Well um, 1 pic conveying Diablo mood against 20 minutes conveying?
Imo, the one pic still wins by default, lol.
If you think it is better ( or will be better ) than Diablo 3, then why are you still sticking with changing Diablo if another game gives you what you ask for ?
Ofcourse not, but still, just imagine the potential SAOUIEEEET gameplay of D3 with these very Diablo fitting graphics.
I said before that the Devs tried various graphical options including copying D2 looks directly and non of it served the gameplay and mood right , they went through all this years ago.
And besides, while the pic look nice indeed ( promotional or not ), that doesn't mean that's how D3 should look like, i don't see how you can judge the whole game from it, all the environment i see in the pic is some shiny CLEAN floor ( didn't many people complain about the CLEAN looks of D3 ), it could be a crappy game with crappy environments after all.
Oh, and those monsters look rubbish, i don't care if they are high poly, their designs and textures are crappy.
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Haha that screenshot is from Dungeon Hero and it shows how awesome 3D graphics and style can be.
Compared to D3 it looks like Half-Life 1 to Half-Life 2. (D3 being HL1, mind you)
Its really really sad when people who copy the Diablo gameplay make a better game out of it than the ones with the original franchise.
Not until we see a 20 min gameplay video of it, i don't want to be cheated by candy pics :rolleyes:
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And how colorful is this screenshot?
It was just taken with the gamma slider in the middle.
Notice the skeleton being a little brighter because mobs get highlighted by the game when you mouseover them.
I added it to the post, since I doubt our ignorant friends will click the link.
Did you even read what i said, the Devs said so after taking screenshots and picking colors from them, don't make yourself look like a ..... sigh whatever, i made my point, you are simply calling the Dev's idiots, way to go :rolleyes:
Go get informed and watch the freaking Art Panels first before arguing.
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That looks quite nice, but are you sure that's an in-game shot not promotional art ?
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even blizzard admitted already that its much moire colorful than D1 and D2. You trying to prove the opposite just shows how desperate you are.
Actually they said the complete opposite during the Art Panels, they said they took screenshots from D1 and D2 and found them very colorful and not as dark or bland as people THINK.
The only extra color that they added is the ambient color which IMO looks a lot better than pitch black which looks lame and has been done before in TQ and DS dungeons.
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Originally Posted by Dimebog Max gamma? That is a promotional D1 screenshot made by Blizzard back in a day. And those locations from D2 look even more colorful when you lower the gamma. Also, those screenshots are nothing. Diablo is colorful all the way through. Have you forgoten the exterior in A2? Forgotten about the Arcane Sanctuaty? What some people here want is literally a dark, gray game where you can't see a thing and do not convey a single good or bad emotion. A gray emotionless world.
Nice. Lies now too.
Want me to start D2 now and make a screenshot for you with the slider in the middle?
Uhm, Act 2 was a desert scene. Of course it was bright. It was the only act that was that bright. No one says that they want no bright scenes at all in the game. But when even the dungeons are so colorful already, then how can it look at bright places?
Anyway, your point is complete bullshit. even blizzard admitted already that its much moire colorful than D1 and D2. You trying to prove the opposite just shows how desperate you are.
The shot with the three character classes and the skeleton king IS a BLIZZARD promotional pic, actually that was the first pic of Diablo 1 that i ever saw, don't call people liars for no reason.
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DSII Had as many dark and dreary atmosphears as i did light and happy, the desert and jungle areas were not the dark and dreary that you show here. Personaly the reason i dont like DS is the controls. thats it. but you also understand something.... DS does not look like wow. It is its own style of artistry... inspired by Diablo.
That's fine, but actually you saying that it is directly inspired by Diablo raises the question ( does a game that tried to copy Diablo mood exactly look good ? ), i say no, that's my opinion that i base on the pics up there, it is clear that pitch black darkness dosn't create a mood any more, it is just 3D void, it invokes nothing, i'm sure D3 dev team studied that any they did'nt like the results because they said they did there different graphical looks before settling with the current, so why repeat the mistake that other games made before.
