[i]I discovered that these tribes define themselves by their belief in the Mbwiru Eikura, which roughly translates to "The Unformed Land" (this is an imprecise translation, as this concept is completely foreign to our culture and language). This belief holds that the true, sacred reality is veiled behind the physical one we normally experience. Their vitally important public ceremonies are centered upon sacrifices to the life force that flows from their gods, who inhabit the Unformed Land, into this lesser physical realm.
Well, the WD's do use these powers don't they?
It certainly seems possible to combine with the established mythos. What I think it might be is the spirit-ish world that Serenthia visits in the Veiled Prophet. We've seen very little of it, but it does allow her to travel Sanctuary in her mind, though she is alseep when doing it. Possibly her's could just be another way of accessing it.
Alternatively, it's just "regular" magic they use, and the whole spirit world thing is mumbo-jumbo they invented to explain their reality. Given Blizzard's past history though, I wouldn't count on this being the case. These things usually turn out to be actual places.
As for the gods, we would have to see. Prime contestants here though are either Nephalem or just random gods they invented to explain the magic and rituals around it.
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My question is that are the demons spawning from the Abyss:
A)Physically and mentally "whole" beings
B)Only physical "shells"
C)Evil spirits that need a form of somekind (or atleast in Sanctuary and as long as there is the Worldstone)
Impossible to answer with the information we have. Like you've probably noticed, there are only two real references to the Abyss, the speech about Izual and the one about Diablo and Mephisto. That's it, so everything is up for speculation.
Given that it's also hard to know whether the Abyss is a separate realm, a part of Hell, or just a figure of speech makes even more difficult to get anything out of it. On short, you can't get a conclusive answer.
When Baal was defeated, Tyrael said that The Worldstone had to be desroyed, because Baals "destructive touch has corrupted it completely". So it seems that Baal was very close of opening a permanent gate to Hell and that The worldstone was in Baals use. What I am after is that did the corrupted Worldstone work properly in time of Baals death?
It depends entirely on what Tyrael means, and how the Worldstone actually functions.
When Uldyssian affected the Worldstone in the Sin War, the change in the actual stone was instant. The effect however that would allow humans to grow to their true potential again, was not instant and would require time and many generations to manifest itself. So I suppose it could be either.
We know that The Worldstone is the source of all the Soulstones, so without the source of their power they were useless. Maybe that is the reason why the Three wanted to get captured (not defeated, I agree with you about what you said of the Three being All Knowing), to get and corrupt a piece of the Worldstone (soulstone) that could be used to taint the whole Worldstone.
Maybe, but it might also cause problems with causality.
There's no indication that the Three know the Worldstone even exists. They must suspect there is something shielding Sanctuary, but what it is or where it is might be unknown to them.
What we do know is that Baal learns of its location when Tal Rasha becomes his host. Whether he also learns that the Worldstone actually exist at this time as well in unknown. Now you could argue that Izual would have told them, but we don't know for certain if Izual actually knew where the soulstones came from either. All we know is that Tyrael knows of their origin, so it could be limited to just him or the Angiris Council.
Or maybe The Worldstone worked like one big Soulstone and Baal was sucked into it...
Or he needed his sousltone in order to corrupt the Worldstone (which explains why he went harrying after Marius in D2). It's an interesting thought that certainly makes sense though.
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The Sorceress and Wizard appear to be totally unrelated. Unlike most other magic practitioners, and all sorcerer-like organizations, the Wizards appear to be entirely independent from the rest, whereas the Vizjerei, Zann Esu and Taan Clan etc. have all interacted with each other in the past.
For similarities and discinctions, it's hard to say without knowing more of the Wizard.
The Sorceress' belongs to the Zann Esu, a clan only for women and one who focuses exclusively on the elemental arts. This is a philosophical belief and choice on their part. They are pretty reclusive and not much is known of them beyond this, their recruitment process and the fact that their founder, Esu, was a Nephalem.
The Sorcerer belongs to the Vizjerei clan it appears, the largest and probably most influential clan over Sanctuary's history. Bartuc and Horazon both belonged to it for example, and it was also this clan who founded the Assassins.
Important to note is that the Sorceress of D2 and the Sorcerer of D1 did not belong to the same clan at all, and did not share anything with each other really.
