I'm totally stuck trying to clear GR93 with my UE MS build. I'm fairly certain all of the gear is about as optimized as I can get it complete with lvl80 augments on nearly all items. I'm around p900 level.
I've tried to study wudijo's guides and play like him (constantly hop around/stutter-step fire while always moving) but I find it extremely difficult to stutter-step in his style even after lengthy practice sessions in town. I also find that I do better if I just do my standard "kill everything" style as I progress through vs. his hop around all the way through the level then stop and decide now's a good time to shoot stuff every now and then. I die all of the time hopping around like that. Heck, I die all the time with my method too, but it still works better for me.
The closest I've come is within 3s of clearing it but my impression is with my paragon level and gear I should at least be able to clear GR99 and get into the solo leaderboard which is my goal for this (my first ever) season.
I think if you don't stutter step and/or do the other crazy things Wudijo and other top DHs do, GR93 with your gear/paragon is quite a good result already. To go higher you'll need to either simply become more powerful (higher gems by doing some group GRs, though it's difficult to find a spot as a DH; more paragon, better gear) or "step up your gameplay" which includes stuff like stutter stepping.
What do you reckon is your biggest limitation, damage or survivability? What caught my eye is the fact that you have incredibly low HP (less than 500k) due to the fact that you have almost no vitality on the pieces where it could be an option (e.g., shoulders, hands, offhand). Sometimes just becoming a bit more tanky allows for more time to shoot because you have to vault less often. Also makes sure your discipline always is super maxed out. I also don't like stutter stepping, and I found it good to always go a bit more defensive (sometimes even by switching one item to a defensive choice, such as Esoteric, though with that setup of course 99 isn't an option - but I haven't tried to really "push" with UE).
Maybe someone else will provide some insights, it's been some time since I played myself. But you made me consider going back and trying what I can achieve as well... just waiting for the post-season "gear merge"
Heya Bag, nice to see you around, use your tools and information all of the time. Cheers for those. :-)
For me it's easier to stutter by "single clicking" ie, not using the force move on mouse button thing and instead single clicking in the general direction I want to stutter but my attacks per second go way, way down like this. Someone suggested moving force move to space bar, so perhaps I'll give that a try. One odd thing I noticed sometimes was by doing the single click move method and firing just 1-2 MS shots in at a time (vs holding down the MS button for seconds at a time) the mobs seem to somehow die as fast as they do when I'm sitting there holding the mouse button down with max APS which makes no sense to me. If I'm sitting there hammering away at absolute max APS (which should equal DPS) why would tossing a MS hit in once per second be faster than the 2+ times per second I get holding down the button?
Biggest limitation is, well, both. :-P Die fairly often but also seem to take ages to knock out elites, especially when trying to group up trash along with elites and drag them along like the pros do, there's just no way I get in enough DPS while attacking on the move (this is obviously the counterpoint to the "sometimes" above). I do have plenty of alternative gear, even ancient, in my stash still that trades DPS for Vit that I can switch back to, I was under the impression the best method is to keep life at around 500-600k and then focus on DPS above almost all else so that's what I've been doing.
Regarding 4mans, I wonder if there are gem leveling communities that would be willing to run at around 100 with me as a semi-leech DPS support like there are for power leveling, g/rift farming, etc.
Uhm yeah... about that... I got a powerlevel on HC, played solo for 15 hours to get Guardian, and then stopped (so GR75 was my highest). Partially because of too busy with work, but partially also because friends stopped playing and I'm lacking motivation. But as I said, you inspired me to maybe trying to get GR100 on NS (SC) - should be fairly easy actually with close to p2k and 115 gems. Just never tried. I just farmed gear for DHs so often, I can't find the motivation to do it on season if there's no other reason. Even a few new items would give me a goal - but I'm missing the D2 equivalent of high-level runes and super rare uniques that make playing always worthwhile. So I can't really comment on details right now ;-)
One thing to note though is that I'd *definitely* recommend switching to force move. I did this a long time ago, can't remember when, but there's no going back (recently started Grim Dawn and realized how annoying it is that the "force move" there works different, so in all the D3 bashing we often forget how many things this game gets absolutely right). It's a bit of a learning curve - what I do is basically I always have force move pressed and just hit shift to shoot. You might also try binding force move to scroll wheel; if that works out for you it's HUGE, but I personally just felt too much strain on my finger to constantly scroll. Give it a try! In the beginning it might be a setback as adjusting takes some time, but it definitely helps.