The Styles of Diablo III can be seen in Warcraft (Just not WOW but also WCIII) Upon looking at the barb screen shots and the warrior screen shots i realized that the environment looks the exact same. the stones looked the exact same. the railings looked the exact same. this poses a problem for me personaly. This umong a myriod of others have noticed. Now dont get me wrong i understand not everyone shareing the same opinion. However at least in here, more see the reseblence.
The resemblance is very slight nt all that reaction, they are not going to remake the whole graphics because of that, and again the pics show clearly that D3 is X100 times better than WoW in terms of quailty and color palettes.
The argument goes that D3 is in 3D... hence it looks like wow. Please people there are so many 3D games that look nothing like wow in character design and in environmental design. The flaw is not in the 3D element that looks wonderfuly, the flaw is that at present with the elements created thus far. The design they have given us looks to heavily influenced by the wrong source. Colorful with dreary.. thats fine. just not Warcraft colorful please.
Can you show me one H&S game that looks unique, there ain't any as far as i know of, all either go for extremely realsitic looks which results in boring looking games, or go for extremely cartoonish looks which make them look kiddy, D3 is just trying to strike a balancve between the two, but many people are too biased they fail to see that.
I dont want torches that burn red... and the dungeon looking like the torch burns green. (like in wow)
Green or Red, i don't understand what you want here, toches burn red in real-life, and the Green is merely ambient color reflections to set a mood for the game.
and yes... this is my opinion, listen to it... or ignore it, it is both your and blizzards right. freedom of speech. gota love it... or hate it.
I don't mind your opinion as long as you keep your cool and make a good argument, which you are doing now
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Ok, someone just ban him, thats probably the tenth EXACT SAME HUGE POST that he made. I have enough of it.
And you are yet to say anything useful yourself, quite interesting really
I see so that's being objective and debating :rolleyes:
Care to explain to me, what exactly you don't like about D3 looks, but before you do please be objective about it and pls have some sort of proof with you because that's how debates work, talking about the subject ( D1 or D2 or D3 or WoW or any other franchise ) from the memory is nothing but Nostalgia.
No, they don't. It's easy to manipulate images to resemble what you want them to. So again, you've offered nothing but your opinion.
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It is clear who is manipulating images i guess :rolleyes:
The pics i posted are not manipulated, you can find them easily if you use Google, and any one who PLAYED TQ and DS2 can confirm that.
No-one is saying we want Diablo III to be another generic 3D hack-and-slash RPG, stop making things up.
That's exactly what will happen if they do what you are asking for, the petition cearly states that you want it DARK, and REALISTIC, and that's hwow all generic H&S games look like now
Please, for the love of God, someone ban him; he's just repeating himself over and over again, continually insulting us and generally cluttering up this thread.
I'm merely responding to your opinions, so i guess i'm not the one repeating myself, all itired was to provide some visual clear reason to why Blizz took that move, that's all, you are the one who is overrecting.
Stop speaking as if everyone shares your opinion! Jesus Christ, this is so infuriating! Dark and realistic atmospheres aren't always boring, colourless and moodless; go play Diablo and you'll see how exciting and colourful they can be. Stop speaking for Diablo fans across the globe, not all Diablo fans share your opinion!
Please, for the love of God, someone ban him; he's just repeating himself over and over again, continually insulting us and generally cluttering up this thread.
The polls show clearly i'm not the only one who is supporting Blizz on the decision, so i'm clearly speaking for the 355 people in the poll here at least because that's what the topic is about.
Besides, if the majority of the fans like the game they won't bother to talk about that, you are simply making it look like the whole world hates the new Diablo 3 look, and that's not the case.
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You've proved nothing; you've offered your opinion, nothing more.
Pictures speak for themselves really.
No one would Want D3 to look like every freaking generic 3d hack and slash clone out there, they are all NOT stylized and ALL look like each other.
Don't you see how all the pics look almost the same, know why ?
Even though they are both from two different games they are both REALISTIC, DARK and BORING With no MOOD OR AMBIENT COLORS, No Diablo Fan Would Want DIABLO 3 to look this GENERIC and BLAND.
