I would rather comit suicide then never be born. I know I have somewhat changed the lives of a few people in small ways. It would be better to die now then never have been born.
Also if suicide booths were around theres a good chance I might use one.
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"Life for you, has been less than kind
So take a number, stand in line
We’ve all been sorry, we’ve all been hurt
But how we survive, is what makes us who we are" - Rise Against, Survive
Everyone hates their lives at some point or another. What we are, what we become is all about how we decide to survive. Many people have a strong will to end their lives, a strong wish that they were never born.
But because suicide is at least harder than pressing a switch for most people, because you don't know if its right, your will to end your life must be much stronger than your will to live, for you to go through with it.
A suicide booth, to me, is an officialization of the supposed uselessness of those people. Its not because you see no purpose for yourself, that you're physicalled or mentally disabled, that you cannot have an impact that can make your life worthwhile.
Everybody can have a positive influence on the world, all they need for that, is to want it. The world already wants you to believe that you can be an unproductive, useless member of the community, that you can be trouble to others, that you're a weight.
But all of this is meaningless. What means something is in our heads and our hearts, in our sense of family and friendship. The dumbest man on Earth can make the life of many better, without realizing it. You, and anyone, have no right to interfer with that.
You have no right to give a way out to people like that, to deny them the things they would have done, to accept their removal from the soeciety as a benefit.
You have no right to pretend that any life whatsoever is expandable in such a manner.
And you have no right to end your own life, if you have ever wanted, at any point in your life, to be a good person, and to make a good difference, in any way.
So I have no right to stop being a burden on society and on my friends and family? I cant leave them and leave the people around me better off? So I must be stuck here, a constant failure at everything I strive to do? A reminder how people are so messed up and can be so stupid.
Your going to tell me this is not true and I can change these poor qualities about me. If I am a complete failure at everything I do and at everything I love how will someone like me make it? Who will accept me? People will hate me for being who I am even though I cannot help it. Why should I look forward to such things? Why should the daunting task of finding people to accept me be so difficult?
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The very idea that one can pass a judgement on himself and decides he is unworthy of living says that he has some level of standards, that he's at least a decent person.
No, you don't have the right to end your life. I won't let the world legalize such a concept. If you really have to kill yourself, then you'll do it, no law will stop it.
But the world is responsible for what you see from yourself. So many people see themselves as worthless and pointless, believe they struggle more than most, and I'm not saying that is true or false. We just believe ourselves pointless or weak because of the image the world gives of itself, but they're not better than you. Its just a lie.
The world should promote people with good standards that only ever wanted to do good, and not cover the society with lies and misconceptions. After all, we can only judge ourselves by comparison.
Wow, just came upon this thread. Is this a serious suggestion? It's the dumbest idea ever. As if killing one's self is that difficult. I would approve of eutanasia for those who absolutely can't kill themselves, but suicide booths? C'mon.
I've watched a lot of Futurama (I still do), but I haven't the slightest of what you're talking about. It sounds familiar, I just don't know where this came into play; if it was a joke I liked, I would've surely remembered it.
Now, onto the topic at hand;
Depression, in and of itself, comes from so many things in the human experience of living that it's hard to know exactly what can make you feel so... helpless. In the scape of our lives, we will experience depression, more often many more times than just once. And people have very real reasons for why the feel the way they do.
And depression, in and of itself, is not a sign of any weakness; those who are and aren't depressed often think this (as I did), but I have learned, through my experiences, that depression is a monster. But it's not scary, and it's not you, but it's something that sits on your head and, in my experience, can block out the sun; there was a point in my life where I thought that I had nothing going for me (which wasn't as depressing as it was distressing, which is an important distinction to make in this conversation) and it weighed so heavily on me that it was hard for me to find any hope. But I didn't commit suicide because, slowly, I realized that there is hope for those who allow it to come to them.
And suicide is nothing to be taken lightly either; I often played with the idea of my immediate disappearance from this life and to think of the reactions of those I knew loved me and those who I loved; that's what kept me tethered to my mortality. Moreover, the thought that I would never see my future or what I would become, who I would eventually love, and the thought of finally making those who love me proud to be my friend, my family, and even one of my acquaintances. More than anything, I just wanted people to be proud of me and I realized that committing suicide would completely kill that dream of mine. My aspirations kept me alive, in a way.
So, in my theory, suicide can be performed by person who has lost hope in their aspirations. They wholeheartedly feel that what they want to accomplish is absolutely impossible. This may seem like cowardice to some ("everything is possible," which is an artificial dream), but it's never been that; it's been an exit to, what the hopeless can see, a place where those dreams will lie with them and that's all they'll ever need. It can also be performed by the overdramatic bleeding hearts out there who see some poetry in suicide. That's where this conversation takes an ugly turn; people who don't fully understand suicide or depression don't see it for what it is; a loss of hope.
