Possible Spoilers, but more speculation as I do alot, but just incase spoiler tag is going up.
Now, as Cain sees "In the end of all things" Wisdom shall be lost, which according to the story Malthael dissappears just after the world stone is broken by Tyrael, and so far all the Soulstones have reflected the color of the person trapped inside,
"He wears black robes and a black breastplate."
Imperius is a bad bad dude but he is also an angel, who is to say he didn't trap Maltheal himself but not for helping us, but for trying to take us over.
"When Sanctuary was discovered, he abstained from the vote to decide its fate, claiming that at the end of all things only he will prevail."
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. . . And, at the End of Days, Wisdom shall be lost
as Justice falls upon the world of men.
Valor shall turn to Wrath -
and all Hope will be swallowed by Despair.
Death, at last, shall spread its wings over all -
as fate lies shattered forever."
"The Archangel Malthael is a member of the Angiris Council. He is the Archangel of Wisdom, and is speculated to also somehow hold the aspect of Death"
Duel personality? Or maybe the black soul stone is transforming him.
Curious. I wonder what it means "spread its wings over all" though. Maybe he intentionally tries to bring about the end of the eternal conflict in his infinite wisdom... Doesn't imperius hate humanity, I don't know that he'd care all that much what happens to them.
Curious. I wonder what it means "spread its wings over all" though. Maybe he intentionally tries to bring about the end of the eternal conflict in his infinite wisdom... Doesn't imperius hate humanity, I don't know that he'd care all that much what happens to them.
He does hate all Humanity, but he hates demons even more.
Maybe he jailed Malthael himself and needs mortal to break it open and unleash death?
I changed my mind, I don't think Imperius wants to kill Humanity anymore.
. . . And, at the End of Days, Wisdom shall be lost
as Justice falls upon the world of men.
Valor shall turn to Wrath -
and all Hope will be swallowed by Despair.
Death, at last, shall spread its wings over all -
as fate lies shattered forever."
When taken into context it probably means this...
Malthael is taken captive(corrupted)
Tyrael falls to Sanctuary
Imperius blames Wrath
Auriel dies by the hands of Izual(The Lord of Despair)
Malthael re-emerges as the Archangel of Death
Malthael kills Itherael.
I changed my mind, I don't think Imperius wants to kill Humanity anymore. . . .
That Imperius wants to eradicate humanity is the safest bet there is based on what we have. The entire finale of the Sin War insinuates it quite clearly, and the Book of Cain further reinforces that by explaining that Imperius has become more tyrannical and restless without a war to fight. The phrase "Valor shall turn to Wrath" fits well with this line of though.
When taken into context it probably means this... Malthael is taken captive(corrupted) Tyrael falls to Sanctuary Imperius blames Wrath Auriel dies by the hands of Izual(The Lord of Despair) Malthael re-emerges as the Archangel of Death Malthael kills Itherael. On to Diablo 3's expansion.
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Malthael's corruption far predates the events of D3 and do not seem directly related to Hell.
Who is Wrath?
Izual may have appeared on the Plains of Despair in D2, but that does not make him the Lord of Despar. He's not a Great Evil.
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I changed my mind, I don't think Imperius wants to kill Humanity anymore. . . .
That Imperius wants to eradicate humanity is the safest bet there is based on what we have. The entire finale of the Sin War insinuates it quite clearly, and the Book of Cain further reinforces that by explaining that Imperius has become more tyrannical and restless without a war to fight. The phrase "Valor shall turn to Wrath" fits well with this line of though.
When taken into context it probably means this... Malthael is taken captive(corrupted) Tyrael falls to Sanctuary Imperius blames Wrath Auriel dies by the hands of Izual(The Lord of Despair) Malthael re-emerges as the Archangel of Death Malthael kills Itherael. On to Diablo 3's expansion.
If so:
Malthael's corruption far predates the events of D3 and do not seem directly related to Hell.
Who is Wrath?
Izual may have appeared on the Plains of Despair in D2, but that does not make him the Lord of Despar. He's not a Great Evil.
(this isn't a post saying I'm right your wrong, I just love theorycrafting and come up with crazy shit which is all possible story wise)
Izual is on the same level if not higher then Azmodan, He will lead the charge straight into heaven, since he knows the way, he is as strong as an Archangel if not stronger now, I would say he is a great evil, if Imperius would be considered a "Great Evil" then Izual a former Archangel certainly would be.
And Malthael's corruption may pre-date D3 but the fact that he is missing and the prophecy that Cain read starts out as "the end of days" and one of Malthaels quotes he says " at the end of all things only he will prevail."
We don't know whom Wrath is yet, it could be Izual for all I know, Imperius may want to kill us all, but he has higher priorities atm, doesn't mean he won't try to kill us on his way to where ever he is going, or for us breaking into heaven, just that "He turns to Wrath" suggests he faces him rather then changing form, the fact that Wrath is capitulized suggets it is indeed a person or Demon.
