I'm not sure what else I can say about it. I think concerned people really shouldn't underestimate the parents of children to keep their kids from playing overtly violent games. Nor do I think we should put all our faith in the rating system either. Nor do I think a violent video game can induce a person into violence as if they were to commit a violence, they were likely predisposed toward it anyway, as goodguy stated.
If ever I have a child, my biggest concern about video games will simply be whether or not he/she becomes dumb and lethargic cause all they do is play video games. I may not be able to protect them from all the content that I think is inappropriate for their age, but I'm sure I'll be able to control the amount of time spent playing video games.
There is no such thing as content inappropriate for an age. All content is appropriate.
There is one simple problem with video games - they are highly enjoable, therefore, if you do not explain to your kid why should he do anything besides video games, you are in trouble.
There is no such thing as content inappropriate for an age. All content is appropriate.
Well that's just where you and I differ. I'm proud of you though that you've never been disturbed by anything you've seen on television, movies, or video games as a child.
Anything disturbing shall be unidentified. I have been rewatching many movies I saw during childhood, and I never remembered any of the gruesome or sexual parts from them. A child is disinterested in that stuff because he or she cannot identify it. In fact, they sooner he or she gets used to them, the better, so that you won't end up with a kid suddenly seeing someone naked and having a psychological breakdown because now they DO understand what it is but they NEVER saw it before...
Anything disturbing shall be unidentified. I have been rewatching many movies I saw during childhood, and I never remembered any of the gruesome or sexual parts from them. A child is disinterested in that stuff because he or she cannot identify it. In fact, they sooner he or she gets used to them, the better, so that you won't end up with a kid suddenly seeing someone naked and having a psychological breakdown because now they DO understand what it is but they NEVER saw it before...
Eh, that just sounds like an ultra liberal thing to say. I don't think we should underestimate how kids can perceive content. I also don't really believe there is such a thing as desensitization. I mean, if I found someone being decapitated as disturbing and nauseating, watching someone being decapitated over and over is not going to desensitize me to it. It will only make it worse.
Everybody is going to find different things disturbing, scary, or nauseating depending on what their personality is. Your argument doesn't convince me. It's not like you can't gradually explain to a child as they become older what things like sex and violence are without allowing them to watch gory movies or some porn. Does allowing them to watch porn sound too extreme? Of course. But so does not caring at all what your child is exposed to. And I know we won't be able to protect them from everything that might come along, but that doesn't mean we should have no standards as to what they can watch and play.
Sianoq, you just have to explain to that kid of yours that TV is not real. I always knew that and TV could not scare me. Documentary videos always scared me a lot more because they were real. The farthest it went was nightmares from movies like Poltergeist and Videodrome (but those are not gore, those are suspence and surrealism) but I the nightmares that I got on my own were a lot worse. Movies with a lot of gore went by unnoticed. I remember there was something in it but it didn't look like anything I would concentrate my attention on... Sex was certainly skipped all the time. I may remember "this was there" but it was never identified.
I believe that a child does not view violence the way you think they view it. They have some sort of their own opinion about it, so it often affects them less than it affects teens or some adults. How am I different from any kids? I'm not.
Porn is directed, and you won't show that because it's directed, just as you won't show a gore-directed movie (I saw one, tho, in a cinema, in fact, didn't affect me AT ALL), because they don't have that stuff "in-between", they have it as the main point which is why they can write themselves on the retina of your child's eye.
But in a visual where violence/sex are a PART of a story, not the main point of it, it's different.
And, yes, you will NOT protect your child from seeing a very gory movie at about the age of 5 or something. Nor will you protect them from seeing sex. Unless you don't have a TV of course. But if they can use a computer they certainly can find anything off the internet (mind you, I never did). I think it's better if they see it off the TV and give it some kind of an identity, than they see something from their "friend".
What should be your main worry is not WHAT your child sees, because they'll see anything, your worry should be HOW they will regard it, and that is your main task as a parent, to explain to them what is what and what's good or bad or real or unreal. Your child will get exposed to drugs sooner or later. And you are not going to protect them from that. You are going to tell them what the problem with drugs is so that they don't do it. If you have that ability, of course, most parents don't if 98% of teens do pot, and I'm not surprised so much sci-fi includes kids raised by anyone but not their parents...
Besides, childhood is the only time when you can get really scared by a movie.. I wouldn't want that to have been taken away from me.
