What long term goal are you referring to? D2 never had one, it never needed one. I wish people would understand what the Hack and Slash Genre is. You farm to mix/max your character and push yourself and that's pretty much it. The end game is what YOU make of it. D2 received very small patches throughout its lifetime so compared to Diablo 3 they've gone above and beyond improving this game when they really don't need to at all anymore. I was a huge critic of this game when it shipped because it was garage and terribly imbalanced but they've made tons of great changes. The game does need a viable form of PVP or world PVP where you can just go outside of town and duel. That is the ''end game'' people wanted in diablo 2. You got leveled up min/maxed your gear and PVP'd and that was that.
D2 totally did. Did you ever try making a rune word without trading for all of the duped runes floating around? It was a long term goal to try to gather the runes needed to create the RW you desired. But, since there were ways to always be working toward that goal (countess runes, hell forge ,the pit, etc), you could make progress on it steadily.
Paragon and legendary gems are attempts at this, but at least to me, they don't feel like quite enough. Just because they've done well at improving the game from launch doesn't mean there isn't more that can be done, even if it comes via another expansion.
Also, as with everything, sweeping statements lend don't strengthen an argument. Things like, "That is the ''end game'' people wanted in diablo 2. You got leveled up min/maxed your gear and PVP'd and that was that." While that was true for some people, there are also plenty of people who never touched PVP in D2 and still managed to play it quite a bit. There is no one "right" way to play the game.
Okay so you just said that hunting for items (runes) was end game. So
substitute that rune for whatever ancient item of your set piece of
have..and its now the same argument. Min/maxing your character for the
best possible setup is the end game. You've just given me the exact
same scenario but in diablo 2 terms..both are exactly interchangeable so
what are you trying to argue? As far as my statement about PVP, okay
PVP aside, you min-maxed your character to destroy PVE and that was the
"End game". Your argument literally makes zero sense because again as I stated, the end game for people is what YOU make of it.
2) There was a long term goal that players could work toward while farming.
This is exacly what D3 needs, currently everyone plays for few weeks since start of season/patch and after that theres nothin'g to do if u aren't super hardcore and not going for top 10 gr ladder.
We need more interesting ways to improve that aren't 100% luck based (no, flat main stat increase isn't interesting) and need more variety in games, mby some weekly challenges mby some gr alternatives.
What long term goal are you referring to? D2 never had one, it never needed one. I wish people would understand what the Hack and Slash Genre is. You farm to mix/max your character and push yourself and that's pretty much it. The end game is what YOU make of it. D2 received very small patches throughout its lifetime so compared to Diablo 3 they've gone above and beyond improving this game when they really don't need to at all anymore. I was a huge critic of this game when it shipped because it was garage and terribly imbalanced but they've made tons of great changes. The game does need a viable form of PVP or world PVP where you can just go outside of town and duel. That is the ''end game'' people wanted in diablo 2. You got leveled up min/maxed your gear and PVP'd and that was that.
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Okay so you just said that hunting for items (runes) was end game. So
substitute that rune for whatever ancient item of your set piece of
have..and its now the same argument. Min/maxing your character for the
best possible setup is the end game. You've just given me the exact
same scenario but in diablo 2 terms..both are exactly interchangeable so
what are you trying to argue? As far as my statement about PVP, okay
PVP aside, you min-maxed your character to destroy PVE and that was the
"End game". Your argument literally makes zero sense because again as I stated, the end game for people is what YOU make of it.