I don't hate christians, I just hate people who shove their religion in my face. Theres a lot of people who do that to me. So I hate a lot of people. Like Harold Camping. I follow him to laugh at him. A man who doesn't follow his own faith by predicting rapture? I can't wait to see his explanation for October 21, 2011 the new rapture date. It was his excuse for the 21st of may.
I agree... I hate people that shove their religion in my face too. This is why I despise the majority of aethists.
hey man if u feel someone is shoving their religion in ur face, especially Crhistianity, just asked them this, "Am i free to believe what I want?" they'll say yes and they'll probly leave u alone. Oh and if u ever do come by true Christians just ask them what their cross is? and if they answer with an actual person or situation, then i suggest you listen but if not then feel free to ignore. Oh and a true christian is also very loose with his money, ask them for it and see wat happens, lol
Why are you mentioning Christianity at all? Once again, you've either shown very poor analytical skills or not worded yourself as intended. Hell is not exclusive to the christian religion if that's where you got the cue to frame your reply.
And since I'm not fond of expanding on faulty assumptions, I will concede that I don't understand the second paragraph(the words in full capital letters are not helping either). If you could elaborate(without double negatives if possible), that would be nice.
First, I apologize for not being able to fully reply to your posts. I have several people going at me at one time, as well as work to do (I am at work).
Hell, Heaven, and God universal concepts that apply to several religions (if you look at it indepth). Daosts believe in the "Dao" and Buddhists believe in "Enlightentment". If you study Daoism, you would understand that translated, Dao means the path. Heaven, enlightenment, the Dao, etc are all the end, whereas religion is a means to an end. I have a somewhat feeling that all religions are related somewhat in that we all believe in the same "god"... we just have significantly different interpretations of what "god" is.
My belief is that God is something more than what the modern interpretation of him is. I do not believe that God is simply an omnipitent being sitting on a throne. I believe he is something much more than that... something outside of the ream of our universe.
“We act as though comfort and luxury were the chief requirements of life, when all that we need to make us happy is something to be enthusiastic about.” - Albert Einstein
well hell is something we choose, not something God throws our way. and you say hes extemely christian so tell me how many brothers and sisters do you have? or What is God? or Who is God? or even better what does he believe the cross is?
just curious cause if he's a extremely Christian, didnt kno there were levels/ranks of being a Christian, I wanna meet him.
You are doing what many do incorrectly... basing a black or white label on Christianity. There are SEVERAL denominations of christianty that range from the politically and/or theologically left to the politically and/or theologically right. Christianity is more of a diamond than a left right scale.
All it takes to be considered a christian is a belief in Christ.
you are doing what many also do incorrectly which is consider being a Christian just a religion or belief, where in fact Christianity is NOT a religion or just a belief, but a way of life. You can tell a Christian apart from the way he lives his life. Now im a catholic so i have catholic beliefs and a baptist has baptist beleifs so on and so forth but a Crhistian is the same anywhere. Anyone can say they believe in Christ but that does not make them a Christian. because what is their belief based on, is it on fear of hell, or just because his parents believed. I could also ask this, if a Christian is simply a belief in Christ, then who is Christ? and what does that have to do with you or me or anybody. And i didnt put a label on anything just pointing out the fact that pple use the word Christian to loosely, if you researched the history behind being Christian and what a Christian is, you'd be amazed as i was. and other thing Christianity is NOT a morality.
Being Catholic is a way of life. Being a Christian is a (set) of belief(s). Aethism is not a way of life... it is a belief.
The source is counciousness operating infinitely in the whole spectrum of light.
I think its time we let go our old beliefs and restrains. We can still read into the holy books that already have but always remember that they are a subject of interpretation. These books can offer us great knowledge.
Untill we wont develop a language that cannot be interpreted we will be still disagreeing about things and even some things which may look as defenite to some, might still look unreasonable to others... Interpretation.
Saying that according to current evidence that God does not exist is a tough one because you need to define what is God for you. For an example, i could believe that conciousness is simply always existing metaphysicaly. I could believe that the nature we precieve around us, is actually light that shines in specific waves and creates certain illusions for us to see, hear etc.
I could totally say that this is enough evidence for me to believe that there actually is a conciousness energy. Not a deity and not a being, but simply energy waves. And that is what could be called, Intelligent infinity.
An entity like Yahweh could only be a being operating in this field of light and precieved by us as a creator of worlds. Just because we are so tiny, its actually kind of funny. An ant could live its whole life unaware of your presence, even if you were standing right untop of her.