And don't even begin to think that suicide is as easy as inserting 25 cents and choosing "quick and painless" or "slow and painful;" suicide is putting your life into something that you don't even know about. The fact that nobody knows what happens after you die, no matter how much faith you have in a perfect world beyond this one or a continued existence (through reincarnation), should tell you how hard this decision is to make. I didn't make it because I didn't know either and I was scared that, if I did, I wouldn't have thought. That's the scariest thought I have; "If I die, what will I be looking at? Will I have the ability to see, let alone think?"
It's not easy. It will never be easy. Depression isn't easy, and it's not a joke either. Depression is a very real monster that some people deal with every day. The best thing you can do for a depressed person is to try to understand because, most often, in their eyes, they don't think anybody does. The world will never see a congruent human experience, so it is absolutely foolish to try and pin someone's reasons just by looking at the surface.
The faster people realize this, the faster we can all find some understanding or hope.
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I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
But the reason it was funny in that was because it was completely ridiculous. People that want to kill themselves can do it without using a suicide booth payed for by the government. I hope you were kidding about this. Seriously. There are already too many people killing themselves....
You cannot get out of depression by trying to... since you have lost all motivation to do anything. Would you not simply feel that trying to do anything about it will not work and that it will be a wasted effort - just like your entire life that you believe was wasted and if it continues will be wasted?
I have friends who have become depressed. I never know what to truly do, but I try to cheer them up with whatever I can. If I can pin them into a corner I would have long discussions with them that normally end with them feeling at least a little better. I understand, only somewhat though, what depression is like. It is near impossible to do anything yourself because of lack of motive and you would not seek help for the very same reason.
I do see why they would want to commit suicide. I do see why it makes sense to do so, in their eyes. I believe that if everything is truly lost and that remaining alive would really put you through further and more terrifying pain, then suicide is definitely a viable way out. But holding on for just that little longer, just long enough to allow someone who cares for you to notice the intent, and stop you, is what depression is to me. But that's how I see it, not how it is. I know I'm wrong, but it's the easiest way to look at it in my current mind set.
But then the problem arises when no one would notice, even with you holding up your flag of surrender. This is when I think suicide should be carried out. It is sad, very very sad. No one that loves nor cares for you, and absolutely nothing to keep you here. It is painful just thinking about such an emotional strike upon someone. Why would this person even care, after such a powerful realization, to go to a freaking designated booth to commit suicide?
Because it's ILLEGAL to kill yourself outside of such a booth? Yeah, because obviously they give a shit about such a thing.
The booth will simply increase the amount of suicides through quick decision because it would not give the time that humans are naturally providing themselves to find a reason to live.
If someone has the motivation to get up and go to a booth to commit suicide then they are not really making a proper decision. If they really wanted to die, they'd find the closest and easiest method of doing so.
One of the stupidest idea I've ever heard of.
I know that with everything I do, there will always be many others who could do it 10x better than me. My solution is to simply stay and try to help those around me with whatever I can. I know I have effected a few lives quite hectically. It may be selfish thinking but it is pretty much what gets me through my teenage years at the moment. I have never tried to learn anything for my sake, but for the sake that maybe I can teach it to someone in the future and effect them positively with it.
No clue why I'm even typing here, considering I'm just a babbling idiot in most eyes, but I guess I just need to keep myself occupied? ^^
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It's all been said. The pun, the not so funny joke, the phrase, something about oneself, the not so random picture.
very funny idea man!
I think this would be very funny for all the sad bastards doing suicides once they find out d3 sux. If it does suck that is.
And why not murder booths?
Who's going to clean up the dead bodies?
Well, i think it would only be fair if the guy killing himself digs a hole or gets a nice box for himself before hand. Maybe outdoors would be the best place for this with a mass hole already dug. And someone to spray the bodies with gas or if that causes too much of a stench. Maybe a bulldozer operator to cover the holes afterwards.
I have this video called "Traces of Death", and it shows real deaths on it. But there was this one guy who was i dont know sad as all hell probably. Anyways he shot himself in the face with a rifle but he didnt die. And now his face is all fucked up an mangled.
I think it would be a better way to have a suicide booth were you'll be dead for sure. Instead of just disfiguring yourself.
But seriously now (since this troll thread went pretty serious way).
Umm why would you call this a troll thread? I was very serious about it and believed it to be a good option....
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I only said to flame away because I figured there would be many who would not take the topic serious or just flame me for bringing up such a thought. I just wanted to talk about there being some public way of suicide...thats all I am in no way trying to troll anyone or make trollish threads.
