I am insulted by you people having an obnoxious need to turn everything into an argument instead of just assuming priori.
And there we have the problem with people who don't understand the modern contextual basis of threaded forums. If I was addressing encryption, I was replying to whoever was claiming the disc would be encrypted, those comments were not contextually directed at you.
Unfortunately when you quote my posts and then use the word "you", you're generally speaking about me.
My logic is simple:
Blizzard doesn't want their whole client datamined prior to release. They know that people will get the retail early, possibly up to a week. If they allow a full install, then they defeat their own plan of keeping everything a secret. All they have to do is include a simple time lock on the installer that pings their servers and checks the time and status. There is zero information about a datamined retail client.
Where do you think the list of endgame bosses came from?
At this point you're just being deliberately obtuse.
Typed "Diablo 3 end game bosses" into Google and nothing came up. Go ahead and forward all your secret information to my email: clawixp@yahoo.com.
I am insulted by you people having an obnoxious need to turn everything into an argument instead of just assuming priori.
And there we have the problem with people who don't understand the modern contextual basis of threaded forums. If I was addressing encryption, I was replying to whoever was claiming the disc would be encrypted, those comments were not contextually directed at you.
Unfortunately when you quote my posts and then use the word "you", you're generally speaking about me.
My logic is simple:
Blizzard doesn't want their whole client datamined prior to release. They know that people will get the retail early, possibly up to a week. If they allow a full install, then they defeat their own plan of keeping everything a secret. All they have to do is include a simple time lock on the installer that pings their servers and checks the time and status. There is zero information about a datamined retail client.
It's not the kind of news that makes headlines bro, it's kindof illegal. Are you too stupid to go look for yourself? I can't show you, it would get me banned.
No need for insults, bro. I have looked... and I see NOTHING about a full retail client being datamined. Only the stuff from the Beta. And the file on TPB is the same thing that I downloaded from B.net.
You're not that smart then, that's all there is to it douche. The game isn't breaking the standards of every Blizz release before it. You have not produced any anecdotal or direct evidence, I have blue quotes strongly implying I am right. Deal with it, you have a problem. The disc isn't encrypted.
Send me a PM then. Or send it to clawixp@yahoo.com.
But you could just be making it all up.
I never said anything about disk encryption. All I said was there might be a time lock on the installer. No need to throw personal insults.
It's not the kind of news that makes headlines bro, it's kindof illegal. Are you too stupid to go look for yourself? I can't show you, it would get me banned.
No need for insults, bro. I have looked... and I see NOTHING about a full retail client being datamined. Only the stuff from the Beta. And the file on TPB is the same thing that I downloaded from B.net.
But there is no encryption of the physical copy. So I can install right once I get home. And I might even be able to play on one of the other regions while waiting for the US servers to go up. But don't trust me on that last part. I am not even sure if you can play on another region early with the physical copy.
Hate to burst your bubble, but physical copies are encrypted by Blizzard as well. Otherwise the story would be public by now. People who got their SC2 copies earlier than release day can attest to that
I know nothing of these SC2 copies being sent earlier. So I can not attest to such a thing. But explain to me why Blizzard WOULD encrypt the physical copies when the majority will be bought after the servers go live? It makes more sense to leave them unencrypted so that you don't waste disc space. Plus you have to login to a realm server to play the game so the encryption would not do much. Obviously that is a different matter with the Digital because people would have time to hack it and play early.
Because if they allow people to fully install the game prior to release, then those people can access the data files and release all sorts of information before the game is released. All they have to do is include a very small program that checks the server status prior to install.
But there is no encryption of the physical copy. So I can install right once I get home. And I might even be able to play on one of the other regions while waiting for the US servers to go up. But don't trust me on that last part. I am not even sure if you can play on another region early with the physical copy.
Hate to burst your bubble, but physical copies are encrypted by Blizzard as well. Otherwise the story would be public by now. People who got their SC2 copies earlier than release day can attest to that
I know nothing of these SC2 copies being sent earlier. So I can not attest to such a thing. But explain to me why Blizzard WOULD encrypt the physical copies when the majority will be bought after the servers go live? It makes more sense to leave them unencrypted so that you don't waste disc space. Plus you have to login to a realm server to play the game so the encryption would not do much. Obviously that is a different matter with the Digital because people would have time to hack it and play early.
Because if they allow people to fully install the game prior to release, then those people can access the data files and release all sorts of information before the game is released. All they have to do is include a very small program that checks the server status prior to install.
Again, people who have the discs already have cracked the release, and there's even an emulator program you can use to spoof monster stat-server. As in, the entire game is available on TheStealin'Bay, and you can download it and play it in full specifically because the discs weren't encrypted. If they were nobody would be able to data-mine any information at all because the data would be encrypted.
We already have datamined info that describes every boss, every area, and the secret area included in the game. The catch being, that since without Blizz servers to supply the tables, you can't play. As such, nobody knows if the secret cow level's function titles are a joke or... serious; for example. I hope they're serious, because that would be hilarious. Murdering them, that is. Excellent idea.
You do not understand what encryption is. If the disc was encrypted it would take easily twice as long to install. The bar you watch the installer go through is purely the time needed to spend unpacking the data and copying it. If you added decryption on top of that people with slower system would be looking at five-six hour install times.
For the last time. The. Disc. Is. Not. Encrypted. Stop trying to argue, you're making a fool of yourself.
