So far from what I've read your biggest argument against PKing is that they disrupt your social interaction with other players. Therefore preventing you from making a lasting relationship with someone online. You're forced to roam a lonely existence from game to game wishing and hoping no one will bust in a interrupt your precious cooperative experience EVEN though you have easy, simple to use tools at your disposal to prevent this from happening. You simply cannot adapt and are left in the cold.
I am not trying to insult you. But there is a reason why the phrase "carebear" was coined and you pretty much sum it up perfectly.
Oh for the love of God. Can you stop talking to me? I don't even want to associate myself with someone like you anymore.
I played a PvP server in WoW until lvl 70 (yes you literally get camped for hours sometimes) then I got bored and quit, but yes sure I'm a carebear because I'd rather focus on playing cooperatively than stupidly having to make my games private and hide in town when a higher level PK comes in.
Ganking was stupid on WoW, I dealt with it. Do I want to have to deal with it again? No, not at all.
It's not that I CAN'T adapt, because I did. In D2 I stayed away from PKs for the most part, it doesn't mean I should have to change my harmless minding my own business gameplay so some griefer can get his jollies off knowing he disrupted another good time.
It show's just what the majority of PKs are about.
Deceiving, using third party programs, expecting people to bend to your flimsy excuses like "it's a gameplay mechanic!", reveling in others grief because it's "humorous", ambushing people when they are unsuspecting, and expecting people to completely play solo/private games just so you get what you want.
Why should one person get what they want over multiple others complaining when they get killed by the one person?
They shouldn't it's not debatable if you have any common sense. More people = more people to sell products to = more profit.
You want to PK that's great we get that. Blizzard will decide now what happens.
Now, can I leave without you trying to make some passive aggressive comment towards me?
whoa you actually have friends now? cool. maybe you should ask them to come play D2 with you so they can protect you from all the big bad pks running around ruining every game
Yes, because everyone I met on WoW I became best friends with and still talk to, and everyone of those people play D3.
Can you stop addressing me now in your feeble attempt to insult me? I'm trying to leave the discussion on "I guess we agree to disagree".
Quote from "ErU" »
By doing this pvp in D3 better be damn good, fun, and rewarding... as sanctuary is a much safer place now.
btw diabloiii.net has a very interesting column, interview with a pk. I think it's worth reading.
40/60, 45/55. Okay - if you want to be technical. Sure.
WoW numbers show us that the PvP community is alive and well. Having things like PK, PvP and Griefing is good for business. We're talking about millions of potential sales based on that alone. PvP and PK will be in D3.
I'll shoot myself in the foot when D3 comes out and I'm proven wrong.
PVP is NOT the same as PK and griefing. PKing is a sorry excuse for PvPing for people that can't handle a even challenge.
That's why when you were killed by another player your ear dropped? Okay sure what ever you say. I guess the hostile button never really was mean't for PvP huh????
PvP is vastly different from PKing and griefing, you and everyone else knows that.
Some community manager says he doesn't like griefers so everyone should assume PK is out in D3? Right... I wouldn't put my money on that.
You act like using the custom game features is some kind of huge burden on cooperative play. I got a HUGE news flash for you. It actually helps cooperative play. Why?
Here's a two major reasons for you:
Private games with friends
Level restrictions keep unwanted high level players out.
It's nice not being stuck having to join public games all the time. I can actually group with my friends and avoid unwanted hostile players? WOW HOLY CRAP WHAT A CONCEPT. WOW HUGE BURDEN HERE!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at all the people who play on WoW PVP realms. It's close to 50/50. Fact is: People who want PK totally out of the game are an annoying vocal minority and nothing more. Move along.
Good night.
Bashiok didn't just speak for himself, he said:
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[U]We're[/U] - in general - not big [U]fans[/U] of griefing for any game. It's really only "fun" for one person, and that definition of fun isn't generally something [U]we're[/U'] going to want to encourage. It's far more positive to encourage and support meaningful and skillful options and systems within a game, than a mechanic for people to instantly turn against one another for no meaningful gameplay reasons.
If another developer didn't like this statement something would of been said or his post edited.
It's hard to make private games with friends when you can't make friends do to games being interrupted by PKs...
You just shot yourself in the foot. Thanks for proving this.
3,608,091 Non-PvP total
2,406,074 PvP total
50/50? Try again. That's over 1 million more people on Non-PvP.
Sure WE'RE the annoying vocal minority... :rolleyes:
Sweet dreams about killing puppies or whatever it is PKs dream about.
How is my logic flawed? RPGs are based on choices. A PK chooses to go hostile. You, player have any number of tools at your disposal to deal with the threat. Regardless of gear, level, skill.
That's what what made D2 awesome and that's what made WoW awesome. Blizzard would have done away with any sort of "PKing" a long time ago if they didn't think it fit into there version of what an "RPG" is
CLASSIC RPG's are based on choices. New RPG's are based on choices you can make depending on gameplay and what is severely liked/disliked.