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this had 2 be the most retarded idea ever. people should be seeking help not offing themselves. money should be spent on help for these people not ways for them to kill themselves.
I have never had depression but i have seen people go through it, And thankfully they took the advice and sought the help they needed. When people think no1 will care if i kill myself they cant be more wrong. The pain they cause in doing it is horrendous. I mean im kind of not supprised this has been suggested in america (i have no idea where u got this idea from) but it sounds absurd.
And if you jump in front of a moving train you have almost no chance of surviving.
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Also if suicide booths were around theres a good chance I might use one.
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
Agreed
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
So take a number, stand in line
We’ve all been sorry, we’ve all been hurt
But how we survive, is what makes us who we are" - Rise Against, Survive
Everyone hates their lives at some point or another. What we are, what we become is all about how we decide to survive. Many people have a strong will to end their lives, a strong wish that they were never born.
But because suicide is at least harder than pressing a switch for most people, because you don't know if its right, your will to end your life must be much stronger than your will to live, for you to go through with it.
A suicide booth, to me, is an officialization of the supposed uselessness of those people. Its not because you see no purpose for yourself, that you're physicalled or mentally disabled, that you cannot have an impact that can make your life worthwhile.
Everybody can have a positive influence on the world, all they need for that, is to want it. The world already wants you to believe that you can be an unproductive, useless member of the community, that you can be trouble to others, that you're a weight.
But all of this is meaningless. What means something is in our heads and our hearts, in our sense of family and friendship. The dumbest man on Earth can make the life of many better, without realizing it. You, and anyone, have no right to interfer with that.
You have no right to give a way out to people like that, to deny them the things they would have done, to accept their removal from the soeciety as a benefit.
You have no right to pretend that any life whatsoever is expandable in such a manner.
And you have no right to end your own life, if you have ever wanted, at any point in your life, to be a good person, and to make a good difference, in any way.
Your going to tell me this is not true and I can change these poor qualities about me. If I am a complete failure at everything I do and at everything I love how will someone like me make it? Who will accept me? People will hate me for being who I am even though I cannot help it. Why should I look forward to such things? Why should the daunting task of finding people to accept me be so difficult?
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
No, you don't have the right to end your life. I won't let the world legalize such a concept. If you really have to kill yourself, then you'll do it, no law will stop it.
But the world is responsible for what you see from yourself. So many people see themselves as worthless and pointless, believe they struggle more than most, and I'm not saying that is true or false. We just believe ourselves pointless or weak because of the image the world gives of itself, but they're not better than you. Its just a lie.
The world should promote people with good standards that only ever wanted to do good, and not cover the society with lies and misconceptions. After all, we can only judge ourselves by comparison.
The individual is not a burden. Our society is.
I've watched a lot of Futurama (I still do), but I haven't the slightest of what you're talking about. It sounds familiar, I just don't know where this came into play; if it was a joke I liked, I would've surely remembered it.
Now, onto the topic at hand;
Depression, in and of itself, comes from so many things in the human experience of living that it's hard to know exactly what can make you feel so... helpless. In the scape of our lives, we will experience depression, more often many more times than just once. And people have very real reasons for why the feel the way they do.
And depression, in and of itself, is not a sign of any weakness; those who are and aren't depressed often think this (as I did), but I have learned, through my experiences, that depression is a monster. But it's not scary, and it's not you, but it's something that sits on your head and, in my experience, can block out the sun; there was a point in my life where I thought that I had nothing going for me (which wasn't as depressing as it was distressing, which is an important distinction to make in this conversation) and it weighed so heavily on me that it was hard for me to find any hope. But I didn't commit suicide because, slowly, I realized that there is hope for those who allow it to come to them.
And suicide is nothing to be taken lightly either; I often played with the idea of my immediate disappearance from this life and to think of the reactions of those I knew loved me and those who I loved; that's what kept me tethered to my mortality. Moreover, the thought that I would never see my future or what I would become, who I would eventually love, and the thought of finally making those who love me proud to be my friend, my family, and even one of my acquaintances. More than anything, I just wanted people to be proud of me and I realized that committing suicide would completely kill that dream of mine. My aspirations kept me alive, in a way.
So, in my theory, suicide can be performed by person who has lost hope in their aspirations. They wholeheartedly feel that what they want to accomplish is absolutely impossible. This may seem like cowardice to some ("everything is possible," which is an artificial dream), but it's never been that; it's been an exit to, what the hopeless can see, a place where those dreams will lie with them and that's all they'll ever need. It can also be performed by the overdramatic bleeding hearts out there who see some poetry in suicide. That's where this conversation takes an ugly turn; people who don't fully understand suicide or depression don't see it for what it is; a loss of hope.
