What do you guys think of this crazy ass shooting in Denver, CO? A guy goes into the theaters all dressed up in armor and a gas mask, claims to be the Joker, and starts hurling smoke bombs everywhere and then opens fire on the crowd.
12 are confirmed dead and at least 70 wounded. Apparently, they are now adding security to major theaters playing the new Batman movie (which is probably a tad reactionary, but still). I guess now the politicians need to have another gun control debate. That always comes up inevitably after a shooting. And people will try to make sense of this event, but I don't see the point of that. This is as senseless as things get and I'm not sure there's as much to be learned from it as some would think. It's just senseless bullshit.
America spent hundreds of billions of dollars since September 11 to prevent "terrorist" attacks from apparent foreign "terroriest organisations". Perhaps they should start from internal control.
I don't know. That's a pretty general statement. Most people don't wanna be padded down at airports let alone movie theaters. And we don't wanna have to change the way we live just cause of an incident like this. Though large in scale, it still remains an incident I think. But some may find that public shootings are becoming something of a pattern; that there is a sociological explanation developing for them.
I went to see the movie tonight, when I told that to people I know they all told me that I should maybe wait a couple of days because it might be organized terrorism attacks. I don't understand why people think that, any terrorist groups would have attacked at the same time, albeit different locations before national security measures could be taken. (I live in Canada too, so it isn't the states, though people seem to think that whatever happens in the states might happen in Canada) I do admit I made a few jokes to my friends sending text messages after the movie was done claiming there was a shooting, got a few people who thought I was being serious.
I've always thought people shouldn't be able to carry weapons, but what do I know, I'm against harming people in any way. I do hope the states finally do something about gun control, but I know that won't prevent such things from happening again, but it's a start...
Most gun violence that occurs every year is attributed more to gang violence which is attributed more to the sale of illegal drugs. That's where all your deaths by firearm are racking up every year. It's all just violence over drugs. And that's where I get politically charged about it. I think no matter what you do anywhere, it's hard to stop this sort of thing from happening. So gun control isn't going ultimately stop the madmen bent on shooting people up.
But the kinds of gun violence that do have a more identifiable pattern, such as that associated with gang violence, we know the solutions for those problems. Politically, however, our leaders are too afraid to make those changes cause we're afraid doing a thing such as legalizing a drug leads to a slippery slop where society becomes completely amoral. And voters are too stupid to not be idealistic for a second and try to view problems in a more pragmatic way.
Instead of thinking "People will always do drugs so how can we reduce their impact on society," they instead think, "Drugs are wrong and should be illegal no matter what." Right now Mexico is riddled with gang violence, all who thrive on the sale of illegal drugs, and all who drop tons of bodies each day using guns. That's because there is profit in what they do. You take away their abilities to make profits of such a thing, and gun violence would drop like crazy.
Thats another thing that chaps my ass. The use of the word terrorist. Foreign terrorists, domestic terrorists, oh god they're everywhere. Lets bring the terror alert system back, its magenta what does that mean?! SOMETHING MOVED IN THE BUSH ITS A TERRORIST!
People need to just calm down. Terrorism rarely happens, domestic terrorism even less. Put as many measures as you want in place to make things "secure" all you're doing is alienating actual decent citizens. Do you think if I terrorist is standing in line he's going to go through the machine or a pat down? No. He's either going to leave, or blow up right there.
Same goes for guns, knives, whatever. How many people are actually caught trying to commit a terrorist act? Well there was the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber and both of them already had made it onto the plane anyways. I'd rather not have my junk groped and prodded needlessly and I don't want to go through one of those new cancer machines they have set up either.
And yes terrorism is such a tiny threat in comparison to how many people die do to drug related violence at the borders and in inner cities.
Thats another thing that chaps my ass. The use of the word terrorist. Foreign terrorists, domestic terrorists, oh god they're everywhere.
Not to nitpick, but terrorism is anything that creates fear, technically you could consider all the news reporting on that attack terrorist. But back on topic, unless it's an organized group doing this kind of thing, we shouldn't need to be informed of this, this can only lead to people thinking they might get the "recognition they deserve" if we acknowledge them.
Yeah, and it just bothers me the way both the right and left will capitalize on this incident. The left saying, "See? We need more gun control!" And the right saying, "The Dems will use this as a chance to take away your precious guns! But we won't let them!"
I mean, yeah that would be fucking scary if shootings were in fact becoming a regular pattern. But the last major domestic shooting we had like this was....2009 I believe? When that military guy shot up a lot of people on the military base. There was Virginia Tech of course, too. And sure, these stories totally stand out above all other headlines, but they remain the exception. So I just hate how people use these kinds of incidents as a rallying cry for political causes.
