So a topic over in the B.net story forums got me thinking about this more and I wanted to see what the more knowledgeable of you in terms of the lore thought about it.
Is it possible that the Witch Doctor is really indeed using the same power that Necromancers used? In terms of lore it would make sense. The WD speaks of balance, and it being disturbed in dialogue in the game, specifically in the first few minutes.
And while what is used by the WD isn't on the same level of the Necromancer, they are really just doing a different version of the same thing.
The WD just goes more towards things like animals then humans, but they are still in there.
Thoughts? I haven't quite finished the Sin Wars triology, and haven't read any of the others books, and am not sure if I will since they aren't necessarily canon, nor have I read the Book of Cain (just costs too much), so there might be stuff that I am unaware of that could confirm or deny this, but from what I've gathered there isn't much to go on.
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Okay. What fascinates me about Necromancers is their ability to perceive and manipulate what they call "Prime Energies" that flow through all things. Like the Unformed Lands, it is omnipresent. This grants Necromancers the ability to animate the inanimate, such as raising the dead and manipulating chemicals and particles from afar (corpse explosion, poison nova, etc). These energies also allow them to twist the fates of others. Essentially, Necromancers bend probability over and make it their bitch.
I think Priests of Rathma and Umbaru Witch Doctors may perceive the same thing differently, allowing for similar yet divergent powers. Unfortunately we don't know enough about either the Unformed Lands or Prime Energies to make any real guesses.
EDIT I hadn't realized this before but Goatmen were originally derived from the Umbaru, with their Shaman analogous to Witch Doctors. I hope we get to see more of them in DIII, it'll give us a lot more information about their culture and the Unformed Lands!
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Be it through hallowed grounds or lands of sorrow
All in the Forger's wake is left bereft and fallow
Is the residuum worth the cost of destruction and maiming;
Or is the shaping a culling and exercise in taming?
The road's goal is the dark Origin of Being
But be wary through what thickets it winds.
-Excerpt from the Litany of Residuum;
As Translated by He Who Brings Order
Yeah, I'm certainly hoping so, it was an idea I had toyed around with a few times, but hadn't spent too much time thinking about it til I saw a different thread about it. Then when I remembered the comment the WD makes when he first starst up in the beta about balance, and connected that to Necromancers and balance (from recently reading the Sin Wars trilogy) it really struck me as a possiblity.
Where is it said that the Goatmen are related to the Umbaru Tribe? As I said before I'm no lore expert, so I'm wondering where you got this from.
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Hmm... Well I guess so? I never really considered it. I mean the Necromancers in D2 still follow Rathma and Trag'oul and it's been a while since I read the sin war but I don't think there was any real specifics on how a necromancers gain their power except in Kalan's case but I don't think that's how everyone does it.
I think it's also worth noting though that angels and demons both have access to necromantic powers as well, so it's not out of my realm of imagination to think that either the Witch Doctor's learned it somewhere down the line or maybe even developed it on their own.
See I learn stuff about this all the time, I didn't know that the angels and demons had access to the same powers as Necromancers, it all makes sense, but I guess we'll have to wait and see if we get any info on this in the story, I sure hope so, the Witch Doctor is easily my favorite class so far, and with so little known about them, I'm hoping we get more info.
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I think it helps quite a bit to perceive Necromancers outside the "traditional" perception of what a necromancer is. I never really thought of them as Warlocks as traditional fantasy does, but more like how it's described with the "Abhorsen" books.
I havn't really gotten much into Witch Doctors yet, except for the Umbaru-connection to the Goatmen (which I'm sure we'll hear more about over the course of the D3 story), but the whole balance of things seems to be a recurring theme for the current heroes - the monk talks quite a bit about it as well. However, this is only really their "goal", not really their powers. Then again, there's a lot of general "balance"-thing going on in the Diablo universe after the whole Nephalem-thing got elaborated.
TL;DR: I have no clue whether or not Witch Doctors are "magically-related" to Necromancers. Both options have merit, really.
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I don't know how I've never seen that site before, that's cool. I do have one question though, is that creature in that concept art a picture of the kharza, which would mean after the corruption of the demon, or before, because the WD's don't have hooves...
I'm going to dig further into that site, though that's some cool stuff that I hadn't seen before.
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Is it possible that the Witch Doctor is really indeed using the same power that Necromancers used? In terms of lore it would make sense. The WD speaks of balance, and it being disturbed in dialogue in the game, specifically in the first few minutes.
And while what is used by the WD isn't on the same level of the Necromancer, they are really just doing a different version of the same thing.
The WD just goes more towards things like animals then humans, but they are still in there.
Thoughts? I haven't quite finished the Sin Wars triology, and haven't read any of the others books, and am not sure if I will since they aren't necessarily canon, nor have I read the Book of Cain (just costs too much), so there might be stuff that I am unaware of that could confirm or deny this, but from what I've gathered there isn't much to go on.
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Okay. What fascinates me about Necromancers is their ability to perceive and manipulate what they call "Prime Energies" that flow through all things. Like the Unformed Lands, it is omnipresent. This grants Necromancers the ability to animate the inanimate, such as raising the dead and manipulating chemicals and particles from afar (corpse explosion, poison nova, etc). These energies also allow them to twist the fates of others. Essentially, Necromancers bend probability over and make it their bitch.
I think Priests of Rathma and Umbaru Witch Doctors may perceive the same thing differently, allowing for similar yet divergent powers. Unfortunately we don't know enough about either the Unformed Lands or Prime Energies to make any real guesses.
EDIT I hadn't realized this before but Goatmen were originally derived from the Umbaru, with their Shaman analogous to Witch Doctors. I hope we get to see more of them in DIII, it'll give us a lot more information about their culture and the Unformed Lands!
All in the Forger's wake is left bereft and fallow-Excerpt from the Litany of Residuum;
As Translated by He Who Brings Order
Where is it said that the Goatmen are related to the Umbaru Tribe? As I said before I'm no lore expert, so I'm wondering where you got this from.
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Wise ElderI think it's also worth noting though that angels and demons both have access to necromantic powers as well, so it's not out of my realm of imagination to think that either the Witch Doctor's learned it somewhere down the line or maybe even developed it on their own.
All in the Forger's wake is left bereft and fallow-Excerpt from the Litany of Residuum;
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I havn't really gotten much into Witch Doctors yet, except for the Umbaru-connection to the Goatmen (which I'm sure we'll hear more about over the course of the D3 story), but the whole balance of things seems to be a recurring theme for the current heroes - the monk talks quite a bit about it as well. However, this is only really their "goal", not really their powers. Then again, there's a lot of general "balance"-thing going on in the Diablo universe after the whole Nephalem-thing got elaborated.
TL;DR: I have no clue whether or not Witch Doctors are "magically-related" to Necromancers. Both options have merit, really.
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I'm going to dig further into that site, though that's some cool stuff that I hadn't seen before.
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All in the Forger's wake is left bereft and fallow-Excerpt from the Litany of Residuum;
As Translated by He Who Brings Order