And don't even begin to think that suicide is as easy as inserting 25 cents and choosing "quick and painless" or "slow and painful;" suicide is putting your life into something that you don't even know about. The fact that nobody knows what happens after you die, no matter how much faith you have in a perfect world beyond this one or a continued existence (through reincarnation), should tell you how hard this decision is to make. I didn't make it because I didn't know either and I was scared that, if I did, I wouldn't have thought. That's the scariest thought I have; "If I die, what will I be looking at? Will I have the ability to see, let alone think?"
It's not easy. It will never be easy. Depression isn't easy, and it's not a joke either. Depression is a very real monster that some people deal with every day. The best thing you can do for a depressed person is to try to understand because, most often, in their eyes, they don't think anybody does. The world will never see a congruent human experience, so it is absolutely foolish to try and pin someone's reasons just by looking at the surface.
The faster people realize this, the faster we can all find some understanding or hope.
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
Ok!
I do not condone suicide. Unless you know your way out will be hideously painful otherwise.
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But the reason it was funny in that was because it was completely ridiculous. People that want to kill themselves can do it without using a suicide booth payed for by the government. I hope you were kidding about this. Seriously. There are already too many people killing themselves....
I have friends who have become depressed. I never know what to truly do, but I try to cheer them up with whatever I can. If I can pin them into a corner I would have long discussions with them that normally end with them feeling at least a little better. I understand, only somewhat though, what depression is like. It is near impossible to do anything yourself because of lack of motive and you would not seek help for the very same reason.
I do see why they would want to commit suicide. I do see why it makes sense to do so, in their eyes. I believe that if everything is truly lost and that remaining alive would really put you through further and more terrifying pain, then suicide is definitely a viable way out. But holding on for just that little longer, just long enough to allow someone who cares for you to notice the intent, and stop you, is what depression is to me. But that's how I see it, not how it is. I know I'm wrong, but it's the easiest way to look at it in my current mind set.
But then the problem arises when no one would notice, even with you holding up your flag of surrender. This is when I think suicide should be carried out. It is sad, very very sad. No one that loves nor cares for you, and absolutely nothing to keep you here. It is painful just thinking about such an emotional strike upon someone. Why would this person even care, after such a powerful realization, to go to a freaking designated booth to commit suicide?
Because it's ILLEGAL to kill yourself outside of such a booth? Yeah, because obviously they give a shit about such a thing.
The booth will simply increase the amount of suicides through quick decision because it would not give the time that humans are naturally providing themselves to find a reason to live.
If someone has the motivation to get up and go to a booth to commit suicide then they are not really making a proper decision. If they really wanted to die, they'd find the closest and easiest method of doing so.
One of the stupidest idea I've ever heard of.
I know that with everything I do, there will always be many others who could do it 10x better than me. My solution is to simply stay and try to help those around me with whatever I can. I know I have effected a few lives quite hectically. It may be selfish thinking but it is pretty much what gets me through my teenage years at the moment. I have never tried to learn anything for my sake, but for the sake that maybe I can teach it to someone in the future and effect them positively with it.
No clue why I'm even typing here, considering I'm just a babbling idiot in most eyes, but I guess I just need to keep myself occupied? ^^
I think this would be very funny for all the sad bastards doing suicides once they find out d3 sux. If it does suck that is.
And why not murder booths?
Well, i think it would only be fair if the guy killing himself digs a hole or gets a nice box for himself before hand. Maybe outdoors would be the best place for this with a mass hole already dug. And someone to spray the bodies with gas or if that causes too much of a stench. Maybe a bulldozer operator to cover the holes afterwards.
I have this video called "Traces of Death", and it shows real deaths on it. But there was this one guy who was i dont know sad as all hell probably. Anyways he shot himself in the face with a rifle but he didnt die. And now his face is all fucked up an mangled.
I think it would be a better way to have a suicide booth were you'll be dead for sure. Instead of just disfiguring yourself.
Umm why would you call this a troll thread? I was very serious about it and believed it to be a good option....
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
If you want to arrange it
This world you can change it
If we could somehow make this
Christmas thing last
By helping a neighbor
Or even a stranger
And to know who needs help
You need only just ask
I have never had depression but i have seen people go through it, And thankfully they took the advice and sought the help they needed. When people think no1 will care if i kill myself they cant be more wrong. The pain they cause in doing it is horrendous. I mean im kind of not supprised this has been suggested in america (i have no idea where u got this idea from) but it sounds absurd.
And if you jump in front of a moving train you have almost no chance of surviving.
Thanks Caniroth for the awesome sig!