But there's nothing to make of this other than the fact that this was a crazy fucker with a gun. And yes, we can also make the argument that gun control would have prevented him from doing as much damage cause if he had only a single pistol then obviously he couldn't kill as many people. And while that is true, I also believe people will find ways to get what they want and find all sorts of ways to kill lots of people no matter what.
That said, I'm personally in favor of gun control but I don't think advocating gun control means you're anti-gun. I just think we need a policy that more accurately reflects the times we live in instead of relying wholly on an archaic document as a justification to be armed to the teeth. The longer we rely on the wording of the Constitution as the sole basis for our laws, the more out of touch those laws become as the drafters of the Constitution simply could not envision the kinds of problems our country would have today.
I'm just all for having an open discussion about this and examining the policies of guns and gun control from a less partisan point of view and more from a simple public policy view based more on relevant and recent data. But people instead invoke this holy document that is just so infallible supposedly clear as day for making all our laws and we need to move beyond this silly reverence we have for the Constitution. Yeah, I get it. It's a brilliant document and it always will because it was really visionary for its time. But it just doesn't have the same relevance it used to.
But back on topic, unless it's an organized group doing this kind of thing, we shouldn't need to be informed of this, this can only lead to people thinking they might get the "recognition they deserve" if we acknowledge them.
Not sure what you mean by that exactly. Like, are you saying they shouldn't even report on this? Or by informed do you mean we just shouldn't look more into what is seemingly there. Cause yeah I'd agree in the sense that we shouldn't politicize this incident or try to make in into anything that it's not.
I personally don't think the gunman had the motive of being recognized though or anything like that. And I'll especially hate if people try to apply Joker's lame logic here in this discussion as well since the gunman claimed he was the Joker.
But back on topic, unless it's an organized group doing this kind of thing, we shouldn't need to be informed of this, this can only lead to people thinking they might get the "recognition they deserve" if we acknowledge them.
Not sure what you mean by that exactly. Like, are you saying they shouldn't even report on this? Or by informed do you mean we just shouldn't look more into what is seemingly there. Cause yeah I'd agree in the sense that we shouldn't politicize this incident or try to make in into anything that it's not.
What I'm saying is that some unstable people might see this, think "Oh, I might be heard if I do something crazy like this" and go ahead with some evil doing that they might not go through with if it didn't get such media attention. Like they should mention it, but not give the attention they might be looking for.
What I'm saying is that some unstable people might see this, think "Oh, I might be heard if I do something crazy like this" and go ahead with some evil doing that they might not go through with if it didn't get such media attention. Like they should mention it, but not give the attention they might be looking for.
It is hard not to give the incident a lot of attention. That is a lot of people dead from a single man. But people also move on past these stories surprisingly fast. I mean, when Virginia Tech happened people talked about that like crazy for two weeks and then sort of just forgot about it. That's our collective attention span to things like this. But again, I'm not sure the motive here is to get attention. Maybe it is, I don't know. But I don't think a potential gunman seeing this story would necessarily conclude that yeah, I can get a lot of attention too if I do the same thing!
But I do get your point. There are lots of people everyday who do not even dangerous things, but really really stupid things and I hate that they get any press coverage at all. But they do regardless.
While stricter laws and more security may help, it makes it hard for regular people to live and enjoy life. It's not a very good solution, i'm just happy these sort of things happen much, much less often where i'm from.
Actually on the topic of gun laws it definitely wouldn't hurt to have stronger regulations against hand guns
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Actually on the topic of gun laws it definitely wouldn't hurt to have stronger regulations against hand guns
Yeah definitely wouldn't hurt, I agree.
But my problem goes back to what I was saying earlier. That the majority of gun violence in the U.S. and Mexico is a result of gangs and organized crime who benefit from the sale of illegal drugs. Work toward taking away their market share of drugs and thus their financing, and the statistics of gun violence would drop like crazy.
However, greater gun control in the end may do very little to deter that crazed lone gunman who's set on shooting a bunch of innocent people for no reason. That's all.
Most people who are killed with guns within the US, I bet my arm, it's illegal guns rather than once obtained legitimately.
I believe everyone initially has the right to own some form of gun. I don't think automatics and semi automatics are necessary, maybe require special permits for that, but I think it's in best interest of the people to be able to defend themselves if needed.
Now those rights start to change when people are convicted of crimes. Anyone who has been arrested and convicted of a violent crime should have less rights to own a gun. People who have been proven medically to be a danger to others should have less rights. There are a lot of things that I would agree should probably limit the right to own a gun but I really don't think more gun laws than we have currently are going to make things any more safe.