Or they could put a restriction on the installer to check the server status. Much like Steam does for their unlocks. The other dude was talking about encrypting the disk.
You're both wrong. Baishok told me otherwise. You can install the game before the launch, and trying to log in will give you a message. In effect, you're arguing with what a blue told me, so I'm just leaving it at that.
I'm one of those people who had the SCII disk before release. You could install the game, but not log in.
Generally the sort of claim you follow with a source.
And you aren't? I quoted a Blue?
The disc isn't encrypted. I have my Starcraft 2 disc in my disc drive right here. It's isn't encrypted. I don't think you know what encryption is. I have presented you with a literal mountain of anecdotal and direct evidence. If that's not enough for you, you're trying to disagree, just because you have a problem with being wrong, or something.
I didn't say anything about Starcraft. All I said was that it was possible that they wouldn't let you completely install the game prior to server unlocks. I could be wrong, I might not be wrong. Also, the quote you said came from before they announced a staggered release so something may have changed prior to the printing of the disks. He implied earlier in the thread that everyone would play at midnight, which we know now is not the case. Stuff changes.
And also, where's your source on the game already being leaked and people playing through an empty Act 4? Seems like that would have been bigger news.
But there is no encryption of the physical copy. So I can install right once I get home. And I might even be able to play on one of the other regions while waiting for the US servers to go up. But don't trust me on that last part. I am not even sure if you can play on another region early with the physical copy.
Hate to burst your bubble, but physical copies are encrypted by Blizzard as well. Otherwise the story would be public by now. People who got their SC2 copies earlier than release day can attest to that
I know nothing of these SC2 copies being sent earlier. So I can not attest to such a thing. But explain to me why Blizzard WOULD encrypt the physical copies when the majority will be bought after the servers go live? It makes more sense to leave them unencrypted so that you don't waste disc space. Plus you have to login to a realm server to play the game so the encryption would not do much. Obviously that is a different matter with the Digital because people would have time to hack it and play early.
Because if they allow people to fully install the game prior to release, then those people can access the data files and release all sorts of information before the game is released. All they have to do is include a very small program that checks the server status prior to install.
guys guys guys. the whole point of blizzard making diablo 3 entirely online is so that they can control who goes online when. if you get the physical copy early, sure, you can probably install the full client before people with digital downloads, but you wont be able to get online or play the game at ALL because you cant log on!
now, quit arguing please and just post stuff to distract me from the clock
All I'm saying is that it is highly likely that when you click INSTALL on your physical copy, the game will ping the server to see if it is online.
You're both wrong. Baishok told me otherwise. You can install the game before the launch, and trying to log in will give you a message. In effect, you're arguing with what a blue told me, so I'm just leaving it at that.
I'm one of those people who had the SCII disk before release. You could install the game, but not log in.
Generally the sort of claim you follow with a source.
Agreed. I live in the Central Time Zone so I will be going to the midnight release so I can play when servers go live. I will not wait two hours for the encryption to go out and then another two for installation.
You'll still have to download the same stuff as everyone else.
But there is no encryption of the physical copy. So I can install right once I get home. And I might even be able to play on one of the other regions while waiting for the US servers to go up. But don't trust me on that last part. I am not even sure if you can play on another region early with the physical copy.
And your reason for believing there is no encryption on the retail version is....?
Agreed. I live in the Central Time Zone so I will be going to the midnight release so I can play when servers go live. I will not wait two hours for the encryption to go out and then another two for installation.
You'll still have to download the same stuff as everyone else.
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Typed "Diablo 3 end game bosses" into Google and nothing came up. Go ahead and forward all your secret information to my email: clawixp@yahoo.com.
Unfortunately when you quote my posts and then use the word "you", you're generally speaking about me.
My logic is simple:
Blizzard doesn't want their whole client datamined prior to release. They know that people will get the retail early, possibly up to a week. If they allow a full install, then they defeat their own plan of keeping everything a secret. All they have to do is include a simple time lock on the installer that pings their servers and checks the time and status. There is zero information about a datamined retail client.
Did that. Whole bunch of beta links.
Send me a PM then. Or send it to clawixp@yahoo.com.
But you could just be making it all up.
I never said anything about disk encryption. All I said was there might be a time lock on the installer. No need to throw personal insults.
No need for insults, bro. I have looked... and I see NOTHING about a full retail client being datamined. Only the stuff from the Beta. And the file on TPB is the same thing that I downloaded from B.net.
Or they could put a restriction on the installer to check the server status. Much like Steam does for their unlocks. The other dude was talking about encrypting the disk.
I didn't say anything about Starcraft. All I said was that it was possible that they wouldn't let you completely install the game prior to server unlocks. I could be wrong, I might not be wrong. Also, the quote you said came from before they announced a staggered release so something may have changed prior to the printing of the disks. He implied earlier in the thread that everyone would play at midnight, which we know now is not the case. Stuff changes.
And also, where's your source on the game already being leaked and people playing through an empty Act 4? Seems like that would have been bigger news.
Because if they allow people to fully install the game prior to release, then those people can access the data files and release all sorts of information before the game is released. All they have to do is include a very small program that checks the server status prior to install.
All I'm saying is that it is highly likely that when you click INSTALL on your physical copy, the game will ping the server to see if it is online.
Generally the sort of claim you follow with a source.
To keep people from installing before Blizzard wants them to like with the digital.
Shocking concept, I know.
And your reason for believing there is no encryption on the retail version is....?
You'll still have to download the same stuff as everyone else.