The field of Ufo'logy and archeology are connected to our modern understanding of the universe. Not to talk about modern physics etc. I think that only when space proggrams will run by private corporations and commitees, all of the information could be disclosed to the public. As long as our space proggrams are dare i say, militaristic, then we will only be fed with piles of bullshit.
I just think that people should be more open minded.
Well I don´t think one can prove the existance of god. John Lennon said "god is concept". And logic says that the part can´t comprehend the whole, so the phrase "prove it exists" would be invalid even if God really does.
All we can do for now is accpet that both science and religion are way to biased some times. Science is supposed to change its beliefs when new discoveries are made, confirming or denying theories and adpting to what is known at the time - they have a real hard time doing so. And religions needs to see that all books were written by men, using their knowlodge and vocabulary and based on their culture, so many concepts beyond "be good", "love", can in fact be allegories, and don't forget that religion is also a domination tool (medieval europe)
But science is getting into something not so materialistic:
1 - Studies on nonlocal consciousness - You are not your brain! Maybe YOU don´t die when your body cease to function.
2 - Akashic Field or something like it - Conection between everything desregards of distance or any known connection, still researching with particles .
3 - Subatomical strutctures - hindu guys are saying that like forever.
4 - Influence of prays and good thoughts on ill peopple that doesn't even know they are being targeted by these factors - to avoid any kind of placebo or psicological effect to cause self restore.
And the good old situations you can´t explain with conventional science:
1 - Edgar Cayce (and others)reads on health, exactly location to find oil (depths and quantity included) - He was right on 50k reads and was not generical ones like "oh you should eat vegetabeles to get better"
2 - Children speaking languages that nobody ever spoken next to them, or knowing precise facts of a person on another country they never met.
3 - Peopple that died for short periods of time (no brain function) and rememberd what happened at the room or saw everything from a top perspective (telling medical mistakes, conversation and a stuff they could not see from the bed perspective)
4 - Mediunic paints and writings, tested and approved by arts and caligraphy experts, done by peopple with no paint/writing skills at all.
Atheists are, in general, as litteral and short sighted as any religious fanatics. They just lean to the opposite side.
You are wrong to say that we cannot prove things, only disprove them. This is truly incorrect. E.g. I can easily prove that there is an infinite amount of integers. I can prove that the earth is a sphere. etc.
What I dont understand about your position is how you automatically attribute something you dont understand (i.e. where the matter in the universe came from) to a special being "God". You say he is not a "man on a throne", however this is what popular religions depict him as. If you are calling "god" whatever was before the universe, then by way of labels, any atheist would be fine with that. The fact is, what you're saying doesn't matter because you are just making stuff up and giving it a label. What real religions/theology talk about god is an omnipresent being that exists RIGHT NOW all around us that is watching us and influencing us and accepting us into his everlasting kingdom.
You didn't read what I said... I said there is no such thing as a postive fact (something that has been proven)... only something that is a negative fact (something that has been disproven). In freshmen level science classes they explain that all science is... is a set of rules that have yet to be disproven. Science is built from the ground up on THEORIES.
You try to rationalize your statement on an infinite amount of integers. You cannot explain that... because:
1.) You cannot prove that math is inherently correct. It is only correct to the point that it has not been proven incorrect.
2.) Your example of math uses conditions that cannot be defined and/ or explained. What is ANYTHING / 0? How is it that imaginary numbers are used in mathmatical conditions but they are just that... imaginary?
Next... you do not apparently understand the concept of aethism. Aethism is not that you don't believe in the christian god. It is that you believe in NOTHING. ZIP. NADA. I guess you do not understand the whole thread so far as a whole... because this is not Christian god vs aethism. This is "God" versus nothing.
1.) I can prove that math works. It makes planes fly and bridges stand up? Ok I could just be dreaming and tomorrow I will wake up as a zombie on mars, but thinking like a skeptic achieves nothing.
2.) Is this a troll argument? Which part of imaginary numbers don't you get? By depicting an imaginary solution to the square root of minus 1, several real world math problems can be solved. Any first year should know this. Diving by zero is simple, you are trying to say "lets see how many times we can put nothing into something". This is a logical problem, the answer approaches infinity.
Next.... I do understand the concept of this thread thank you very much. I was trying to say that you say just making up something and calling it God. If you want to play the game where you define God to be something, then you are just giving a label to something. I could call my keyboard "God", I could call anything "God". This is what you are doing! You are calling whatever was before the big bang as "God". As an atheist I am cool with that. I prefer to call it "What was before the big bang".