If something is severely disliked, it will be fixed or removed.
Learn to play. 6-7 people could easily kill a hammerdin.
Yeah when he hostiles them and pops through his own town portal and begins to spam hammers that do around 11k non elemental AOE damage while they're fighting a boss, you're right they TOTALLY could have easily killed him. :rolleyes:
When you're focused on a boss, the last thing you expect is someone to hop on through the town portal and begin to spam hammers.
I'd suggest you just leave this thread. It's nothing but flame bait, and likely will end up in people getting punished if it continues.
Hopefully the thread gets closed, it's contributing nothing anymore but arguments back and forth about things that have been stated hundreds of times.
Blizzard will decide now.
Big letters makes you cool. :rolleyes:
Stop referencing me, I've asked you many times.
I don't want to be forced to play private games because people can't behave.
Oh for the love of God. Can you stop talking to me? I don't even want to associate myself with someone like you anymore.
I played a PvP server in WoW until lvl 70 (yes you literally get camped for hours sometimes) then I got bored and quit, but yes sure I'm a carebear because I'd rather focus on playing cooperatively than stupidly having to make my games private and hide in town when a higher level PK comes in.
Ganking was stupid on WoW, I dealt with it. Do I want to have to deal with it again? No, not at all.
It's not that I CAN'T adapt, because I did. In D2 I stayed away from PKs for the most part, it doesn't mean I should have to change my harmless minding my own business gameplay so some griefer can get his jollies off knowing he disrupted another good time.
I now suggest you read the page linked by ErU:
http://www.diii.net/columns/671461/bone-appetit-3
It show's just what the majority of PKs are about.
Deceiving, using third party programs, expecting people to bend to your flimsy excuses like "it's a gameplay mechanic!", reveling in others grief because it's "humorous", ambushing people when they are unsuspecting, and expecting people to completely play solo/private games just so you get what you want.
Why should one person get what they want over multiple others complaining when they get killed by the one person?
They shouldn't it's not debatable if you have any common sense. More people = more people to sell products to = more profit.
You want to PK that's great we get that. Blizzard will decide now what happens.
Now, can I leave without you trying to make some passive aggressive comment towards me?
Yes, because everyone I met on WoW I became best friends with and still talk to, and everyone of those people play D3.
Can you stop addressing me now in your feeble attempt to insult me? I'm trying to leave the discussion on "I guess we agree to disagree".
I'll give it a read why not.
Not everyone. I know plenty that were on PvP because they had friends there. Large font doesn't make you cool.
PvP isn't PKing.
I'm done arguing about it. Blizzard will do what they see fit. There is no debating that.
Probably, I honestly don't care much either way. It'd just be nice to see more freedom to play open games and not have PKs crash your party.
You think they all play PvP servers because they like being killed?...
Some play because they have friends on PvP servers, that's the only reason I stayed on a PvP server until I quit.
Well all argument about PKing aside, that's the old developer, we have new ones now with a different vision in mind.
Also we saw what happened with PvP/PKing in Hellgate: London so apparently they didn't stay true to themselves.
You think they all play PvP servers because they like being killed?...
Some play because they have friends on PvP servers, that's the only reason I stayed on a PvP server until I quit.
PVP is NOT the same as PK and griefing. PKing is a sorry excuse for PvPing for people that can't handle a even challenge.
PvP is vastly different from PKing and griefing, you and everyone else knows that.
If another developer didn't like this statement something would of been said or his post edited.
It's hard to make private games with friends when you can't make friends do to games being interrupted by PKs...
You just shot yourself in the foot. Thanks for proving this.
3,608,091 Non-PvP total
2,406,074 PvP total
50/50? Try again. That's over 1 million more people on Non-PvP.
Sure WE'RE the annoying vocal minority... :rolleyes:
Sweet dreams about killing puppies or whatever it is PKs dream about.
Isn't that the OLD developer...?
/facepalm
Have you even read what Bashiok has said about it?
Screw indication, he flat out said they don't like griefers.
Sure PKing was preventable, at great expense of the cooperative gameplay experience.
Sack up and stop crying because PK is going to be removed. :rolleyes: Isn't it fun to try to insult eachother based on our beliefs of a game?
CLASSIC RPG's are based on choices. New RPG's are based on choices you can make depending on gameplay and what is severely liked/disliked.
If something is severely disliked, it will be fixed or removed.
Yeah when he hostiles them and pops through his own town portal and begins to spam hammers that do around 11k non elemental AOE damage while they're fighting a boss, you're right they TOTALLY could have easily killed him. :rolleyes:
When you're focused on a boss, the last thing you expect is someone to hop on through the town portal and begin to spam hammers.
Do I really need to elaborate?