I pretty much ignore boxart threads anymore. Too many look like crap to go clicking every one of them. Plus nobody listens when anyone except Jetrall or Atru tries to give help, and even then not always...
Mine says "Trag'Oul's Right Hand". I was trying to point out that mine can also have that style, as can any. So voting for Zakarum just for that is stupid...
Also, for some reason I thought that was atru who made that... It was you? I'm impressed.
Specter 0 Serf 1-9 Villager 10-24 Militia 25-49 Man at Arms 50-99 Swordsman 100-199 The Knight 200-499 The Knight of the Realm 500-999 The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499 The Conjurer 1500-1999 The Hero 2000-2999 The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499 Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
That's what I made. I called it Sanctuary's ranks, they started calling it Rathma ranks.
Also, mine can go with "The Knight of the Order of the Dragon" or "The Knight of The Dragon" or even "Knight of the Dragon"...
Anyway, gonna make a preview with the quest of my ranks now...
But whatever they're fighting for would be their "good", wouldn't it? Like the Necromancers fighting to keep the balance of life and death- the balance is their "good". And how can you fight "neutral"? If you're neutral, you aren't taking a side, and can't fight for anything. I guess this isn't really the point of the thread, though. I'm not exactly relishing the whole "skill icon" thing- I much prefer the quest icons.
And if we were going for a Gothic look here, there should definitely be some stained glass! I love that stuff.
If you want to get technical (And believe me, I can get technical), there is no evil. Nobody fights for what they believe is evil, thus everyone is good. Hell is good, Heaven is good, and Sanctuary is good.
As for not taking a side, your fighting for the survival of Sanctuary. If Heaven wins, it's going to probably be the end of life because of the sheer scale of order. If Hell wins, the chaos would drive the mortals to destruction. The mortals have been coerced to both Heaven and Hell, where niether Heaven nor Hell have there best intrests in mind. (Sure, they can SAY that they have Sanctuary's best intrest in mind, but saying and acting are two different things.)
I'm not following you. To me it seems that the Zakarum represent both good and evil, because the Zakarum influence in the West is not corrupted, while the Zakarum influence in the East is. As far as we know, the ranks for the Zakarum are the same in both East and West regions. Well, okay, we really don't know what they are in the East, but if its the same order then you'd think they would have the same ranks. 'Cantor' and Heirophant' and 'Sexton' aren't evil words, they are just different positions in a church, whatever that church is for. What would be the 'evil' and 'good' versions of the Zakarum ranks? I thought they would be the same?
On the other hand, 'Knights' are either seen as holy or neutral. While it is possible to have evil knights, it only really happens when there is an evil name put infront of it, like 'Doom Knight'.
Exactly! They represent good and evil. They represent Heaven and Hell. There is no middle ground for them.
As for Knights, a Knight fights for what he/she believes in, thus it could be good or bad or neutral.
Personally I think we should have one that takes Sanctuary's neutral aspects into consideration, much like what Atrumentis has said. I don't know if I like the Zakarum as a base for it, though it would be original. I do like the idea of having Nephalem as the "final rank". I definately think that should be the end.
I personally don't really like the Zakarum for a base either, mostly because alot of people have shown to be for either Heaven or Hell, meaning that they would clash with either Eastern or Western Zakarum. But apparently that doesn't phase some...
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If something is good and bad isn't it neutral? The Zakarum is both. Western Zakarum is good, Eastern Zakarum is bad (I.E corrupted by Mephisto)
If something is good then it is good, not bad. Lol. Just because one group of a bigger group is good and the other is bad doesn't make the bigger group neutral, it just makes the bigger group divided among itself. That's like saying DiabloFans is divided among itself, which is defeating the goal of alot of these public works programs that you and Jetrall are trying to do.
Personally I would like to see a holy and an evil set of Zakarum ranks, and sense that is not possible, it really kinda makes me not want to see them at all...
Wow... Guess my list lost... Guess Trag'Oul's not very popular in these parts...
Well anyway if you have to have pictures, why not A) have them the same hieght as the text, or have the text inside the picture at the bottom of the picture?
Yup. Sorry about changing them so much like that. I was looking for the best neutral thing I could find. Similar to the one we have now except less generic, more Diablo-esque, and more favoring Sanctuary rather then Heaven or Hell.
Link has come up with a bit of a neutral-holy list. Someone else could come up with an evil list.
I wouldn't really call it neutral-holy. Or add holy at all. It's more of a pure neutral, as I could fully see Rathma going and fighting Heaven or Hell, should either want to attack Sanctuary...
Where did you get that idea? I'm just giving my opinion that giving credit to people with more posts is something which is flawed. But oh well, do what you like for the people that still care about it for some strange unlogical reason.
That is why alot of worthless threads are put into spam..
But yes, I agree that it is a flawwed system. But most systems would have a flaw, and this is probably a better system then most, even if it is not the best..
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So...Your suggesting drop the ranking all togethor?
That's a good idea, though I doubt many would go for it...
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I personally love LinkX's list. It really "knocks the ball out of the park" if ya know what I mean.
Yes, well it's going to change as I think about it more. I already did a crapload of edits to it.
Here's the newest version: Specter 0 Serf 1-9
Peasant 10-24 Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99 Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999 The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499 The Conjurer 1500-1999 The Hero 2000-2999 The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499 Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
Yea, shameless advertising for my list. Go shoot me.
