@Vegas- I was merely challenging Bleusnaks42's proposition of free energy. His was of energy being created out of nothing(said something of a 500% return which pretty much means just that).
You are talking of harnessing wind and solar energy which is completely different. And you rightly said these are not free. You need the equipment to convert that energy into usable form and there are costs involved in the maintenance of the equipment. One of the reasons why the use of solar panels hasn't taken off despite government advertisement and incentives in many parts of the world is the poor return of the latter.
We do not yet have a (truly) effective system in place to get the maximum out of an investment into such equipment. You need the start-up cash which tends to be substantial for most average middle class family. Then you need to maintain the whole damn thing which can be as equally expensive.
And at the end, you have the weather being a dick on some days. Cloudy weather? No wind? Well can't watch the tv, use the laptop today.
So it is essentially a long term investment into a resource whose availability remains erratic and the cost effectiveness is ambiguous for most.
Now to return to free energy as was described at the start of the whole discussion- it is very much of a science fiction proposition. And i remain utterly unconvinced that countries around the world have seemingly already developed the 'technology' to access such a resource. For one it essentially means there is an infinity of said resource and this would lead to repercussions in world economy/state that will hardly go unnoticed.
I am simply being sensible here.
.Yes, mathematically you can't get more than you give in reference to free energy.
Apologies for not replying to your whole post but this single line is basically an excellent conclusion to the whole discussion.
Mathematics is the most complete and advanced language known to the human race. If this particular experiment cannot be expressed in mathematics, it's null and void and is in the domain of science fiction.
Also regarding the China and Russia part, you do realize the implications of what you are saying? So do tell me why not more countries are following in the same steps? Why their whole societies are not being run on free energy?
Or are they already and i am unaware of it?
You have to understand that in order to bring about a global alternative fuel you need investors to invest in the fuel development. You need auto companies to get behind that fuel to make the changes needed to for the car to run on it. You need fuel companies to make the changes to supply the fuel to the world. You also need government to approve the new fuel. It's quite easy for oil companies to influence all of these channels and have good ideas die before money is ever thrown into them.
I am talking about free energy and you are talking of alternative fuel.
Free energy is not just for vehicles. Its grasp is way too wide to be curtailed by one part of society that directly depends on oil for revenue.
That's why I mentioned conspiracy theory.
It took a huge group of collective super-geniuses many decades to eventually create stable modern nuclear power.
If there was a new energy breakthrough. It wouldn't just be one guy in his basement having an EUREKA! moment.
Any new breakthroughs would result from a large gathering of massive intellects coupled with a hefty financial backing.
Whens the last time a single person invented anything new by himself? You can't even create and test a relatively simple program without a huge team. Internet and networking technology.... NASA.... CERN and the LHC. Human Genone Project.
P.S - Pins and needles in my foot aaaarrgggghhh
The machine for free energy that was being discussed is supposedly ALREADY created.
It seems we are just being prevented from building and using it on a world-wide scale. So the invention is there but we are being controlled/prevented from using it.
No need for breakthroughs.
So there is no need for a group of collective geniuses merely to test out the hypothesis of free energy creation.
Isn't this a most excellent reason for other countries to develop the free-energy system?
How about North Korea? The US doesn't seem to have much of an effect on them.
Russia?
India?
The rest of the world?
Individuals in the rest of the world?
One dude managed to go on a 10 year holiday trip while being the most wanted man on the planet.
You are telling me the same government can actually suppress the thousands and MILLIONS of others from doing their own little science project at home?
A science project that will show free energy is just science fiction.
I won't say it's impossible. However it's so highly improbable, I can't even bring myself to take this seriously.
I may be misunderstanding you here but I thought you were implying that some corporations and companies were directly acting to stifle any progress or implementation of a free-energy system?
In the age of technology and information, you think any engineering plans for the construction of the free-energy machine can be successfully made to disappear?
That the thousands of people who have the resources and intellect to build such a system are being actively suppressed all over the world?
This is deeply illogical talk and too much of a conspiracy-theory approach for me.
Free energy machine?
I am too lazy to try and disprove this. I'm only wondering what's preventing people from using it if it's available/can be done, let alone governments implementing it on a world-wide basis.
Or is everybody conspiring on this one?
I mean it's not like resources were pooled in one area or controlled by one segment of society. It's (relatively) widely distributed and surely an investment into a free-energy machine will most likely turn out to be hugely profitable in the long run, making it a very desirable/sought-after commodity for...everybody.
So my question is- if it works, what is holding people back?
In other news I finally got word back we're closing on the house. I'm happy and yet with all that non-sense of the paperwork I feel like I was violated along the way.
The arm was a hockey injury a few years ago, it was brutal. Breaking an arm not as painful as one would think (yay adrenaline) its the the "oh we f up your cast so we need to recast it.... 3 tries later" The ankle was from drunken stupidity.
