They probably have a valid (in their perspective) reason to believe what they believe, criticizing them because of that is not good. You judge them, while making the same mistake yourself (like someone before me said in this topic)
So basically you're saying if a person is out there drinking antifreeze or something we should just walk by?
What mistake are we making, exactly? Judging the way of life of others is how we recognize people around us. It's how we know what to expect. We can't live in a completely PC world where nobody ever says anything bad about anybody. These days you can't say someone's fat, that's not how humans are. We see something we don't like and we talk about it and if your philosophy is worth anything you can protect it. Collective seclusion just leads to ingroup thinking and that's what we have here, pretty much.
Anyways, I don't agree with her opinion, but I would fight to the death her right to express it.
And that is all I have to say.
I will fight to death to have her shut the fuck up.
There's something about an opinion and an educated opinion. To form an educated opinion, you need to have adequate knowledge and experience in the matter so that you do not sound like a proper retard to people who have functioning brains.
Tomorrow if I come and say all people wearing pink clothes are a vile bunch of plotting bitches who want to stop the production of clothes that are not pink because a couple of persons have told me they actually want to do that, I would sound like a retard.
Likewise not all Muslims are going to look for a cutter or the detonator button if you tell them Mohammed sucked donkey balls(substitute that with some more complex conspiracy if you want)...but some are gonna do just that. People can be brainwashed into doing/believing almost anything. If the great majority of them however readily took that course of action, I would indeed start to consider that there's a serious problem with the religion.
But until then, I would have loved to see some psycho jump into that crowd and jam hugeass dildos up everybody's asses who laughed at that woman(4th or something person to speak) who was advocating acceptance. I'm not being intolerant, I just thought the whole thing would have been more interesting then.
I wasn't questioning her right to freedom of speech but rather that freedom of speech is now an excuse for people to spew massive amounts of BS.
Which is why I mentioned educated opinion versus the typical retarded rant which was what was happening there.
Me talking of fighting to the death to have her shut the fuck her was merely a mocking retort to that freedom for verbal abuse(that's what it sounded to me) thingy.
In short, I won't turn her down if she wants to blow me but I would still be deeply aggravated by what she said.
Freedom of speech? Is there really such a thing in this world? I mean really?
I can't go somewhere and voice my opinion on christianity without either getting sent to jail or killed. I cannot go and voice my opinion on certain people in government without getting sent to jail or killed.
I'm sure you understand what I'm saying. What's the use of Freedom Of Speech when we can't voice our opinions without getting punished somehow.
We shun something such as racism. Racist people believe their race is superior to the other. This is wrong. But it's also right. It's THEIR opinion. But you can get sent to jail for being racist in public...
Basically, it's "wrong" to be a racist. Of course it is. But isn't this the same logic that it's bad to be a Satanist- or any religion/belief that involves anything that is known as "wrong". And again by that logic it should be wrong to be a Christian, since it has it's beliefs.
But there is no "wrong" or "right" if there are OPINIONS. By this logic I can kill because in my opinion it's okay because I simply don't like the person. Is this allowed? No. Of course not. But that's the opinion of many, so it's right.
So basically we are in a world in which "Majority Rules"(A common gesture that you've been out ruled in a children's game). Is this right? Wait, if we go by the logic that "Majority Rules" and "Morals" then majority will say no, but then it doesn't matter because the rule is ruled out.
I'm VERY confused now. Someone please give me an educated explanation. I don't have the experience or knowledge to get too deep into these waters. (Edit: Add multiple question marks all over my post)
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It's all been said. The pun, the not so funny joke, the phrase, something about oneself, the not so random picture.
Thank you Don. That explains it for me. Sorry for making such a stupid accusation.
I don't think I'll be replying to any threads for another couple of months in fear of being made to look like a total fool and ****** idiot. :wallbash:
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It's all been said. The pun, the not so funny joke, the phrase, something about oneself, the not so random picture.
If somehow my earlier post (which I edited later) made you think like that, then I apologize(sincerely).
While you wrote yours out of confusion/ignorance, I wrote mine out of annoyance which wasn't the best thing to do. Considering you are from SA, I thought you would have a better awareness of human rights from your own country's (recent) history and not mix up racist with satanist with killing people through some messed-up logic.
So by all means, continue posting.