1.) I can prove that math works. It makes planes fly and bridges stand up? Ok I could just be dreaming and tomorrow I will wake up as a zombie on mars, but thinking like a skeptic achieves nothing.
2.) Is this a troll argument? Which part of imaginary numbers don't you get? By depicting an imaginary solution to the square root of minus 1, several real world math problems can be solved. Any first year should know this. Diving by zero is simple, you are trying to say "lets see how many times we can put nothing into something". This is a logical problem, the answer approaches infinity.
Next.... I do understand the concept of this thread thank you very much. I was trying to say that you say just making up something and calling it God. If you want to play the game where you define God to be something, then you are just giving a label to something. I could call my keyboard "God", I could call anything "God". This is what you are doing! You are calling whatever was before the big bang as "God". As an atheist I am cool with that. I prefer to call it "What was before the big bang".
Have a nice day.
I'm not going to take the time to respond to you more than this. Every one of your posts has been hostile and close minded. You are obviously set in your head whatever you believe and will not discuss what you believe without acting combative.
I keep telling you guys....Time and space do not exist. You're looking at it all wrong.
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1.) I can prove that math works. It makes planes fly and bridges stand up? Ok I could just be dreaming and tomorrow I will wake up as a zombie on mars, but thinking like a skeptic achieves nothing.
2.) Is this a troll argument? Which part of imaginary numbers don't you get? By depicting an imaginary solution to the square root of minus 1, several real world math problems can be solved. Any first year should know this. Diving by zero is simple, you are trying to say "lets see how many times we can put nothing into something". This is a logical problem, the answer approaches infinity.
Next.... I do understand the concept of this thread thank you very much. I was trying to say that you say just making up something and calling it God. If you want to play the game where you define God to be something, then you are just giving a label to something. I could call my keyboard "God", I could call anything "God". This is what you are doing! You are calling whatever was before the big bang as "God". As an atheist I am cool with that. I prefer to call it "What was before the big bang".
Have a nice day.
I'm not going to take the time to respond to you more than this. Every one of your posts has been hostile and close minded. You are obviously set in your head whatever you believe and will not discuss what you believe without acting combative.
I'm sorry you feel that way as I was quite looking forward to your response. I am never attacking the person, I am simply attacking your argument. I am actually completely open minded having traversed from a 100% god believer to a 100% atheist over several years. I also fully respect anyone to be a theist (as are many of my friends/relatives).
I am more than happy to be proven that God exists.
I was simply trying to point out that arguing from the skeptics point of view doesn't achieve anything. You are actually completely valid in calling whatever was before the big bang as "God". I am simply saying I dont know what was before the big bang and dont feel the need to fill that void with an intelligent being (because who created THAT being etc. ad infinitim).
At a stage I enjoyed some of the comments and now I come back, 4 pages later, and it's just insults and anger. I should have known though, these threads always go from bad to worse. I think everyone deserves to believe what he/she believes in. I LOVE the fact that our world is so diverse. It shows how deep a species we can be and how we long for individuality.
You know, I would love to live in a world where I can tell people what I believe in and they tell me what they believe in, we weigh the merits and see the good in what we each believe in. We can learn from one another, and that is why we live on this planet, to learn and grow as individuals and as a species.
We have long way to go as a species.
well hell is something we choose, not something God throws our way. and you say hes extemely christian so tell me how many brothers and sisters do you have? or What is God? or Who is God? or even better what does he believe the cross is?
just curious cause if he's a extremely Christian, didnt kno there were levels/ranks of being a Christian, I wanna meet him.
You are doing what many do incorrectly... basing a black or white label on Christianity. There are SEVERAL denominations of christianty that range from the politically and/or theologically left to the politically and/or theologically right. Christianity is more of a diamond than a left right scale.
All it takes to be considered a christian is a belief in Christ.
you are doing what many also do incorrectly which is consider being a Christian just a religion or belief, where in fact Christianity is NOT a religion or just a belief, but a way of life. You can tell a Christian apart from the way he lives his life. Now im a catholic so i have catholic beliefs and a baptist has baptist beleifs so on and so forth but a Crhistian is the same anywhere. Anyone can say they believe in Christ but that does not make them a Christian. because what is their belief based on, is it on fear of hell, or just because his parents believed. I could also ask this, if a Christian is simply a belief in Christ, then who is Christ? and what does that have to do with you or me or anybody. And i didnt put a label on anything just pointing out the fact that pple use the word Christian to loosely, if you researched the history behind being Christian and what a Christian is, you'd be amazed as i was. and other thing Christianity is NOT a morality.