That guy had planned to kill those people, if he didn't have easy access to guns do you think that would have stopped him? You can find out how to make a bomb on google. Were the guns even registered to him? Nothing is going to stop bad people from doing bad things. The only thing it's going to do is put good people through situations where even their own bodies aren't private. I don't think people should just be conditioned to accept that.
Also, many of these shooters who have massacred people in this way had no prior convictions or any signs they were a danger to society at all. This guy who shot up the theater was apparently in or about to start his PhD in neuroscience so by all accounts he was a productive citizen just going to school earning his degree. Now, as we examine his profile as the story progresses, we may find there were indeed warning signs, but they are likely to go beyond people saying, "Yeah, that guy gave me the creeps sometimes." And it's not like when you do your background check before purchasing an assault rifle that they ask, "Have you ever gave someone the creeps before?"
Like, gun control is a good thing. But, it's actually not the solution to these problems here. As to why I might think gun control is a good thing is actually not even part of this argument. I say that though cause I think most people would agree that no amount of gun control was likely to have stopped what happen in that movie theater. There are many externalities to the things we accept in daily life. We wanna have our guns? Then we gotta accept this sort of thing may happen from time to time. So you wanna try and stop it from happening through more stringent gun laws? Well, you might actually. But it just depends on how determined that person is to get the gun. And we also know that an outright ban of guns wouldn' make guns go away. It just means they would exist in a black market which the existence of causes all sorts of problems on its own just the same way the market for illegal drugs do.
If that had happened in Texas the headline would have read: "Armed man shot by movie crowd after opening fire in theatre"
Yes, I'm sure all the Texans would've been saved in a dark movie theater cause if they have permits to carry guns like that, well then they must all be expert marksman and trained to respond in a calculating way to being shot at. LOL
But see? It's hard to talk about these incidents without eventually someone just saying how they should/shouldn't have the right to own or carry a gun. But I don't think that's the point here.
But yeah what happened is very sad and it's sick that all of these politicians and media will turn it into their own personal circus to push whatever agenda and make the most money they can.There is a difference in reporting on something and the facts of what happened and then what's going to happen, which is they will sensationalize it. The guy (whether he wanted it or not) will get a spotlight shined on him, the incident will be used in political ways, it will be all over the news for a while and people will be trying to figure out why and ask themselves why.
You can't possibly find logic in the actions of someone who is acting completely illogical at the time. It's just a senseless act of violence and I don't think it points towards anything necessarily.
You can't possibly find logic in the actions of someone who is acting completely illogical at the time. It's just a senseless act of violence and I don't think it points towards anything necessarily.
Mm hm. There's nothing political about any of it. It's just insanity.
12 are confirmed dead and at least 70 wounded. Apparently, they are now adding security to major theaters playing the new Batman movie (which is probably a tad reactionary, but still). I guess now the politicians need to have another gun control debate. That always comes up inevitably after a shooting. And people will try to make sense of this event, but I don't see the point of that. This is as senseless as things get and I'm not sure there's as much to be learned from it as some would think. It's just senseless bullshit.
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This is sad though.
Making more gun laws isn't going to help because obviously criminals don't obey the law.
I've always thought people shouldn't be able to carry weapons, but what do I know, I'm against harming people in any way. I do hope the states finally do something about gun control, but I know that won't prevent such things from happening again, but it's a start...
But the kinds of gun violence that do have a more identifiable pattern, such as that associated with gang violence, we know the solutions for those problems. Politically, however, our leaders are too afraid to make those changes cause we're afraid doing a thing such as legalizing a drug leads to a slippery slop where society becomes completely amoral. And voters are too stupid to not be idealistic for a second and try to view problems in a more pragmatic way.
Instead of thinking "People will always do drugs so how can we reduce their impact on society," they instead think, "Drugs are wrong and should be illegal no matter what." Right now Mexico is riddled with gang violence, all who thrive on the sale of illegal drugs, and all who drop tons of bodies each day using guns. That's because there is profit in what they do. You take away their abilities to make profits of such a thing, and gun violence would drop like crazy.
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People need to just calm down. Terrorism rarely happens, domestic terrorism even less. Put as many measures as you want in place to make things "secure" all you're doing is alienating actual decent citizens. Do you think if I terrorist is standing in line he's going to go through the machine or a pat down? No. He's either going to leave, or blow up right there.
Same goes for guns, knives, whatever. How many people are actually caught trying to commit a terrorist act? Well there was the shoe bomber and the underwear bomber and both of them already had made it onto the plane anyways. I'd rather not have my junk groped and prodded needlessly and I don't want to go through one of those new cancer machines they have set up either.
And yes terrorism is such a tiny threat in comparison to how many people die do to drug related violence at the borders and in inner cities.
