Yes, they know all the rubble will be within this perimeter they setup, but they don't know where each piece will land. The rubble is randomly and choatically strewn within a set perimeter.
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]"Fool! You have just ensured the doom of this world. You cannot even begin to imagine what you've set in motion this day. Go to the Temple of Light, in the eastern ciry of Kurast. There you will find the gate to Hell opened before you. You must find the courage to step through that gate Marius. Take the stone you hold to the Hellforge, where it will be destroyed. Now run! Take the stone and run!"
lolll, this is heading into the whole 'chaos theory' thing that is a freaking huuuuge concept that I still can't understand and that sounds pretty stupid anyway.
Yes, they know all the rubble will be within this perimeter they setup, but they don't know where each piece will land. The rubble is randomly and choatically strewn within a set perimeter.
Of course there is some chaos. There is some chaos in everything we do. But for all intensive purpouses they know where it's going. It's not like they think its going to fall left and it sky rockets to the right.
There is still a form of order to be had, even in destroying a building, if there wasn't then stuff would be flying everywhere, and there would be at least a 5000% increase in deaths suffered by demolitions crews.
yes, but he was never arguing that. His whole point was that the rubble was chaotic. Not the actual destruction.
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[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]"Fool! You have just ensured the doom of this world. You cannot even begin to imagine what you've set in motion this day. Go to the Temple of Light, in the eastern ciry of Kurast. There you will find the gate to Hell opened before you. You must find the courage to step through that gate Marius. Take the stone you hold to the Hellforge, where it will be destroyed. Now run! Take the stone and run!"
This started with me saying "destruction only creates chaos". Let's rephrase that into "Destruction always creates chaos". That way, Baal's title still fits him, while the Angel of Death can remain a servant of Heaven.
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This isn't the quote I was looking for, but its still an interesting thought:
Demons aren’t as jealous as the stewards of Light would have you believe. Nor are they as controlling as the stewards of Light. I ask you, who always has the most rules? The most limitations?
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I was googling for some Diablo lore when I found this thread. I've only read one of the books, but I think the above quote says it best about the demons coerciveness.
The above quote is interesting when you think about it; I believe it is false and completely the opposite. Demons are more jealous and controlling than their Heavenly counterparts.
How many angels disguise themselves as demons to coerce the humans of Sanctuary? In the book Kingdom of Shadow it's not the angels that want to get to Sanctuary, it's the humans that try to get to Heaven. (Think of it like the US and illegal immigration. I don't think Heaven is out their trying to get a foothold in Sanctuary. They are just trying to keep Hell out.) It only takes a dire step when a demon comes along and disguises himself as an archangel. I'd say it is at this point, when the demon gains control that the kingdom is under even more rules and limitations.
I also question the guise of the followers of Rathma. I'd say that Trag-Oul is a false god created by the demons to help fight the Light, even though the followers of Rathma also fight the Darkness. The demons probably see it as a petty sacrifice for the few of their ilk that are lost along the way, as long as it gives them another ally against the Light.
I also question the guise of the followers of Rathma. I'd say that Trag-Oul is a false god created by the demons to help fight the Light, even though the followers of Rathma also fight the Darkness. The demons probably see it as a petty sacrifice for the few of their ilk that are lost along the way, as long as it gives them another ally against the Light.
Trag-Oul being real or not, no clue.
But the necromancers don't just fight evil, they keep the balance.
I suppose its possible that Trag'oul is really a demon in disguise, but that would be a crap twist. There's never been any hints or clues to support that, so it would be completely unexpected but in a bad way. Twists are only good if you can look back and see the clues. Trag'oul represents the moral to the story - 'maintain the balance'.
I suppose Heaven aren't really fighting to get a foothold in Sanctuary, but that could just be their plan. They appear to not want it, so humans will favour it. Demons say that force is better to persuade mortals, but I don't think its working very well. We don't really like to do things that we are made to do lol (ie. school, chores, work). Maybe angels want us to think that they aren't trying to control us? You know, like how people say to manipulate people into doing things, its good to make them think that it was their idea in the first place.