It is really insulting to the Dev team to think they just made up the new D3 look while playing hockey or something ( because that's how you make it look like with all those "let us show you how it should look like" pics )
They studied other games and studied D1 and D2, and surely know about the competition out there at the market better than any of us dobecause that's their job ( and that's why they want it to look unique and different ), and that's why i'm asking people to stop complaining for a while and trust the company more than that if they really call themselves Blizz fans.
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That doesn't have anything to do with art style. I would prefer more sinister, realistic world in Diablo3 but I would also still buy the game as it is. The only reason we want graphics to get gritty is because the game will feel more like Diablo games and not Dungeon Siege or Titan Quest.
I have proved several time that the changes people want is what's going to make it look like TQ and DS, not the other way around.
And if you want to see those pics i'll post them if you want.
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That comes across an awful lot like your a WoW player and not particularly enthused by Diablo's world/theme or play style. Which is fine, I have no problem with that at all, but it kind of exemplifies what I mean, and that is that seemingly the people that like it as it is aren't even interested in the original series and the theme they had?
Uh what? the poll and the top of this very thread is pretty much 60% in favour of it getting changed, thats an awful lot.?
60% to 40% is quite balanced, but how about this one ?
Guys, please. Blizzard politics are bit off topic here, and your posts are just full of flame anyway.
Remember, the easiest way to tell if your post consists of flame is when you start typing 'you' and 'your' a lot.
Also, opinions are just getting repeated over and over. Can anyone come up with a new angle on the art design to talk about?
Alright, sorry about that
Every single poll on the site here is either balanced between the two sides of the argument or either leaning towards the side that likes the game as it is and wants the game to get finished to buy it as soon as possible.
The results of that last one was almost 80% ( the side that likes the game as it is and wants the game to get finished to buy it as soon as possible ) vs 20% ( the side that says it is cartoony and needs to be remade ), and that says a lot :cool:
View Poll Results: Will you buy Diablo 3 if nothing is changed to the visuals? No. 19 11.73% Yes. 143 88.27%
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"This place is thick with the stench of ghouls"
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I don't know where you got this idea. We buy the games, we advise the content. Therefore it is a democracy. They listen..
Most companies don't give a damn about complaints, there is no democracy in business and art which is all making games is about, that's a fact, if you don't like the Monaliza don't look at it, if you don't like our product don't buy it, that's how the open world works.
I would have to disagree with you on this one, I don't know of one gaming franchise as big as blizzard and as successful, just my opinion. Other companies do not apply because of different circumstances.
To your surprise there are many, and if each of them listened to all the complaints they get they wouldn't have sold any thing, again, Blizz is clearly an exception, the only exception.
Try doing that with Squaresoft, or Namco, or Ritual, it just won't work.
this is a very paranoia influenced hypothesis, but highly highly unlikely.
Paranoia you say, not really, enough they didn't react to all the out crying nor do they have anyone at the Bnet D3 forums to reply to people like they do in the SC2 one, that gives a clear sign they don't care, at least now.
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"This place is thick with the stench of ghouls"
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In my opinion Blizzard needs to listen to the greater of the fans, what it comes down to is: Do the greater of the people want a World of Warcraft feel... If they do so be it.
Games are not a democracy, games are a vision and choice of the game creator, you are not part of the Dev team and you don't own shares in the company to tell them what they need to do, fans think to higly of themsleves these days, if you like the game you buy it, if you don't then just don't buy it, it is an open market, simple as that, and it works with all other comapnies.
I hate to think of it this way but heres a point made "guess my point is this...Blizzard is trying to stay true to the franchise, as much as they can. They want to keep as many Diablo fans as they can. But there is a whole new generation or demographic of gamer they are trying to bring in to the game as well. People that are accustomed to a...for lack of a better phrase...more modern and up to date look. It is a business after all. For every hardcore Diablo fan they lose, and I hope they don't lose any, there will be three to take their place. Like it or not, Blizzard knows what they are doing or rather, what they want to do. They aren't as successful as they are for nothing."