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-Peasant (Villein or Serf) (Peasant's cannot leave their lord's land)
-Villager (or Freeman) (A Freeman is free to move about the land as he pleases, settling in any village he wants to).
Gah. Ok changing!
Specter 0 Serf 1-9 Villager 10-24 Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99 Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999 The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499 The Conjurer 1500-1999 The Hero 2000-2999 The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499 Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
As for the militia, man at arms, etc, it's asumed at that point they haven't really come to follow Trag'Oul yet, so to speak.
Specter 0 Serf 1-9
Peasant 10-24 Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99 Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999 The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499 (Replaces The Knight of the Order) The Conjurer 1500-1999 (Replaces The Cavalier) The Hero 2000-2999 (Replaces The Paladin) The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499 Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
Here is an updated version of what I am thinking of. Again, blue is moved, red is removed, and green is new.
I know Atrumentis is going to come in and rip me appart with facts that nobody knows but him, but...
I probably wouldn't say Trang'Oul's the strongest. I'd probably put him even with the Prime Evils and the Angis Council... Thing is, while the Prime Evils are over Hell and the Angis Council is over Heaven, Trang'Oul's the top dog of Sanctuary.
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Also, for some reason I thought that was atru who made that... It was you? I'm impressed.
Can't wait? Well then here it is:
(Hope you don't mind Elfen, I used your portrait as well. Lol.)
I can make it look better, but Atru would probably do better, as he probably has the skin of the forum, while I just have to improvise...
Serf 1-9
Villager 10-24
Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99
Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999
The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499
The Conjurer 1500-1999
The Hero 2000-2999
The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499
Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
That's what I made. I called it Sanctuary's ranks, they started calling it Rathma ranks.
Also, mine can go with "The Knight of the Order of the Dragon" or "The Knight of The Dragon" or even "Knight of the Dragon"...
Anyway, gonna make a preview with the quest of my ranks now...
I'll make a preview of what the Rathma ranks would look like with the skill/quest images when I get online later. (No photoshop on the Wii. Lol...)
If you want to get technical (And believe me, I can get technical), there is no evil. Nobody fights for what they believe is evil, thus everyone is good. Hell is good, Heaven is good, and Sanctuary is good.
As for not taking a side, your fighting for the survival of Sanctuary. If Heaven wins, it's going to probably be the end of life because of the sheer scale of order. If Hell wins, the chaos would drive the mortals to destruction. The mortals have been coerced to both Heaven and Hell, where niether Heaven nor Hell have there best intrests in mind. (Sure, they can SAY that they have Sanctuary's best intrest in mind, but saying and acting are two different things.)
But knowing this forum...
Exactly! They represent good and evil. They represent Heaven and Hell. There is no middle ground for them.
As for Knights, a Knight fights for what he/she believes in, thus it could be good or bad or neutral.
I personally don't really like the Zakarum for a base either, mostly because alot of people have shown to be for either Heaven or Hell, meaning that they would clash with either Eastern or Western Zakarum. But apparently that doesn't phase some...
If something is good then it is good, not bad. Lol. Just because one group of a bigger group is good and the other is bad doesn't make the bigger group neutral, it just makes the bigger group divided among itself. That's like saying DiabloFans is divided among itself, which is defeating the goal of alot of these public works programs that you and Jetrall are trying to do.
Personally I would like to see a holy and an evil set of Zakarum ranks, and sense that is not possible, it really kinda makes me not want to see them at all...
Well anyway if you have to have pictures, why not A) have them the same hieght as the text, or have the text inside the picture at the bottom of the picture?
I wouldn't really call it neutral-holy. Or add holy at all. It's more of a pure neutral, as I could fully see Rathma going and fighting Heaven or Hell, should either want to attack Sanctuary...
That is why alot of worthless threads are put into spam..
But yes, I agree that it is a flawwed system. But most systems would have a flaw, and this is probably a better system then most, even if it is not the best..
That's a good idea, though I doubt many would go for it...
Yes, well it's going to change as I think about it more. I already did a crapload of edits to it.
Here's the newest version:
Specter 0
Serf 1-9
Peasant 10-24
Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99
Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999
The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499
The Conjurer 1500-1999
The Hero 2000-2999
The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499
Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
Yea, shameless advertising for my list. Go shoot me.
Gah. Ok changing!
Specter 0
Serf 1-9
Villager 10-24
Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99
Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999
The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499
The Conjurer 1500-1999
The Hero 2000-2999
The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499
Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
As for the militia, man at arms, etc, it's asumed at that point they haven't really come to follow Trag'Oul yet, so to speak.
Well you can't really be Diablo or something... I like the idea of being the "Right Hand" personally. The go-to guy.
Serf 1-9
Peasant 10-24
Militia 25-49
Man at Arms 50-99
Swordsman 100-199
The Knight 200-499
The Knight of the Realm 500-999
The Knight of the Order of the Dragon 1000-1499 (Replaces The Knight of the Order)
The Conjurer 1500-1999 (Replaces The Cavalier)
The Hero 2000-2999 (Replaces The Paladin)
The Hero of Khanduras 3000-4499
Trag'Ouls Right Hand 4500+
Here is an updated version of what I am thinking of. Again, blue is moved, red is removed, and green is new.
I probably wouldn't say Trang'Oul's the strongest. I'd probably put him even with the Prime Evils and the Angis Council... Thing is, while the Prime Evils are over Hell and the Angis Council is over Heaven, Trang'Oul's the top dog of Sanctuary.