Prince of Persia and Red Alert got really fucked up. They're fun, but they're also totally goofy.
I'm especially pissed about PoP. I thought they really outdid themselves with Warrior Within. That radical style and atmosphere was perfect for the series.
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
First of all I'm pretty sure no one has said "it's not changed"(making it pretty impossible for anyone to get "served"). Secondly, Bill Roper said D2 was leaning more towards photo realistic, grit has nothing to do with realism. Something completely abstract can still be gritty. Thirdly, served? Really?
Why are you taking this so at heart? Oh, I know. It's beacause you got ser...
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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And unless you're someone who sits there like a fucking nerd and gets annoyed at slight proportion differences, then you'll be someone who enjoys it and likes it.
It is of my opinion that your opinion sucks.
Troll...
Everyone here is behaving like Blizzard is their authoritative mother: Tell me what's good or not mommy.
I'm sorry for hurting your little feelings, by saying your mommy is simply making excuses. Looks like some people are still getting their daily share of breastfeeding...
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
I find it interesting that Bill isn't upset with the graphics.
Is he supposed to throw chairs around, shout out loud and hold long speeches about D3's "evil"?
He's like:
- Yeah, you fucked up, it bothers me, but I can't do anything about it. I took pride in the way Diablo jumped away visually from the other Blizzard titles, but whatever. I lost my previous company so I've got bigger worries right now. I would like to tell you about my new game etc.
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
People who complain about stupid ass things, FTW. God, I can't believe someone is sitting there crying about "realism" when we're going to be battling demons and dark lords using magical weapons and armor. Give me a break. What was realistic about the flat, 2D grittiness of Diablo 2?
Diablo 2 had a 3D dimension. It's not like it was tetris. Irrelevant to the point as well.
D2 uses 20x more realistic imaging than D3. Same goes for Diablo 1. They are plain to see. Open your eyes.
What's real about bland, oddly shaped characters?
Diablo 3 looks like it will resemble a water-color painting... with dark tones and splattered blood perhaps, but with unnatural-looking dimensions of both the models and the entire environment.
Unnatural=unrealistic
Unrealistic=not-believable
Not-believable=Not Diablo
Not Diablo=something else
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
Regarding realism in Diablo, Diablo is a fictional game in a fictional world with fictional characters and fictional lore. It's a hack and slash action role playing game. If I wanted, I could go into the woods in my backyard with an axe with 6-12 damage and slaughter some kittens, or I could play Diablo, select the Witch Doctor, and throw some Skull-Molotovs at huge groups of zombies while my pets eat their corpses. It would be a lot more fun, and I wouldn't have to go to a psych ward after.
Please don't even try to do the REALISM analogy.
Your whole point was broken down *taps into memory* during the time of THE ART DIRECTION WARS :rolleyes:. Your fictional character can throw as many skulls as he likes but if they aren't done truthfully enough to at least resemble a REALISTIC skull and give off a feeling that you would have gotten by seeing a real skull - then they might as well be ping-pong balls.
You are simply trying to portray the very serious implications of D3 not giving a sense of REALITY as laughable with your moronic GAMES AREN'T REAL sucker points, even though visual immersement is crucial to any modern game, especially one that takes place in an environment like Diablo where you NEED that reality.
I'm sorry but you can't have scary skeletons and zombies when they look like they came out of a cartoon.
The visual and art direction might be 'pertty' and interesting as a style. I'm not necessarily saying the game will turn bad, but it will look 10 times better and more-like-Diablo if they appear at least a bit more real instead of the cookie-cutter block graphics we have right now.
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
It's pretty *dark* here, the guy on the left has his head down all sad like next to the huge pile of *creepy corpses* mirroring a scene right out of *Gothic* history and *midevil* times like the *black plague*.
Thank you for the spoiler.
Yet it's still UNREALISTIC and if you were looking at each object (both characters and surroundings) separately and without the knowledge that it was Diablo, I'm pretty sure half of the guys here would actually dislike it and regard it as 'lame'.
Lego-block characters FTW.
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
But it was very comon to see a pink (nearly glitching pixelized) sword or staff on a character that did'nt fit into the style.
I also think that Diablo II never been a beautiful game, at least, it never been is strength.
Messa sorry yousa thinks so. New style bettar now. Now game have moar strength and kolor.
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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Of course he's not going to completely support it- Blizzard is competition now. Different gaming companies don't make a thing of advertising other gaming companies.
Average diablofan before D3 announcement: I hope Bill Roper and the Blizzard North team go back and make D3 with it's cool gothic atmosphere. D2 and D1 were da bestest... Blizzard sucks for not giving us Diablo. *sob*
Excited diablofan after D3 announcement: Yuss. Blizz, Blizz, Blizz. I love dis game. It's da best, betr than dark and no-contrast previous Diablo. Blizz say this Diablo betr now. Dis game have mor contrast. Me like new rainbow. Me think Blizz smart when making fun of peoples and Bashiok veri funny too. Roper is bastard son of bitch. He hate Blizzaaard. Me no like Roper any moar. Me likes Blizz. Blizz tell me what to think... *drool*
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I really hope this doesn't turn in to another pointless art debate.