Many other companies are successful without listening to their fans as much as Blizz do, and i have to say with the reaction many people made that Blizz was better off doing like other companies ( 99% ) and relsesing the game when it is done without showing us anything in the alpha stage of development.
Blizz is an exception and people are starting to take it for granted, this will soon backfire at us, they might stop listening and releasing any news about their games like everybody else does.
Judging from Diablo sales ( in millions ) that number is a minority not a majority really, all those satisfied with the new Diablo 3 are the ones you don't hear
Hope nobody is offended by this, i tried to be as civil as i can even when i'm steaming on the inside :rolleyes:
sorry, it still had some flame potential. ~ Atrumentis
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I know man i know, my point is the Devs already tried many graphical options and none of it worked !!!
Maybe if they show them to us and tell us why they didn't work things could cool down !!!
I really don't know why is Blizz not showing any sort of response, neither negative nor positive ?
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http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
If you think it is better ( or will be better ) than Diablo 3, then why are you still sticking with changing Diablo if another game gives you what you ask for ?
I said before that the Devs tried various graphical options including copying D2 looks directly and non of it served the gameplay and mood right , they went through all this years ago.
And besides, while the pic look nice indeed ( promotional or not ), that doesn't mean that's how D3 should look like, i don't see how you can judge the whole game from it, all the environment i see in the pic is some shiny CLEAN floor ( didn't many people complain about the CLEAN looks of D3 ), it could be a crappy game with crappy environments after all.
Oh, and those monsters look rubbish, i don't care if they are high poly, their designs and textures are crappy.
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Not until we see a 20 min gameplay video of it, i don't want to be cheated by candy pics :rolleyes:
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10853
One more reason why Diablo 3 looks the way it is now
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Did you even read what i said, the Devs said so after taking screenshots and picking colors from them, don't make yourself look like a ..... sigh whatever, i made my point, you are simply calling the Dev's idiots, way to go :rolleyes:
Go get informed and watch the freaking Art Panels first before arguing.
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That looks quite nice, but are you sure that's an in-game shot not promotional art ?
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Care to show us how that DH looks like ?
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Actually they said the complete opposite during the Art Panels, they said they took screenshots from D1 and D2 and found them very colorful and not as dark or bland as people THINK.
The only extra color that they added is the ambient color which IMO looks a lot better than pitch black which looks lame and has been done before in TQ and DS dungeons.
The shot with the three character classes and the skeleton king IS a BLIZZARD promotional pic, actually that was the first pic of Diablo 1 that i ever saw, don't call people liars for no reason.
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
That's fine, but actually you saying that it is directly inspired by Diablo raises the question ( does a game that tried to copy Diablo mood exactly look good ? ), i say no, that's my opinion that i base on the pics up there, it is clear that pitch black darkness dosn't create a mood any more, it is just 3D void, it invokes nothing, i'm sure D3 dev team studied that any they did'nt like the results because they said they did there different graphical looks before settling with the current, so why repeat the mistake that other games made before.
The resemblance is very slight nt all that reaction, they are not going to remake the whole graphics because of that, and again the pics show clearly that D3 is X100 times better than WoW in terms of quailty and color palettes.
Can you show me one H&S game that looks unique, there ain't any as far as i know of, all either go for extremely realsitic looks which results in boring looking games, or go for extremely cartoonish looks which make them look kiddy, D3 is just trying to strike a balancve between the two, but many people are too biased they fail to see that.
Green or Red, i don't understand what you want here, toches burn red in real-life, and the Green is merely ambient color reflections to set a mood for the game.
I don't mind your opinion as long as you keep your cool and make a good argument, which you are doing now
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
And you are yet to say anything useful yourself, quite interesting really
I see so that's being objective and debating :rolleyes:
Care to explain to me, what exactly you don't like about D3 looks, but before you do please be objective about it and pls have some sort of proof with you because that's how debates work, talking about the subject ( D1 or D2 or D3 or WoW or any other franchise ) from the memory is nothing but Nostalgia.
It is clear who is manipulating images i guess :rolleyes:
The pics i posted are not manipulated, you can find them easily if you use Google, and any one who PLAYED TQ and DS2 can confirm that.