Blizz said we would only face 2 of Azmodan's "Lords of Sin"..IE Greed and Lust, They never said we wouldn't see the other 5, Wrath, Gluttony, Pride, Despair, and Envy
The quote mentions Wratha nd Despair, so now that Diablo is gone it would serve to purpose that Izual joined with Azmodan to current ruler of hell and became the Lord of Despair.
Imperius already has the issue of pride, so if he is with Azmodan in some way he would be the "Lord of Pride".
I really think "Death" is Malthael and not Tathamet. Hes a angel and so he have wings.
"Death at least shall spread his wings over all" really sounds like "in the end only he (Malthael) will preveil".
I think when Malthael reappears he will be the Angel of Death and will kill everyone. Every angel, demon and human. With Sanctuary and nephalem discovered, looks like theres no solution for the Great Conflict (it almost feels like the Great Conflit is WW2 but with crazy angels vs. crazier demons instead... and you have "wish machines" called nephalem instead of nuclear weapons). Without a solution theres no place for Wisdom (once thats the point of wisdom.. finding solutions)...
I like the idea of the black soulstone being Malthael. It really explain why he is missing and maybe way he will kill everyone.
You know, the datamining has revealed that we will fight Rakanoth in the Library of Fate of the High Heavens - the quarter of Itherael. Maybe he sneaks into the Heavens, and Itherael finds him in his Library, and brings forth all the power at his command to destroy him, but fails and is "shattered forever", leading Auriel to literally "despair". Of course, this is not very likely, as he is only a servant of Azmodan, a Lesser Evil, while Auriel and Itherael are members of the Council...unless Azmodan has used the Black Soulstone to empower himself and his servants...
The Black Soulstone, by the way, is said to be capable of containing the essences of both angels and demons...make what you will of that.
A quote from the book will i think tell us what the original intention of the soulstone was..
Takne from The Hunt For Zoltun Kulle.
"He had become obsessed with soulstones and believed he could create one of his own---a vessel capable of harnessing the essences of both Angels and Demons. Zoltun Kulle would then use this Black Soulstone, Filled with Rage and Hope, Fear and Valor, as a substitute for his own black and empty heart."
The end is the most important part, Rage, could be destruction or hatred either one really, soat least one of Diablos brothers was intended to be put in this stone, Hope could mean auriel, which could explain the reason she is swallowed by Despair, She would be "swallowed" into the soulstone. Fear, or Terror could mean Diablo, and Valor could mean Imperius. If the purpose of the Soulstone was indeed to capture all four of these majestic beings into this one soulstone which was then to be used much like Baal's soulstone was, then Zoltun Kulle would have become an unstobbable monster with the powers of both Nephalem, Angels and Demons. This could be what the end of days is reffering to? Not sure...
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But what I don't get is why he's in the Library, not in the Gardens of Hope. Could Rakanoth really beat Auriel, though, if they had to fight it out? And Auriel and Itherael aren't the only angels in the Library/Gardens, according to the Book of Cain - are the others just ignoring them and pretending to not notice as the two of them are being swallowed/shattered by demons?
By the way, this is from the Cinematic, and it shows Tyrael fighting Rakanoth:
So, Lord of Anguish? Can the lesser evils be replaced then? Is it just a self-appointed title? Or has Rakanoth actually become the embodiment of Anguish, effectively replacing Andariel?
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Be it through hallowed grounds or lands of sorrow
All in the Forger's wake is left bereft and fallow
Is the residuum worth the cost of destruction and maiming;
Or is the shaping a culling and exercise in taming?
The road's goal is the dark Origin of Being
But be wary through what thickets it winds.
-Excerpt from the Litany of Residuum;
As Translated by He Who Brings Order
From what i'm getting from this, the angels are basically turning in the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. Imperius-> War, Wisdom->Death, So on and so forth.. wonder who the last two are.
Rakanoth is referred as the Lord of Anguish in the datamined files, not the Lord of Despair.
Yes, he is...but his design, or so it seems, also names him as Lord of Despair, and Despair and Anguish are closely related. Furthermore, I think the part of the Prophecy concerning Auriel must have some significance and deeper meaning to it, so Rakanoth remains the most likely possibility.
Zzz I was referring to the "so on and so forth" as, the other two horsemen which is famine and pestilence, and the other angels turning into them which i just assumed the reader would put two and two together... I mean, If valor-> war (wrath), wisdom-> death, then that leaves the obvious conclusion that the other angels will turn into famine and pestilence, or some form of it. Let's see, IF hope turns into "despair", one could assume pestilence, what could be more woeful then disease, destruction, and outright evil? Despair is that outcome. Now that leaves us with the last angel, and it reads "fate lies shattered forever".. Fate--> Famine? This one I don't know. This is all just merely my own thoughts on it atleast.. I mean, we have 3/4 of the horsemen easily.
War (Valor->wrath), Death (Wisdom->Death...) Pestilence (Hope->Despair) Famine (Fate->"Shattered") whatever the last one means.