Sianoq, you just have to explain to that kid of yours that TV is not real. I always knew that and TV could not scare me. Documentary videos always scared me a lot more because they were real. The farthest it went was nightmares from movies like Poltergeist and Videodrome (but those are not gore, those are suspence and surrealism) but I the nightmares that I got on my own were a lot worse. Movies with a lot of gore went by unnoticed. I remember there was something in it but it didn't look like anything I would concentrate my attention on... Sex was certainly skipped all the time. I may remember "this was there" but it was never identified.
I'm wondering whether it works to explain something to all kids. I can agree with you that it's a matter of making the kid understand that it is not real, but whether or not that can be done through conversation I question.
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I believe that a child does not view violence the way you think they view it. They have some sort of their own opinion about it, so it often affects them less than it affects teens or some adults. How am I different from any kids? I'm not.
Hypothetical question: How would you know whether or not you are different from any other kid? I would say everyone is different from every other kid, otherwise they'd be the same person.
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(I saw one, tho, in a cinema, in fact, didn't affect me AT ALL)
How would you know that it didn't? How can you ever make an objective statement about yourself, when the only judge is what you're trying to evaluate?
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I believe that a child does not view violence the way you think they view it. They have some sort of their own opinion about it, so it often affects them less than it affects teens or some adults. How am I different from any kids? I'm not.
You certainly were different than me as a kid. Just cuz you had these experiences and were perfectly fine with them doesn't mean other kids could. That seems to be your justification here.
I'm wondering whether it works to explain something to all kids. I can agree with you that it's a matter of making the kid understand that it is not real, but whether or not that can be done through conversation I question.
If your kid does not listen to you than there is nothing you can do for him, he's on his own.
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Hypothetical question: How would you know whether or not you are different from any other kid? I would say everyone is different from every other kid, otherwise they'd be the same person.
I believe that at birth, everyone is mentally the same unless they have some mental disabilities, and if such mental disablities do exist they are, at most, insinuated, but not created by, violence.
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How would you know that it didn't? How can you ever make an objective statement about yourself, when the only judge is what you're trying to evaluate?
Because I don't remember it. Because I have no evil thoughts on that subject. Because I don't want to kill anybody. Because I am still scared of blood and wounds in real life. And a lot of other indications of "normality". I am not crazy.
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You certainly were different than me as a kid.
No we just had different parents, different countries.
I believe that at birth, everyone is mentally the same unless they have some mental disabilities, and if such mental disablities do exist they are, at most, insinuated, but not created by, violence.
I personally do not believe that. I don't think you need to have a mental disability just to be mentally different than others. You don't even need to apply the nuances of variation to see that mental disabilities aside, no one is really the same at all mentally.
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Because I don't remember it. Because I have no evil thoughts on that subject. Because I don't want to kill anybody. Because I am still scared of blood and wounds in real life. And a lot of other indications of "normality". I am not crazy.No we just had different parents, different countries.
I'm sure one thing we can all agree on is that we were all raised differently. I was kind of sensitive growing up and if I saw someone being decapitated on television, or a women being raped, it didn't matter to me if it was all just an act; fiction as it were. I knew those things did exist in the real world and I would try to imagine what it might feel like to be decapitated and still surviving for just a few moments longer and being in shock, or as a women the physical pain one would endure as well as the nausea of being raped. And seeing those things at a young age, didn't help me become desensitized to those things. Being so unprepared to see those things and immature as I was, I didn't know how to contextualize such violence. Now when I see things like that, I have more experience and knowledge to put such things into context.
And since we were all raised differently, we will all probably raise our kids differently as well. I don't want to shelter my kids from reality at all. But nor do I want to be so liberal to let them watch whatever they want on the basis of not actually being real. In other words, I'll do what I can to educate them on the realities of the world, but at the same time, I will make attempts to make that education a steady-paced process that will continue as they get older.
I think adults are paying too little attention to their children and too much to what their children experience. That is what I don't like in all those claims that television sprouts violence. If the kid understands it exist, I don't see how that is harmful. It is the sad truth of this world. You are not going to lie to your kid until he's a teen that the world is a good flowery place. What point are you trying to make? That kids are more affected by television than adults are? I disagree a lot of adults have breakdowns from stuff they did not see before while some kids watch it and are fine with it. That kids will begin to be controlled by the TV rather than you? Well that's a question of your parenting and the kid's intelligence. You can't block anybody from anything, it's there, and if your kid goes crazy, the reason is probably YOU, not the TV, not the computer, not the friends, it all goes down to parenting and intelligence.
