all of your characters become not self-found, for obvious reasons.
By that logic you can't be self-found, ever, unless your first toon was self-found.
Why? Essentially you're saying that if you, in any way, affect any shared resource with a non-self-found character that immediately invalidates the self-found status of all the other characters. I understand what you're saying, but I find that to be inherently extreme. Leveling up your crafters with another toon doesn't violate self-found play, not in a game where the crafters are tied to the account. All it does is create an impossible-to-win situation for most players.
Being that technical about things means that muling items in D2 automatically made characters non-self-found too. I think most people simply would not agree with that at all as most self-found players agree that trading items between your characters is legit self-found gameplay.
Did you purchase those bank tabs on a non-self-found character? Whole account isn't self-found now. Something about that sounds simply asinine.
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I understand your line of thinking, but it just doesn't hold up as a hard-and-fast rule.
Take the following for instance:
I have a self-found character [A] and a non-self-found character [B] on the same account.
I have 100 million gold from picking stuff up and vendoring it.
B sells a perfect Mempo for 750 million, bringing my stash up to 850 million.
If A never spends touches that 750 million (ie: the only toon that takes the stash under 750 million is the AH toon), what's the big deal? He hasn't dipped into AH gold.
This also applies to the stash. If you somehow used AH gold on your first toon to buy stash spots, that means your whole account is not self-found from now on? That might sound LOGICAL, but it's really just being stupidly restrictive. Some people choose to go self-found after they already played a toon and used the AH. Are you somehow supposed to "erase" all your gold, your stash and artisan progress? Are you somehow supposed to audit yourself and figure out a way to remove the non-self-found gold and then continue? Are you seriously telling me that once you sell an item on the AH you have to go start a new account?
Aside from being completely un-verifiable, it's heavy-handed and arbitrary.
If B buys some items on the AH which helps him go from MP1 to MP 7, do you have to audit out the gold differential in those piles so that A can't touch "that" gold? Where does the stupidity end and common sense take over? People play this shit for fun, not to have a bunch of nerds on the forums telling them that their definition of "self-found" isn't hardcore enough.
Does self-found mean you have to play with other self-found characters? If you play with an AH toon aren't their AH purchases directly assisting you?
How do you "enforce" any of this? It's easy for a player to not use the AH and not trade. That's something they ultimately have control over. But all this other shit, you are setting up a system where someone can't even join a public game because they're afraid that some jerk on the internet will tell them they're not self-found anymore.
By that logic you can't be self-found, ever, unless your first toon was self-found.
Why? Essentially you're saying that if you, in any way, affect any shared resource with a non-self-found character that immediately invalidates the self-found status of all the other characters. I understand what you're saying, but I find that to be inherently extreme. Leveling up your crafters with another toon doesn't violate self-found play, not in a game where the crafters are tied to the account. All it does is create an impossible-to-win situation for most players.
Being that technical about things means that muling items in D2 automatically made characters non-self-found too. I think most people simply would not agree with that at all as most self-found players agree that trading items between your characters is legit self-found gameplay.
Did you purchase those bank tabs on a non-self-found character? Whole account isn't self-found now. Something about that sounds simply asinine.