How can you put so on and so forth when there are 2 more things to say, you should look up: "when should I use so on and so forth"
Also I think you put that cause you do not know who the other two are, but if you do can you share with the rest of us, who aren`t as smart as you to figure out who the other two archangels that turn into the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are.
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"He wears black robes and a black breastplate."
Imperius is a bad bad dude but he is also an angel, who is to say he didn't trap Maltheal himself but not for helping us, but for trying to take us over.
"When Sanctuary was discovered, he abstained from the vote to decide its fate, claiming that at the end of all things only he will prevail."
"
. . . And, at the End of Days, Wisdom shall be lost
as Justice falls upon the world of men.
Valor shall turn to Wrath -
and all Hope will be swallowed by Despair.
Death, at last, shall spread its wings over all -
as fate lies shattered forever."
"The Archangel Malthael is a member of the Angiris Council. He is the Archangel of Wisdom, and is speculated to also somehow hold the aspect of Death"
Duel personality? Or maybe the black soul stone is transforming him.
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Maybe he jailed Malthael himself and needs mortal to break it open and unleash death?
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Moderator. . . And, at the End of Days, Wisdom shall be lost
as Justice falls upon the world of men.
Valor shall turn to Wrath -
and all Hope will be swallowed by Despair.
Death, at last, shall spread its wings over all -
as fate lies shattered forever."
When taken into context it probably means this...
Malthael is taken captive(corrupted)
Tyrael falls to Sanctuary
Imperius blames Wrath
Auriel dies by the hands of Izual(The Lord of Despair)
Malthael re-emerges as the Archangel of Death
Malthael kills Itherael.
On to Diablo 3's expansion.
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Izual is on the same level if not higher then Azmodan, He will lead the charge straight into heaven, since he knows the way, he is as strong as an Archangel if not stronger now, I would say he is a great evil, if Imperius would be considered a "Great Evil" then Izual a former Archangel certainly would be.
And Malthael's corruption may pre-date D3 but the fact that he is missing and the prophecy that Cain read starts out as "the end of days" and one of Malthaels quotes he says " at the end of all things only he will prevail."
We don't know whom Wrath is yet, it could be Izual for all I know, Imperius may want to kill us all, but he has higher priorities atm, doesn't mean he won't try to kill us on his way to where ever he is going, or for us breaking into heaven, just that "He turns to Wrath" suggests he faces him rather then changing form, the fact that Wrath is capitulized suggets it is indeed a person or Demon.
Blizz said we would only face 2 of Azmodan's "Lords of Sin"..IE Greed and Lust, They never said we wouldn't see the other 5, Wrath, Gluttony, Pride, Despair, and Envy
The quote mentions Wratha nd Despair, so now that Diablo is gone it would serve to purpose that Izual joined with Azmodan to current ruler of hell and became the Lord of Despair.
Imperius already has the issue of pride, so if he is with Azmodan in some way he would be the "Lord of Pride".
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"Death at least shall spread his wings over all" really sounds like "in the end only he (Malthael) will preveil".
I think when Malthael reappears he will be the Angel of Death and will kill everyone. Every angel, demon and human. With Sanctuary and nephalem discovered, looks like theres no solution for the Great Conflict (it almost feels like the Great Conflit is WW2 but with crazy angels vs. crazier demons instead... and you have "wish machines" called nephalem instead of nuclear weapons). Without a solution theres no place for Wisdom (once thats the point of wisdom.. finding solutions)...
I like the idea of the black soulstone being Malthael. It really explain why he is missing and maybe way he will kill everyone.
The Black Soulstone, by the way, is said to be capable of containing the essences of both angels and demons...make what you will of that.
Takne from The Hunt For Zoltun Kulle.
"He had become obsessed with soulstones and believed he could create one of his own---a vessel capable of harnessing the essences of both Angels and Demons. Zoltun Kulle would then use this Black Soulstone, Filled with Rage and Hope, Fear and Valor, as a substitute for his own black and empty heart."
The end is the most important part, Rage, could be destruction or hatred either one really, soat least one of Diablos brothers was intended to be put in this stone, Hope could mean auriel, which could explain the reason she is swallowed by Despair, She would be "swallowed" into the soulstone. Fear, or Terror could mean Diablo, and Valor could mean Imperius. If the purpose of the Soulstone was indeed to capture all four of these majestic beings into this one soulstone which was then to be used much like Baal's soulstone was, then Zoltun Kulle would have become an unstobbable monster with the powers of both Nephalem, Angels and Demons. This could be what the end of days is reffering to? Not sure...
By the way, this is from the Cinematic, and it shows Tyrael fighting Rakanoth:
All in the Forger's wake is left bereft and fallow-Excerpt from the Litany of Residuum;
As Translated by He Who Brings Order
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War (Valor->wrath), Death (Wisdom->Death...) Pestilence (Hope->Despair) Famine (Fate->"Shattered") whatever the last one means.
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