I believe that at birth, everyone is mentally the same unless they have some mental disabilities, and if such mental disablities do exist they are, at most, insinuated, but not created by, violence.
That I do not believe. Everyone has a brain with minor differences within it. DNA does not make all brains identical at creation, merely similar in that they all are capable of utilizing the same funcions such as learning, memorizing, logical thinking etc. But that does not make is identical. Every kid grows up with different starting conditions. Some are simply smarter and will forever remain so. Others are naturally better at playing instruments. These skills can be trained to be sure, and forgotten, or not used, but the starting point and maximum point remains different for all persons. (In today's society, who knows what advance physics will be able to do in the future.)
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Because I don't remember it. Because I have no evil thoughts on that subject. Because I don't want to kill anybody. Because I am still scared of blood and wounds in real life. And a lot of other indications of "normality". I am not crazy.
Just because you don't remember it consciously is hardly proof for me. Watching gory movies at an early age does affect you, in the same way as everything in your surroundings always affect you. Your brain stores it all (or parts of it all anyway) and there it remains. It doesn't make you crazy, but it does make you a different person from everybody else.
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Not necessarily, whether it turns out to be bad or not is a combination of upbringing and genetical composition. Some people are simply bound to react to visual violence in a different way, whether or not their parents do a "good" job.
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Not necessarily, whether it turns out to be bad or not is a combination of upbringing and genetical composition. Some people are simply bound to react to visual violence in a different way, whether or not their parents do a "good" job.
Indeed. Although there are minor anomalies, "Man is his surrounding's product" is a very ancient, true line, and defines most cases of personalities (even disoriented ones).
On the other hand, in some cases a person with a certain type of parents will rebel against their way of life, as every other specie in the animal kingdom. Yes, I'm regarding man as an animal for he is of this sort, driven by instincts and desires. Although we differ from other animals by our emotions and the ability to reflect our actions, we are still animals- Very developed animals (while some will say underdeveloped for our destructive ways, but evil exists in all cultures, no matter how advanced they are), and therefore humans rebel, mostly at their teenage years, statisticly proven.
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98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature. <- Just for you, Chaos, and just because it's true.
On the other hand, in some cases a person with a certain type of parents will rebel against their way of life, as every other specie in the animal kingdom. Yes, I'm regarding man as an animal for he is of this sort, driven by instincts and desires.
Man is not an animal. Animal have no intelligence, men do, there we start to differ, you may call the behavior of man having similarity with animals but it applies mainly to the mass (low-intelligent, e.g., more animalistic). But a mad scientist has nothing, NOTHING to do with an animals, the beliefs, the drives are very different. In fact, only man has sex for pleasure and eat for pleasure and w/e, animals have it for other reasons, because they do not understand what pleasure is. Even there, they differ. Man is not an animal it's something else, something very different.
Most kids rebel because they do not trust their parents. They do not trust their parents because those do not listen to them, regard them as minors, and lie to them. Anyone would rebel in that situation.
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That is the key to great parenting, if you are for example angry at your child then most of the time the child does not understand why, explaining the child why you are angry in the first place will help the child to see its error, being secretive about some natural/realistic things will only help the child perceive it as unnatural/taboo wich doesn't help anybody.
That's my point, and you are quoting the wrong person.
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Btw, i was sexual active (not "doing it" active) at a early age too, about 9 years old. (i don't mean the innocent "sitting in bathtub with girlfriend" at age 5, because that got nothing to do with "sex")
Err, how can you be sexually active without having sex?
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I'm not sure what else I can say about it. I think concerned people really shouldn't underestimate the parents of children to keep their kids from playing overtly violent games. Nor do I think we should put all our faith in the rating system either. Nor do I think a violent video game can induce a person into violence as if they were to commit a violence, they were likely predisposed toward it anyway, as goodguy stated.
If ever I have a child, my biggest concern about video games will simply be whether or not he/she becomes dumb and lethargic cause all they do is play video games. I may not be able to protect them from all the content that I think is inappropriate for their age, but I'm sure I'll be able to control the amount of time spent playing video games.
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You must force them to play Diablo as homework
There is one simple problem with video games - they are highly enjoable, therefore, if you do not explain to your kid why should he do anything besides video games, you are in trouble.
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Everybody is going to find different things disturbing, scary, or nauseating depending on what their personality is. Your argument doesn't convince me. It's not like you can't gradually explain to a child as they become older what things like sex and violence are without allowing them to watch gory movies or some porn. Does allowing them to watch porn sound too extreme? Of course. But so does not caring at all what your child is exposed to. And I know we won't be able to protect them from everything that might come along, but that doesn't mean we should have no standards as to what they can watch and play.
