A piece of the puzzle is still missing. Even with loot 2.0 and the mystic allowing you to reroll 1 stat to be better but making it boa, there will still be items that are better than others. If they leave trading in completely then people will just start using 3rd party sites to find the things they want which will just make scams rise. Maybe they will also restrict trading to only be with people that are in your party when the item drops like WoW does for most bop gear.
There's no problem with 3rd party sites, trading through forums (official trade forum, D2JSP, DFans trade section), trade channel, or occasional trading with friends.
The problem was that "in your face" mentality that the AH was literally easier to enter than a new game (1 click vs 2 clicks). Imagine all the new game-breaking items of Loot 2.0; there's no point if you can just buy everything in a split second.
Of course you can get all of this through other trading channels. But it's spread everywhere - some will use public trade channels, some will use 3rd party scam sites, some will use the official forum, some D2JSP, ... and so on. Items will be everywhere, there won't be one central source for distributing everything anymore.
Furthermore, people will stop to put up everything. Right now, people even put up items that yield 3000 gold (I bought a really nice amulet for my friend's monk for just 3279 gold last night, simply winning the bid as only bidder). With the additional hassle and the required time investment, all items below a certain threshold will just disappear, which in turn will slow down item dissemination. There will even be people salvaging really good items because they don't care. I played D2 for 10+ years and never traded publicly, I probably threw loads of items at Gheed that were worth many PGs or even high runes, but I didn't care, and I still don't.
In the end, we will go back to something similar as in D2: many people are so annoyed by the D3 AH experience that they will go back to D2 self-found (incl. trading with friends). Many will miss the AH and create a new, unofficial AH (eventually, one popular website will become the new AH, and it might very well be D2JSP, unless they make some huge mistakes). Some might occasionally trade since they have tasted what it's like now; so the trading community will be bigger than it was back in D2, but not as big as it is now.
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Josh Mosquera has just lost 95 points on my respect scale. Pity, he was looking much more promising than Jay Wilson.
No worries, he earned over 9000 points on my respect scale.
Not sure why everyone is celebrating. This could easily be the worse thing possible to happen to the game. Does no one understand how reliant we'll be on crafting mats in RoS? Does nobody remember how annoying trading was in d2, with all the spam? Does no one remember how absolutely FRAUSTRATING it was to find the low level dueling peice? How about all the bot spam?
On the other hand, The AH-barons really, really ruined the game and it was the "correct" way to gear up, which really sucked.
I don't care about AH barons, the annoyance of trading, bots, spam, and whatever. But the AH made loot too easily accessible and whenever you found an item, it was just a question whether or not it's worth enough to put it up on the AH. It wasn't about "does this item improve my character" but "does this item yield some gold on the AH such that I can buy another upgrade".
There will be AH alternatives, many of them. But there will never ever be a system again that is so easy and "in your face" like the AH right now. And that is good.
Remember that they'll increase the legendary drop rate by a factor of 6. With the AH in place, everyone would have access to every "game-changing" legendary item immediately.
Jay Wilson: In the end, it was a mortal heart that saved two worlds from ruin and casted down AH forever. A new day breaks for both Blizzard and fans. For mankind's greatest champion, Josh rose to confront the darkness that we in our pride would not face. My brethen, I will take my place amongst you once again but this time not as lead designer. Since justice has been met this day I will now stand as one of Titan's developer. on behave of those who risked all to save us, forevermore, we shall stand together Blizzard and fans in the light of this glorious new dawn.
Just FYI: long before Josh became game director, Jay Wilson admitted in an interview that the AH was the biggest mistake ever made and if they could, they would take it back (he wasn't game director anymore at the time).
EDIT: I have to mention, MOST awesome items ingame in RoS are going to be soulbound so trading will just cut down in general.
Nope, with the removal of the AH there's no need for BoA anymore. Many people (including me and all of my friends) will not use any dodgy 3rd party trading sites. With the "in your face" trading system absent, I'm officially completely back to self-found, finally.
Trade with your friends, you tight arse!
Oh sorry - trading with friends was always included in my broad definition of self-found ;-) Like in D2, we always had matching characters so that someone could always make use of an item, but we never engaged in public trading. So all this upcoming QQ about the uprising of bots and trade channel spam... couldn't care less
Man, this is so awesome. I haven't been that excited since the day D3 was announced.
EDIT: I have to mention, MOST awesome items ingame in RoS are going to be soulbound so trading will just cut down in general.
Nope, with the removal of the AH there's no need for BoA anymore. Many people (including me and all of my friends) will not use any dodgy 3rd party trading sites. With the "in your face" trading system absent, I'm officially completely back to self-found, finally.
Dear Diablo Fan... err, Johnnyxp64,
Sexton is a rank, not a user name. I got confused with it in the beginning, too ;-)
There's no problem with 3rd party sites, trading through forums (official trade forum, D2JSP, DFans trade section), trade channel, or occasional trading with friends.
The problem was that "in your face" mentality that the AH was literally easier to enter than a new game (1 click vs 2 clicks). Imagine all the new game-breaking items of Loot 2.0; there's no point if you can just buy everything in a split second.
Of course you can get all of this through other trading channels. But it's spread everywhere - some will use public trade channels, some will use 3rd party scam sites, some will use the official forum, some D2JSP, ... and so on. Items will be everywhere, there won't be one central source for distributing everything anymore.
Furthermore, people will stop to put up everything. Right now, people even put up items that yield 3000 gold (I bought a really nice amulet for my friend's monk for just 3279 gold last night, simply winning the bid as only bidder). With the additional hassle and the required time investment, all items below a certain threshold will just disappear, which in turn will slow down item dissemination. There will even be people salvaging really good items because they don't care. I played D2 for 10+ years and never traded publicly, I probably threw loads of items at Gheed that were worth many PGs or even high runes, but I didn't care, and I still don't.
In the end, we will go back to something similar as in D2: many people are so annoyed by the D3 AH experience that they will go back to D2 self-found (incl. trading with friends). Many will miss the AH and create a new, unofficial AH (eventually, one popular website will become the new AH, and it might very well be D2JSP, unless they make some huge mistakes). Some might occasionally trade since they have tasted what it's like now; so the trading community will be bigger than it was back in D2, but not as big as it is now.
No worries, he earned over 9000 points on my respect scale.
I don't care about AH barons, the annoyance of trading, bots, spam, and whatever. But the AH made loot too easily accessible and whenever you found an item, it was just a question whether or not it's worth enough to put it up on the AH. It wasn't about "does this item improve my character" but "does this item yield some gold on the AH such that I can buy another upgrade".
There will be AH alternatives, many of them. But there will never ever be a system again that is so easy and "in your face" like the AH right now. And that is good.
Remember that they'll increase the legendary drop rate by a factor of 6. With the AH in place, everyone would have access to every "game-changing" legendary item immediately.
Just FYI: long before Josh became game director, Jay Wilson admitted in an interview that the AH was the biggest mistake ever made and if they could, they would take it back (he wasn't game director anymore at the time).
Oh sorry - trading with friends was always included in my broad definition of self-found ;-) Like in D2, we always had matching characters so that someone could always make use of an item, but we never engaged in public trading. So all this upcoming QQ about the uprising of bots and trade channel spam... couldn't care less
Man, this is so awesome. I haven't been that excited since the day D3 was announced.
I think this means the Loot 2.0/Paragon 2.0 patch will happen on 3-18-14. RoS May/June.
Nope, with the removal of the AH there's no need for BoA anymore. Many people (including me and all of my friends) will not use any dodgy 3rd party trading sites. With the "in your face" trading system absent, I'm officially completely back to self-found, finally.