Too late.
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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Complete contrast is a little strong...yes its certainly different and like he said its more of a "irvine interpretation," and in the end its up to personal preference as to which is better. But still, you can't honestly say its a complete contrast.
Under "Irvine interpretation" I also understand the UNREALISTIC cookie-cutter nature of the models, the surroundings and just about EVERYTHING, when it's missing the gritty feeling that made me want to emo-cut myself...
(I'm quoting Roper on that)
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lol it can still easily be a ranger since who said you cant shoot arrows at melee distance xD
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The Barbarian is from Arreat, a very cold snowy mountain top, but they are much tougher than normal humans, so they don't need warmth.
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
Mockery seems to think he can change someone's mind by posting 'craip' under the interview: YOU can think whatever you like, don't tell us WHAT IS, AND WHAT'S NOT.
To the hot-heads: of course Roper DOESN'T LIKE where the artistic style and the visuals are going. It's a complete contrast of his previous work.
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Where are Barbarians originally from? Sumeria, or more specifically Mesopotamia, AKA Europe. Think the Alps and the Pyrenees
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I'm especially pissed about PoP. I thought they really outdid themselves with Warrior Within. That radical style and atmosphere was perfect for the series.
All of my respect for you is dissapearing with every new word you say.
Everyone here is behaving like Blizzard is their authoritative mother: Tell me what's good or not mommy.
I'm sorry for hurting your little feelings, by saying your mommy is simply making excuses. Looks like some people are still getting their daily share of breastfeeding...
He's like:
- Yeah, you fucked up, it bothers me, but I can't do anything about it. I took pride in the way Diablo jumped away visually from the other Blizzard titles, but whatever. I lost my previous company so I've got bigger worries right now. I would like to tell you about my new game etc.
Diablo 2 had a 3D dimension. It's not like it was tetris. Irrelevant to the point as well.
D2 uses 20x more realistic imaging than D3. Same goes for Diablo 1. They are plain to see. Open your eyes.
What's real about bland, oddly shaped characters?
Diablo 3 looks like it will resemble a water-color painting... with dark tones and splattered blood perhaps, but with unnatural-looking dimensions of both the models and the entire environment.
Unnatural=unrealistic
Unrealistic=not-believable
Not-believable=Not Diablo
Not Diablo=something else
Please don't even try to do the REALISM analogy.
Your whole point was broken down *taps into memory* during the time of THE ART DIRECTION WARS :rolleyes:. Your fictional character can throw as many skulls as he likes but if they aren't done truthfully enough to at least resemble a REALISTIC skull and give off a feeling that you would have gotten by seeing a real skull - then they might as well be ping-pong balls.
You are simply trying to portray the very serious implications of D3 not giving a sense of REALITY as laughable with your moronic GAMES AREN'T REAL sucker points, even though visual immersement is crucial to any modern game, especially one that takes place in an environment like Diablo where you NEED that reality.
I'm sorry but you can't have scary skeletons and zombies when they look like they came out of a cartoon.
The visual and art direction might be 'pertty' and interesting as a style. I'm not necessarily saying the game will turn bad, but it will look 10 times better and more-like-Diablo if they appear at least a bit more real instead of the cookie-cutter block graphics we have right now.
Yet it's still UNREALISTIC and if you were looking at each object (both characters and surroundings) separately and without the knowledge that it was Diablo, I'm pretty sure half of the guys here would actually dislike it and regard it as 'lame'.
Lego-block characters FTW.
I call it the "The wonderful adventures of Watercolor Cindy in the spooky mist where invisible evil wizards roam the peaceful land"
Average diablofan before D3 announcement: I hope Bill Roper and the Blizzard North team go back and make D3 with it's cool gothic atmosphere. D2 and D1 were da bestest... Blizzard sucks for not giving us Diablo. *sob*
Excited diablofan after D3 announcement: Yuss. Blizz, Blizz, Blizz. I love dis game. It's da best, betr than dark and no-contrast previous Diablo. Blizz say this Diablo betr now. Dis game have mor contrast. Me like new rainbow. Me think Blizz smart when making fun of peoples and Bashiok veri funny too. Roper is bastard son of bitch. He hate Blizzaaard. Me no like Roper any moar. Me likes Blizz. Blizz tell me what to think... *drool*
Too late.
Under "Irvine interpretation" I also understand the UNREALISTIC cookie-cutter nature of the models, the surroundings and just about EVERYTHING, when it's missing the gritty feeling that made me want to emo-cut myself...
(I'm quoting Roper on that)
To the hot-heads: of course Roper DOESN'T LIKE where the artistic style and the visuals are going. It's a complete contrast of his previous work.
THE MF END