I mean, yeah that would be fucking scary if shootings were in fact becoming a regular pattern. But the last major domestic shooting we had like this was....2009 I believe? When that military guy shot up a lot of people on the military base. There was Virginia Tech of course, too. And sure, these stories totally stand out above all other headlines, but they remain the exception. So I just hate how people use these kinds of incidents as a rallying cry for political causes.
But there's nothing to make of this other than the fact that this was a crazy fucker with a gun. And yes, we can also make the argument that gun control would have prevented him from doing as much damage cause if he had only a single pistol then obviously he couldn't kill as many people. And while that is true, I also believe people will find ways to get what they want and find all sorts of ways to kill lots of people no matter what.
That said, I'm personally in favor of gun control but I don't think advocating gun control means you're anti-gun. I just think we need a policy that more accurately reflects the times we live in instead of relying wholly on an archaic document as a justification to be armed to the teeth. The longer we rely on the wording of the Constitution as the sole basis for our laws, the more out of touch those laws become as the drafters of the Constitution simply could not envision the kinds of problems our country would have today.
I'm just all for having an open discussion about this and examining the policies of guns and gun control from a less partisan point of view and more from a simple public policy view based more on relevant and recent data. But people instead invoke this holy document that is just so infallible supposedly clear as day for making all our laws and we need to move beyond this silly reverence we have for the Constitution. Yeah, I get it. It's a brilliant document and it always will because it was really visionary for its time. But it just doesn't have the same relevance it used to.
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Not sure what you mean by that exactly. Like, are you saying they shouldn't even report on this? Or by informed do you mean we just shouldn't look more into what is seemingly there. Cause yeah I'd agree in the sense that we shouldn't politicize this incident or try to make in into anything that it's not.
I personally don't think the gunman had the motive of being recognized though or anything like that. And I'll especially hate if people try to apply Joker's lame logic here in this discussion as well since the gunman claimed he was the Joker.
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What I'm saying is that some unstable people might see this, think "Oh, I might be heard if I do something crazy like this" and go ahead with some evil doing that they might not go through with if it didn't get such media attention. Like they should mention it, but not give the attention they might be looking for.
But I do get your point. There are lots of people everyday who do not even dangerous things, but really really stupid things and I hate that they get any press coverage at all. But they do regardless.
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Actually on the topic of gun laws it definitely wouldn't hurt to have stronger regulations against hand guns
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But my problem goes back to what I was saying earlier. That the majority of gun violence in the U.S. and Mexico is a result of gangs and organized crime who benefit from the sale of illegal drugs. Work toward taking away their market share of drugs and thus their financing, and the statistics of gun violence would drop like crazy.
However, greater gun control in the end may do very little to deter that crazed lone gunman who's set on shooting a bunch of innocent people for no reason. That's all.
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I believe everyone initially has the right to own some form of gun. I don't think automatics and semi automatics are necessary, maybe require special permits for that, but I think it's in best interest of the people to be able to defend themselves if needed.
Now those rights start to change when people are convicted of crimes. Anyone who has been arrested and convicted of a violent crime should have less rights to own a gun. People who have been proven medically to be a danger to others should have less rights. There are a lot of things that I would agree should probably limit the right to own a gun but I really don't think more gun laws than we have currently are going to make things any more safe.
That guy had planned to kill those people, if he didn't have easy access to guns do you think that would have stopped him? You can find out how to make a bomb on google. Were the guns even registered to him? Nothing is going to stop bad people from doing bad things. The only thing it's going to do is put good people through situations where even their own bodies aren't private. I don't think people should just be conditioned to accept that.
If that had happened in Texas the headline would have read: "Armed man shot by movie crowd after opening fire in theatre"
Like, gun control is a good thing. But, it's actually not the solution to these problems here. As to why I might think gun control is a good thing is actually not even part of this argument. I say that though cause I think most people would agree that no amount of gun control was likely to have stopped what happen in that movie theater. There are many externalities to the things we accept in daily life. We wanna have our guns? Then we gotta accept this sort of thing may happen from time to time. So you wanna try and stop it from happening through more stringent gun laws? Well, you might actually. But it just depends on how determined that person is to get the gun. And we also know that an outright ban of guns wouldn' make guns go away. It just means they would exist in a black market which the existence of causes all sorts of problems on its own just the same way the market for illegal drugs do.
Yes, I'm sure all the Texans would've been saved in a dark movie theater cause if they have permits to carry guns like that, well then they must all be expert marksman and trained to respond in a calculating way to being shot at. LOL
But see? It's hard to talk about these incidents without eventually someone just saying how they should/shouldn't have the right to own or carry a gun. But I don't think that's the point here.
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You can't possibly find logic in the actions of someone who is acting completely illogical at the time. It's just a senseless act of violence and I don't think it points towards anything necessarily.
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