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I believe that a child does not view violence the way you think they view it. They have some sort of their own opinion about it, so it often affects them less than it affects teens or some adults. How am I different from any kids? I'm not.
Porn is directed, and you won't show that because it's directed, just as you won't show a gore-directed movie (I saw one, tho, in a cinema, in fact, didn't affect me AT ALL), because they don't have that stuff "in-between", they have it as the main point which is why they can write themselves on the retina of your child's eye.
But in a visual where violence/sex are a PART of a story, not the main point of it, it's different.
And, yes, you will NOT protect your child from seeing a very gory movie at about the age of 5 or something. Nor will you protect them from seeing sex. Unless you don't have a TV of course. But if they can use a computer they certainly can find anything off the internet (mind you, I never did). I think it's better if they see it off the TV and give it some kind of an identity, than they see something from their "friend".
What should be your main worry is not WHAT your child sees, because they'll see anything, your worry should be HOW they will regard it, and that is your main task as a parent, to explain to them what is what and what's good or bad or real or unreal. Your child will get exposed to drugs sooner or later. And you are not going to protect them from that. You are going to tell them what the problem with drugs is so that they don't do it. If you have that ability, of course, most parents don't if 98% of teens do pot, and I'm not surprised so much sci-fi includes kids raised by anyone but not their parents...
Besides, childhood is the only time when you can get really scared by a movie.. I wouldn't want that to have been taken away from me.
Hypothetical question: How would you know whether or not you are different from any other kid? I would say everyone is different from every other kid, otherwise they'd be the same person.
How would you know that it didn't? How can you ever make an objective statement about yourself, when the only judge is what you're trying to evaluate?
I believe that at birth, everyone is mentally the same unless they have some mental disabilities, and if such mental disablities do exist they are, at most, insinuated, but not created by, violence.
Because I don't remember it. Because I have no evil thoughts on that subject. Because I don't want to kill anybody. Because I am still scared of blood and wounds in real life. And a lot of other indications of "normality". I am not crazy. No we just had different parents, different countries.
I'm sure one thing we can all agree on is that we were all raised differently. I was kind of sensitive growing up and if I saw someone being decapitated on television, or a women being raped, it didn't matter to me if it was all just an act; fiction as it were. I knew those things did exist in the real world and I would try to imagine what it might feel like to be decapitated and still surviving for just a few moments longer and being in shock, or as a women the physical pain one would endure as well as the nausea of being raped. And seeing those things at a young age, didn't help me become desensitized to those things. Being so unprepared to see those things and immature as I was, I didn't know how to contextualize such violence. Now when I see things like that, I have more experience and knowledge to put such things into context.
And since we were all raised differently, we will all probably raise our kids differently as well. I don't want to shelter my kids from reality at all. But nor do I want to be so liberal to let them watch whatever they want on the basis of not actually being real. In other words, I'll do what I can to educate them on the realities of the world, but at the same time, I will make attempts to make that education a steady-paced process that will continue as they get older.
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Just because you don't remember it consciously is hardly proof for me. Watching gory movies at an early age does affect you, in the same way as everything in your surroundings always affect you. Your brain stores it all (or parts of it all anyway) and there it remains. It doesn't make you crazy, but it does make you a different person from everybody else.
Indeed. Although there are minor anomalies, "Man is his surrounding's product" is a very ancient, true line, and defines most cases of personalities (even disoriented ones).
On the other hand, in some cases a person with a certain type of parents will rebel against their way of life, as every other specie in the animal kingdom. Yes, I'm regarding man as an animal for he is of this sort, driven by instincts and desires. Although we differ from other animals by our emotions and the ability to reflect our actions, we are still animals- Very developed animals (while some will say underdeveloped for our destructive ways, but evil exists in all cultures, no matter how advanced they are), and therefore humans rebel, mostly at their teenage years, statisticly proven.
It's not death you should be afraid of.. it's life.
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98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you're one of the 2% who hasn't, copy & paste this in your signature. <- Just for you, Chaos, and just because it's true.
Most kids rebel because they do not trust their parents. They do not trust their parents because those do not listen to them, regard them as minors, and lie to them. Anyone would rebel in that situation. That's my point, and you are quoting the wrong person. Err, how can you be sexually active without having sex?