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Can u give me a overview of well the entire Diablo story line ive played diablo 1 and 2 and thought they where fun but now that ive gotten into it im proabably gonna play 3 when its out but ive never really had any real over view of whats goin on just lil peices of lore
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Oh God, that turned out to me much more lengthy than I expected. It will take some time to write a justifiable summary, and it shall be put in the wiki I think.
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Can someone explain for me exactly what the Worldstone does, and why it being destroyed could have been a bad decision for Tyrael?
I'll answer this, the rest belongs in another thread.
The Worldstone was generally believed to hold the forces of Hell at bay to keep them from invadingSanctuary. At least that was the impression given in Diablo II.
The Sin War trilogy however threw all that around. According to the last book, the Worlstone only hid Sanctuary from Heaven and Hell, but did not offer any real physical protection. In addition, it also inhibited the magical powers inherent in all humans as a result of their "divine" heritage so to speak.
Because of this change, the Worlstone no longer had a purpose as a barrier. The new reason given for Hell not invading was a truce between the two celestial powers. Both agreed to leave the mortal realm free of their battles, however that hasn't deterred both sides from intervening in to lesser degrees since then.
However, the Worlstone is still not completely understood by anyone, save perhaps for Inarius, and so realistically there was still no way to tell what would happen exacly as a result of the stone being destroyed.
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OK i understand what you mean but there surely has to be some way for angels and demons to reproduce, especially since Mephisto had 2 children and Inarius and Lilith fathered Rathma together. I see your point though.
Yes they can. However, The Archangels are THE angels, the first and foremost. They cannot have fathered themselves, and no one came before them. Hence they're not brothers.
Of course it's possible they were both spawned from the original primordial soup of creation. Maybe that's why they call themselves brothers
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I actually took Tyrael and Inarius as being literally brothers. Could you please elaborate on what you mean? In what sense are they 'brothers' and how did you notice this? Its been a while since I read the triolgy, maybe I must have missed or forgot something.
Brother in the physical sense assumes that you are genetically family and have the same mother and father.
As the Angels have existed since time began for all we know, and someone had to be first, they cannot be brothers the same way humans are. Similarly, Diablo, Mephisto and Baal aren't either, although they too use the term.
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Who was the guy with wings of flames in the end of "the moon of the spider"? I think he was angel or something of that sort, but not sure. :confused:
I don't even remember that part, so I hope someone else can asnwer that for you
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Say could someone make list of all the Q & A so then questions could be look up quickly instead of reading all 54 pages.
One of these days
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Q: Echoes of War: Children of the Worldstone, Last Angel, The Eternal Conflict, and Legacy of Terror music titles suggest events in D3? Oh sure there just music titles but could they have a deeper meaning.
Speculation question, that's for another thread. However I have no idea, haven't paid all too much attention to the music of D3 so far.
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Q: What happen to Tal Rasha's body? In the open citmanitc in LoD Baal's body appears no longer a mummy, did he discard Tal Rasha withering body for a new one/create or transform it? (This probability a repeat question, sorry.)
Never specified, but it seems reasonable to assume he is still in Tal Rasha's body at the time of LoD. He has distinct human features, as well as voice, as well as some tentacle-like things on his back.
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Q: I think there was something about the Zakarum but I can't remember if there was anything info about the Zakarum status in Moon of the Spider. Are they rebuilding, scattered, lost etc...
Good question. They are probably, but I don't know to what extent.
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Q: "This fire from the sky reawakens ancient evils and calls the heroes of Sanctuary to defend the mortal world against the rising powers of the Burning Hells once again." Besides from good old Diablo, does this mean we'll be see more dead faces again? King Leoric we know already, Lucion, Duriel, Nihlathak etc... Blizzard seems to make a habit of bring back the dead in Warcraft like Muradin and Mal'ganis.
Speculation, that's for another topic. Nothing is certain.
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Well Diablo doesn't feature it. You could say that Hardcore characters are how real characters would behave, while Softcore characters are just gameplay-friendly versions.
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That is entirely a game mechanic; of course people in Snactuary don't run out into the wilderness, get killed by demons, and then respawn again in town
If however you also mean what happends after death, i.e. afterlife, that's something with very little info on.