That's exactly what will happen if they do what you are asking for, the petition cearly states that you want it DARK, and REALISTIC, and that's hwow all generic H&S games look like now
I'm merely responding to your opinions, so i guess i'm not the one repeating myself, all itired was to provide some visual clear reason to why Blizz took that move, that's all, you are the one who is overrecting.
The polls show clearly i'm not the only one who is supporting Blizz on the decision, so i'm clearly speaking for the 355 people in the poll here at least because that's what the topic is about.
Besides, if the majority of the fans like the game they won't bother to talk about that, you are simply making it look like the whole world hates the new Diablo 3 look, and that's not the case.
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http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Pictures speak for themselves really.
No one would Want D3 to look like every freaking generic 3d hack and slash clone out there, they are all NOT stylized and ALL look like each other.
Don't you see how all the pics look almost the same, know why ?
Even though they are both from two different games they are both REALISTIC, DARK and BORING With no MOOD OR AMBIENT COLORS, No Diablo Fan Would Want DIABLO 3 to look this GENERIC and BLAND.
It is really insulting to the Dev team to think they just made up the new D3 look while playing hockey or something ( because that's how you make it look like with all those "let us show you how it should look like" pics )
They studied other games and studied D1 and D2, and surely know about the competition out there at the market better than any of us do because that's their job ( and that's why they want it to look unique and different ), and that's why i'm asking people to stop complaining for a while and trust the company more than that if they really call themselves Blizz fans.
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
I have proved several time that the changes people want is what's going to make it look like TQ and DS, not the other way around.
And if you want to see those pics i'll post them if you want.
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http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
60% to 40% is quite balanced, but how about this one ?
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10399&page=9
View Poll Results: Will you buy Diablo 3 if nothing is changed to the visuals?
No. 19 11.73%
Yes. 143 88.27%
I think i don't need to say how much it is leaning towards the side that wants to buy the game even if nothing is changed, because they like Diablo.
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Alright, sorry about that
Every single poll on the site here is either balanced between the two sides of the argument or either leaning towards the side that likes the game as it is and wants the game to get finished to buy it as soon as possible.
The results of that last one was almost 80% ( the side that likes the game as it is and wants the game to get finished to buy it as soon as possible ) vs 20% ( the side that says it is cartoony and needs to be remade ), and that says a lot :cool:
View Poll Results: Will you buy Diablo 3 if nothing is changed to the visuals? No. 19 11.73% Yes. 143 88.27%
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Most companies don't give a damn about complaints, there is no democracy in business and art which is all making games is about, that's a fact, if you don't like the Monaliza don't look at it, if you don't like our product don't buy it, that's how the open world works.
To your surprise there are many, and if each of them listened to all the complaints they get they wouldn't have sold any thing, again, Blizz is clearly an exception, the only exception.
Try doing that with Squaresoft, or Namco, or Ritual, it just won't work.
Paranoia you say, not really, enough they didn't react to all the out crying nor do they have anyone at the Bnet D3 forums to reply to people like they do in the SC2 one, that gives a clear sign they don't care, at least now.
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Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html
Games are not a democracy, games are a vision and choice of the game creator, you are not part of the Dev team and you don't own shares in the company to tell them what they need to do, fans think to higly of themsleves these days, if you like the game you buy it, if you don't then just don't buy it, it is an open market, simple as that, and it works with all other comapnies.
Many other companies are successful without listening to their fans as much as Blizz do, and i have to say with the reaction many people made that Blizz was better off doing like other companies ( 99% ) and relsesing the game when it is done without showing us anything in the alpha stage of development.
Blizz is an exception and people are starting to take it for granted, this will soon backfire at us, they might stop listening and releasing any news about their games like everybody else does.
Judging from Diablo sales ( in millions ) that number is a minority not a majority really, all those satisfied with the new Diablo 3 are the ones you don't hear
Hope nobody is offended by this, i tried to be as civil as i can even when i'm steaming on the inside :rolleyes:
sorry, it still had some flame potential. ~ Atrumentis
Said the Barbarian before proceeding to slaughter everyone
http://www.petitiononline.com/d3color/petition.html