Being Catholic is a way of life. Being a Christian is a (set) of belief(s). Aethism is not a way of life... it is a belief.
so in other words our beliefs dont have an effect on the way we live? is that wat ur saying? ur saying as a christian that we all have the same beliefs but i believe the current pope is a representation of the first pope, which is peter, n he has a unique link to God. other denomations dont believe that and therefore have different beliefs. so how can denominations be a way of life when the difference is our beliefs on how things are and how they should be. Another way I could put it is why is there the existance of other denominations wat caused the division. wat is so different between a catholics way of life and a baptist's for instance?
so in other words our beliefs dont have an effect on the way we live? is that wat ur saying? ur saying as a christian that we all have the same beliefs but i believe the current pope is a representation of the first pope, which is peter, n he has a unique link to God. other denomations dont believe that and therefore have different beliefs. so how can denominations be a way of life when the difference is our beliefs on how things are and how they should be. Another way I could put it is why is there the existance of other denominations wat caused the division. wat is so different between a catholics way of life and a baptist's for instance?
I'm saying that all you need to do to be considered a "Christian" is believe in Christ/God. Everything else is fluff and fall into the relm of your subsect (denomination) of Christianity.
On a side note, did you know that South Americans don't consider Catholics as "Christians"? My wife tells me all the time "I'm not christian... I'm catholic." Apparently down there they label all other christians (protestants) as christians and catholics as catholics.
1.) I can prove that math works. It makes planes fly and bridges stand up? Ok I could just be dreaming and tomorrow I will wake up as a zombie on mars, but thinking like a skeptic achieves nothing.
2.) Is this a troll argument? Which part of imaginary numbers don't you get? By depicting an imaginary solution to the square root of minus 1, several real world math problems can be solved. Any first year should know this. Diving by zero is simple, you are trying to say "lets see how many times we can put nothing into something". This is a logical problem, the answer approaches infinity.
Next.... I do understand the concept of this thread thank you very much. I was trying to say that you say just making up something and calling it God. If you want to play the game where you define God to be something, then you are just giving a label to something. I could call my keyboard "God", I could call anything "God". This is what you are doing! You are calling whatever was before the big bang as "God". As an atheist I am cool with that. I prefer to call it "What was before the big bang".
Have a nice day.
I'm not going to take the time to respond to you more than this. Every one of your posts has been hostile and close minded. You are obviously set in your head whatever you believe and will not discuss what you believe without acting combative.
I'm sorry you feel that way as I was quite looking forward to your response. I am never attacking the person, I am simply attacking your argument. I am actually completely open minded having traversed from a 100% god believer to a 100% atheist over several years. I also fully respect anyone to be a theist (as are many of my friends/relatives).
I am more than happy to be proven that God exists.
I was simply trying to point out that arguing from the skeptics point of view doesn't achieve anything. You are actually completely valid in calling whatever was before the big bang as "God". I am simply saying I dont know what was before the big bang and dont feel the need to fill that void with an intelligent being (because who created THAT being etc. ad infinitim).
Anyway hope you change your mind. Adios
awww i enjoyed wat u guys had to say. its too bad
well if u wanna find God look for him in ur history, theres no need to go back to the big bang, besides thats only theory. besides i think the conversation was getting a little violent. the moment someone says the other is close minded its OVER cause u just judged them, just putting that out there.
awww i enjoyed wat u guys had to say. its too bad
well if u wanna find God look for him in ur history, theres no need to go back to the big bang, besides thats only theory. besides i think the conversation was getting a little violent. the moment someone says the other is close minded its OVER cause u just judged them, just putting that out there.
Its the fact that I have posts up and down the last how many pages debating/ defending my opinion, and then I get called or alluded to being a troll? In my opinion that is not very open.
Stay on topic please. This is a nice topic. It would be a shame if I had to close it.
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so in other words our beliefs dont have an effect on the way we live? is that wat ur saying? ur saying as a christian that we all have the same beliefs but i believe the current pope is a representation of the first pope, which is peter, n he has a unique link to God. other denomations dont believe that and therefore have different beliefs. so how can denominations be a way of life when the difference is our beliefs on how things are and how they should be. Another way I could put it is why is there the existance of other denominations wat caused the division. wat is so different between a catholics way of life and a baptist's for instance?
I'm saying that all you need to do to be considered a "Christian" is believe in Christ/God. Everything else is fluff and fall into the relm of your subsect (denomination) of Christianity.