My broken bones episodes were terribly painful. Both during football.
I've never been drunk... Probably never will. Alcohol taste awfully bad, a bit like medicine. I never liked taking medicine even when they were some sweet syrup.
Maybe when I grow up, things might change...
Marriage vs D3.
Seem people are terribly confused these days. Or maybe I'm not that into games after all, even when pouring in all those hours every few days..
@Slayer- Ice hockey injuries again?
Edit2- Aww..my tribute to Twistedpandora was deleted. So sad. Poor dude.
You are talking of harnessing wind and solar energy which is completely different. And you rightly said these are not free. You need the equipment to convert that energy into usable form and there are costs involved in the maintenance of the equipment. One of the reasons why the use of solar panels hasn't taken off despite government advertisement and incentives in many parts of the world is the poor return of the latter.
We do not yet have a (truly) effective system in place to get the maximum out of an investment into such equipment. You need the start-up cash which tends to be substantial for most average middle class family. Then you need to maintain the whole damn thing which can be as equally expensive.
And at the end, you have the weather being a dick on some days. Cloudy weather? No wind? Well can't watch the tv, use the laptop today.
So it is essentially a long term investment into a resource whose availability remains erratic and the cost effectiveness is ambiguous for most.
Now to return to free energy as was described at the start of the whole discussion- it is very much of a science fiction proposition. And i remain utterly unconvinced that countries around the world have seemingly already developed the 'technology' to access such a resource. For one it essentially means there is an infinity of said resource and this would lead to repercussions in world economy/state that will hardly go unnoticed.
I am simply being sensible here.
Will get back to you peeps tonight.
Apologies for not replying to your whole post but this single line is basically an excellent conclusion to the whole discussion.
Mathematics is the most complete and advanced language known to the human race. If this particular experiment cannot be expressed in mathematics, it's null and void and is in the domain of science fiction.
Also regarding the China and Russia part, you do realize the implications of what you are saying? So do tell me why not more countries are following in the same steps? Why their whole societies are not being run on free energy?
Or are they already and i am unaware of it?
Free energy is not just for vehicles. Its grasp is way too wide to be curtailed by one part of society that directly depends on oil for revenue.
That's why I mentioned conspiracy theory.
The machine for free energy that was being discussed is supposedly ALREADY created.
It seems we are just being prevented from building and using it on a world-wide scale. So the invention is there but we are being controlled/prevented from using it.
No need for breakthroughs.
So there is no need for a group of collective geniuses merely to test out the hypothesis of free energy creation.
Night folks.
How about North Korea? The US doesn't seem to have much of an effect on them.
Russia?
India?
The rest of the world?
Individuals in the rest of the world?
One dude managed to go on a 10 year holiday trip while being the most wanted man on the planet.
You are telling me the same government can actually suppress the thousands and MILLIONS of others from doing their own little science project at home?
A science project that will show free energy is just science fiction.
I won't say it's impossible. However it's so highly improbable, I can't even bring myself to take this seriously.
In the age of technology and information, you think any engineering plans for the construction of the free-energy machine can be successfully made to disappear?
That the thousands of people who have the resources and intellect to build such a system are being actively suppressed all over the world?
This is deeply illogical talk and too much of a conspiracy-theory approach for me.
I honestly still can't see what is holding us back.
Free energy machine?
I am too lazy to try and disprove this. I'm only wondering what's preventing people from using it if it's available/can be done, let alone governments implementing it on a world-wide basis.
Or is everybody conspiring on this one?
I mean it's not like resources were pooled in one area or controlled by one segment of society. It's (relatively) widely distributed and surely an investment into a free-energy machine will most likely turn out to be hugely profitable in the long run, making it a very desirable/sought-after commodity for...everybody.
So my question is- if it works, what is holding people back?
I feel for the victims' families.
That scumbag wanted publicity and he is making the maximum out of it. Those fucking retarded media outlets ought to be fucking ashamed of themselves.
Damn it.
Googled the name. You'll need to post some of his stuff.
Was unaware of this musician.
My broken bones episodes were terribly painful. Both during football.
I've never been drunk... Probably never will. Alcohol taste awfully bad, a bit like medicine. I never liked taking medicine even when they were some sweet syrup.
Maybe when I grow up, things might change...
If you are playing Fifa12, we can grab a few games online.
Anyway never mind that now. It's a moderated post so it cannot be discussed.
More importantly I need some sleep now. Hell of a week this one.
I just need to get that summer internship and I am all set for the holidays.
Man, the number of times I edited that post. Ya i do need sleep.
Night folks.
Seem people are terribly confused these days. Or maybe I'm not that into games after all, even when pouring in all those hours every few days..
@Slayer- Ice hockey injuries again?
Edit2- Aww..my tribute to Twistedpandora was deleted. So sad. Poor dude.
As a long distance runner though I would probably end up dead after taking one hit.
QFT.
I am eating an apple.