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[spoil]Actually, the entire event of the Sin War is undone by Heaven and Hell combined, meaning Uldyssian's adventure nisn't historically recorded anywhere, because it never happened, and thus no edyrem ever existed except for one. Mendeln is the only Edyrem to remember, so if we meet him, then yes.[/spoil]
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It certainly seems possible to combine with the established mythos. What I think it might be is the spirit-ish world that Serenthia visits in the Veiled Prophet. We've seen very little of it, but it does allow her to travel Sanctuary in her mind, though she is alseep when doing it. Possibly her's could just be another way of accessing it.
Alternatively, it's just "regular" magic they use, and the whole spirit world thing is mumbo-jumbo they invented to explain their reality. Given Blizzard's past history though, I wouldn't count on this being the case. These things usually turn out to be actual places.
As for the gods, we would have to see. Prime contestants here though are either Nephalem or just random gods they invented to explain the magic and rituals around it.
Given that it's also hard to know whether the Abyss is a separate realm, a part of Hell, or just a figure of speech makes even more difficult to get anything out of it. On short, you can't get a conclusive answer.
It depends entirely on what Tyrael means, and how the Worldstone actually functions.
When Uldyssian affected the Worldstone in the Sin War, the change in the actual stone was instant. The effect however that would allow humans to grow to their true potential again, was not instant and would require time and many generations to manifest itself. So I suppose it could be either.
Maybe, but it might also cause problems with causality.
There's no indication that the Three know the Worldstone even exists. They must suspect there is something shielding Sanctuary, but what it is or where it is might be unknown to them.
What we do know is that Baal learns of its location when Tal Rasha becomes his host. Whether he also learns that the Worldstone actually exist at this time as well in unknown. Now you could argue that Izual would have told them, but we don't know for certain if Izual actually knew where the soulstones came from either. All we know is that Tyrael knows of their origin, so it could be limited to just him or the Angiris Council.
Or he needed his sousltone in order to corrupt the Worldstone (which explains why he went harrying after Marius in D2). It's an interesting thought that certainly makes sense though.
For similarities and discinctions, it's hard to say without knowing more of the Wizard.
The Sorceress' belongs to the Zann Esu, a clan only for women and one who focuses exclusively on the elemental arts. This is a philosophical belief and choice on their part. They are pretty reclusive and not much is known of them beyond this, their recruitment process and the fact that their founder, Esu, was a Nephalem.
The Sorcerer belongs to the Vizjerei clan it appears, the largest and probably most influential clan over Sanctuary's history. Bartuc and Horazon both belonged to it for example, and it was also this clan who founded the Assassins.
Important to note is that the Sorceress of D2 and the Sorcerer of D1 did not belong to the same clan at all, and did not share anything with each other really.
It's not complete yet, but it's a beginning.
I have no idea, I do not remember that part.
Oh God, that turned out to me much more lengthy than I expected. It will take some time to write a justifiable summary, and it shall be put in the wiki I think.
Stay tuned, I will post it up within a few days.
The Worldstone was generally believed to hold the forces of Hell at bay to keep them from invadingSanctuary. At least that was the impression given in Diablo II.
The Sin War trilogy however threw all that around. According to the last book, the Worlstone only hid Sanctuary from Heaven and Hell, but did not offer any real physical protection. In addition, it also inhibited the magical powers inherent in all humans as a result of their "divine" heritage so to speak.
Because of this change, the Worlstone no longer had a purpose as a barrier. The new reason given for Hell not invading was a truce between the two celestial powers. Both agreed to leave the mortal realm free of their battles, however that hasn't deterred both sides from intervening in to lesser degrees since then.
However, the Worlstone is still not completely understood by anyone, save perhaps for Inarius, and so realistically there was still no way to tell what would happen exacly as a result of the stone being destroyed.
Of course it's possible they were both spawned from the original primordial soup of creation. Maybe that's why they call themselves brothers
As the Angels have existed since time began for all we know, and someone had to be first, they cannot be brothers the same way humans are. Similarly, Diablo, Mephisto and Baal aren't either, although they too use the term.
I don't even remember that part, so I hope someone else can asnwer that for you
Speculation question, that's for another thread. However I have no idea, haven't paid all too much attention to the music of D3 so far.
Never specified, but it seems reasonable to assume he is still in Tal Rasha's body at the time of LoD. He has distinct human features, as well as voice, as well as some tentacle-like things on his back.
Good question. They are probably, but I don't know to what extent.
Speculation, that's for another topic. Nothing is certain.
If however you also mean what happends after death, i.e. afterlife, that's something with very little info on.