On a side note, did you know that South Americans don't consider Catholics as "Christians"? My wife tells me all the time "I'm not christian... I'm catholic." Apparently down there they label all other christians (protestants) as christians and catholics as catholics.
really well thats the first i heard about that subject in South America. interesting. did u also kno that all evangelization in the new world(america) was done by catholics aswell as all paintings, or atleast most. also the purtians believed in predestination, in other words some pple were predestined to go to heaven while others to hell so why try to convert the natives. I learned this from a historian, pretty interesting, i thought.
I think we can agree that Christianity goes a little bit beyond just believing in Christ/God but also having a deep relationship with him. Agree or no?
First, I apologize for not being able to fully reply to your posts. I have several people going at me at one time, as well as work to do (I am at work).
Hell, Heaven, and God universal concepts that apply to several religions (if you look at it indepth). Daosts believe in the "Dao" and Buddhists believe in "Enlightentment". If you study Daoism, you would understand that translated, Dao means the path. Heaven, enlightenment, the Dao, etc are all the end, whereas religion is a means to an end. I have a somewhat feeling that all religions are related somewhat in that we all believe in the same "god"... we just have significantly different interpretations of what "god" is.
My belief is that God is something more than what the modern interpretation of him is. I do not believe that God is simply an omnipitent being sitting on a throne. I believe he is something much more than that... something outside of the ream of our universe.
Being Catholic is a way of life. Being a Christian is a (set) of belief(s). Aethism is not a way of life... it is a belief.
Great examples dude. +1.
1.) I can prove that math works. It makes planes fly and bridges stand up? Ok I could just be dreaming and tomorrow I will wake up as a zombie on mars, but thinking like a skeptic achieves nothing.
2.) Is this a troll argument? Which part of imaginary numbers don't you get? By depicting an imaginary solution to the square root of minus 1, several real world math problems can be solved. Any first year should know this. Diving by zero is simple, you are trying to say "lets see how many times we can put nothing into something". This is a logical problem, the answer approaches infinity.
Next.... I do understand the concept of this thread thank you very much. I was trying to say that you say just making up something and calling it God. If you want to play the game where you define God to be something, then you are just giving a label to something. I could call my keyboard "God", I could call anything "God". This is what you are doing! You are calling whatever was before the big bang as "God". As an atheist I am cool with that. I prefer to call it "What was before the big bang".
Have a nice day.
I'm not going to take the time to respond to you more than this. Every one of your posts has been hostile and close minded. You are obviously set in your head whatever you believe and will not discuss what you believe without acting combative.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
^ Correction -> What we percieve as time and space :-D.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I'm sorry you feel that way as I was quite looking forward to your response. I am never attacking the person, I am simply attacking your argument. I am actually completely open minded having traversed from a 100% god believer to a 100% atheist over several years. I also fully respect anyone to be a theist (as are many of my friends/relatives).
I am more than happy to be proven that God exists.
I was simply trying to point out that arguing from the skeptics point of view doesn't achieve anything. You are actually completely valid in calling whatever was before the big bang as "God". I am simply saying I dont know what was before the big bang and dont feel the need to fill that void with an intelligent being (because who created THAT being etc. ad infinitim).
Anyway hope you change your mind. Adios
At a stage I enjoyed some of the comments and now I come back, 4 pages later, and it's just insults and anger. I should have known though, these threads always go from bad to worse. I think everyone deserves to believe what he/she believes in. I LOVE the fact that our world is so diverse. It shows how deep a species we can be and how we long for individuality.
You know, I would love to live in a world where I can tell people what I believe in and they tell me what they believe in, we weigh the merits and see the good in what we each believe in. We can learn from one another, and that is why we live on this planet, to learn and grow as individuals and as a species.
We have long way to go as a species.
I'm saying that all you need to do to be considered a "Christian" is believe in Christ/God. Everything else is fluff and fall into the relm of your subsect (denomination) of Christianity.
On a side note, did you know that South Americans don't consider Catholics as "Christians"? My wife tells me all the time "I'm not christian... I'm catholic." Apparently down there they label all other christians (protestants) as christians and catholics as catholics.
awww i enjoyed wat u guys had to say. its too bad
well if u wanna find God look for him in ur history, theres no need to go back to the big bang, besides thats only theory. besides i think the conversation was getting a little violent. the moment someone says the other is close minded its OVER cause u just judged them, just putting that out there.
Its the fact that I have posts up and down the last how many pages debating/ defending my opinion, and then I get called or alluded to being a troll? In my opinion that is not very open.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Best proof... EVER!
I think we can agree that Christianity goes a little bit beyond just believing in Christ/God but also having a deep relationship with him. Agree or no?