Hi,
I'm totally stuck trying to clear GR93 with my UE MS build. I'm fairly certain all of the gear is about as optimized as I can get it complete with lvl80 augments on nearly all items. I'm around p900 level.
I've tried to study wudijo's guides and play like him (constantly hop around/stutter-step fire while always moving) but I find it extremely difficult to stutter-step in his style even after lengthy practice sessions in town. I also find that I do better if I just do my standard "kill everything" style as I progress through vs. his hop around all the way through the level then stop and decide now's a good time to shoot stuff every now and then. I die all of the time hopping around like that. Heck, I die all the time with my method too, but it still works better for me.
The closest I've come is within 3s of clearing it but my impression is with my paragon level and gear I should at least be able to clear GR99 and get into the solo leaderboard which is my goal for this (my first ever) season.
Here's a link to my recorded gameplay on Twitch, but unfortunately it was some of my worst attempts: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/265290676
Here's a link to my profile: https://us.diablo3.com/en/profile/minifrizzle-1425/hero/100275676
Any advice?
Cheers!
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ModeratorI think if you don't stutter step and/or do the other crazy things Wudijo and other top DHs do, GR93 with your gear/paragon is quite a good result already. To go higher you'll need to either simply become more powerful (higher gems by doing some group GRs, though it's difficult to find a spot as a DH; more paragon, better gear) or "step up your gameplay" which includes stuff like stutter stepping.
What do you reckon is your biggest limitation, damage or survivability? What caught my eye is the fact that you have incredibly low HP (less than 500k) due to the fact that you have almost no vitality on the pieces where it could be an option (e.g., shoulders, hands, offhand). Sometimes just becoming a bit more tanky allows for more time to shoot because you have to vault less often. Also makes sure your discipline always is super maxed out. I also don't like stutter stepping, and I found it good to always go a bit more defensive (sometimes even by switching one item to a defensive choice, such as Esoteric, though with that setup of course 99 isn't an option - but I haven't tried to really "push" with UE).
Maybe someone else will provide some insights, it's been some time since I played myself. But you made me consider going back and trying what I can achieve as well... just waiting for the post-season "gear merge"
Heya Bag, nice to see you around, use your tools and information all of the time. Cheers for those. :-)
For me it's easier to stutter by "single clicking" ie, not using the force move on mouse button thing and instead single clicking in the general direction I want to stutter but my attacks per second go way, way down like this. Someone suggested moving force move to space bar, so perhaps I'll give that a try. One odd thing I noticed sometimes was by doing the single click move method and firing just 1-2 MS shots in at a time (vs holding down the MS button for seconds at a time) the mobs seem to somehow die as fast as they do when I'm sitting there holding the mouse button down with max APS which makes no sense to me. If I'm sitting there hammering away at absolute max APS (which should equal DPS) why would tossing a MS hit in once per second be faster than the 2+ times per second I get holding down the button?
Biggest limitation is, well, both. :-P Die fairly often but also seem to take ages to knock out elites, especially when trying to group up trash along with elites and drag them along like the pros do, there's just no way I get in enough DPS while attacking on the move (this is obviously the counterpoint to the "sometimes" above). I do have plenty of alternative gear, even ancient, in my stash still that trades DPS for Vit that I can switch back to, I was under the impression the best method is to keep life at around 500-600k and then focus on DPS above almost all else so that's what I've been doing.
Regarding 4mans, I wonder if there are gem leveling communities that would be willing to run at around 100 with me as a semi-leech DPS support like there are for power leveling, g/rift farming, etc.
So you played UE MS early in s13, how'd it go?
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ModeratorOne thing to note though is that I'd *definitely* recommend switching to force move. I did this a long time ago, can't remember when, but there's no going back (recently started Grim Dawn and realized how annoying it is that the "force move" there works different, so in all the D3 bashing we often forget how many things this game gets absolutely right). It's a bit of a learning curve - what I do is basically I always have force move pressed and just hit shift to shoot. You might also try binding force move to scroll wheel; if that works out for you it's HUGE, but I personally just felt too much strain on my finger to constantly scroll. Give it a try! In the beginning it might be a setback as adjusting takes some time, but it definitely helps.