In Diablo I and II i have seen a great deal of influence from the more sinister side of the war, but very little of the High Heavens. I think that the new Diablo game (MMO or otherwise) should implement alot more of the influence of the heavens. Be it to aid, hinder, guide, or lead astray. In the "Sin War" trilogy, the High Heavens play a somewhat minor role as well untill the final book (I will not spoil this for you). The books had a very noble ideal. One should not be guided too strongly by the light or the dark. One should live life in the middle, and may someday lean one way or the other depending on the circumstances. But one should always strive for a balance.
As i slash through the legions of Diablo's minions (Well technically Diablo, Baal, and Mephisto's minions, but the game never really gave the other two any credit as i am led to believe they are all equal rulers of the Burning Hells) I see very little persuasion from the "light" to do so. Except in the case of the paladin, whom has been trained for decades with the ideals of the "light" in mind. Wouldn't you all like to actually see the realm of the angelic court? Wouldn't you like to possibly take up arms against angels who have wronged humanity in secret for their own selfish gains? It has happened before with humanity and i'm sure it will happen again.
I want to see this interaction occur. I want to see your journey lead you to a path of either righteousness or pure survival. But not just because the game says that's why you're doing it. I want to see the High Heavens actually plead their case. I want to see the High Heavens offer you aid if it is requested (Following a storyline of course). Why should we as sentient beings follow their supposed omnipotent whims?
As much as most games have a goal of striving for "good" don't you think we should have a reason why, and even a choice of if we will or not?
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Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
Of course there is some chaos. There is some chaos in everything we do. But for all intensive purpouses they know where it's going. It's not like they think its going to fall left and it sky rockets to the right.
There is still a form of order to be had, even in destroying a building, if there wasn't then stuff would be flying everywhere, and there would be at least a 5000% increase in deaths suffered by demolitions crews.
So you admit there is ordered destruction?
I do believe we are on topic. The order of Heaven in Sanctuary being capable of destruction being compared to a demolition of a building.
Or do you mean the "light vs dark" in Diablo lore?
I was googling for some Diablo lore when I found this thread. I've only read one of the books, but I think the above quote says it best about the demons coerciveness.
The above quote is interesting when you think about it; I believe it is false and completely the opposite. Demons are more jealous and controlling than their Heavenly counterparts.
How many angels disguise themselves as demons to coerce the humans of Sanctuary?
In the book Kingdom of Shadow it's not the angels that want to get to Sanctuary, it's the humans that try to get to Heaven. (Think of it like the US and illegal immigration. I don't think Heaven is out their trying to get a foothold in Sanctuary. They are just trying to keep Hell out.) It only takes a dire step when a demon comes along and disguises himself as an archangel. I'd say it is at this point, when the demon gains control that the kingdom is under even more rules and limitations.
I also question the guise of the followers of Rathma. I'd say that Trag-Oul is a false god created by the demons to help fight the Light, even though the followers of Rathma also fight the Darkness. The demons probably see it as a petty sacrifice for the few of their ilk that are lost along the way, as long as it gives them another ally against the Light.
Trag-Oul being real or not, no clue.
But the necromancers don't just fight evil, they keep the balance.
I suppose Heaven aren't really fighting to get a foothold in Sanctuary, but that could just be their plan. They appear to not want it, so humans will favour it. Demons say that force is better to persuade mortals, but I don't think its working very well. We don't really like to do things that we are made to do lol (ie. school, chores, work). Maybe angels want us to think that they aren't trying to control us? You know, like how people say to manipulate people into doing things, its good to make them think that it was their idea in the first place.
Freaking mind games.
As i slash through the legions of Diablo's minions (Well technically Diablo, Baal, and Mephisto's minions, but the game never really gave the other two any credit as i am led to believe they are all equal rulers of the Burning Hells) I see very little persuasion from the "light" to do so. Except in the case of the paladin, whom has been trained for decades with the ideals of the "light" in mind. Wouldn't you all like to actually see the realm of the angelic court? Wouldn't you like to possibly take up arms against angels who have wronged humanity in secret for their own selfish gains? It has happened before with humanity and i'm sure it will happen again.
I want to see this interaction occur. I want to see your journey lead you to a path of either righteousness or pure survival. But not just because the game says that's why you're doing it. I want to see the High Heavens actually plead their case. I want to see the High Heavens offer you aid if it is requested (Following a storyline of course). Why should we as sentient beings follow their supposed omnipotent whims?
As much as most games have a goal of striving for "good" don't you think we should have a reason why, and even a choice of if we will or not?