Just think things through a little bit more. It always help(applies certainly to me also )
Still mad at the ignorant cunt in the video. It's just astounding. I wonder how she came to that conclusion.
I hope the Islamic Faith Center (coined the "Ground Zero Mosque" by hysterical, ignorant dumbasses) isn't superceded by any bullshit law. I want to see this thing go through so I can laugh at how mad the Conservatives get. They have no problem wearing an American flag to carry their ideology in, but when it comes to giving healthcare benefits to the firefighters and those who helped rescue people from the wreckage, they turn a blind eye, say they don't need it, and keep wearing that badge of Islamic fear like it's a fucking sacrament.
I'm officially disgusted. I wish that the Liberals of the US were stronger, we may actually be able to beat some sense into these hypocrites and their "patriotic" lemmings.
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I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
There are many problems and issues, I think, with this entire thing. For instance, the West tends to relate Islam with being Arab, when the majority of Muslims don't even live, or come from the Middle East. They associate Islam with hate towards women, indoctrination, violence, and intolerance, when women are greatly respected, indoctrination only happens in about 2 countries, violence is uniform in all human beings, and intolerance is not exclusive to any one religion. The most annoying thing that I ever encounter, is people associating human ill-behavior with their religion. If a Christian man decapitated my mother, I would not go all out and say "Christianity condones this! Christianity is the religion of hate, violence, and is of the devil!". That person is bad, it has nothing to do with his religion being bad, good, or whatever. That's what people always get wrong. Anyone can put a towel over his head, hang a banner that says "Allahu Akbar" in Arabic, have 4 dumbasses with AK 47's standing next to him while he reads verses of the Quran (As if he knows shit of its message), then proceed to decapitate a person "in the name of Allah". Any single person can do that. Why on Earth do they blame an entire religion, and judge every single person who follows it, because of the actions of a person denounced by almost every Muslim and every Muslim nation, I don't understand. It's easy to follow the herd, and to simply hate, but to actually understand something and think for yourself is rather hard, and I think people would rather do the not-so-hard thing. There was an article on Cracked about Islam..the comments were atrocious..I was surprisingly shocked to see that level of ignorance. Oh well.
What does the video have? My audio on my netbook is dead.
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"First of all, Islam is not a religion; it is a political ideology with a religious component. It is much like communism with a social, political, and judicial system. They both hold a religious component to them. In communism, the forced religious component is Atheism. You must be an Atheist to be under the communist regime. In Islam, it is a forced religion in the belief in Muhammad. However, since they both have the overlying aspects of social, political, and judicial system, just because it holds a religious aspect to it, does not qualify it as a religion, therefore it does not fall under..."
She then goes on to say how if we allow Islam in the US, then all other political ideologies like communism, national socialism, and every other ideology that "plots against us [the US]" to be given their own building like Islam.
Trust me, that's all there is to her argument.
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I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
I honestly don't think anything of it except that this is just another embarrassing woman with strange beliefs. There are fucked up people everywhere with strange beliefs and unfortunately someone had to interview her. Oh well...
Did she happen to be a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?
The Taliban is Islamic, and America hates the Taliban, that's just the way it goes. It happens here too... Many Jews are rich, so many people hate Jews. I don't want to bash the Islamic religion, but until the religion isn't associated with threats to our country, it's not going to be welcomed with open arms any time soon.
The Taliban is Islamic, and America hates the Taliban, that's just the way it goes. It happens here too... Many Jews are rich, so many people hate Jews. I don't want to bash the Islamic religion, but until the religion isn't associated with threats to our country, it's not going to be welcomed with open arms any time soon.
As said as that sounds, I'm going to have to agree. The religion Islam is associated with genocide and many other shocking acts in the world, which probably aren't associated with the religion, but still you're not going to welcome them with welcome arms, just like you said.
This whole thread is summed up in two of my favorite quotes. "The world is full of stupid people." and the other one is actually a segment on a local radio station called "Stupid people shouldn't breed."
As said as that sounds, I'm going to have to agree. The religion Islam is associated with genocide and many other shocking acts in the world, which probably aren't associated with the religion, but still you're not going to welcome them with welcome arms, just like you said.
The saddest thing is its pretty much an entirely undeserved reputation. The Christians killed thousands, if not millions, in the Crusades and the Inquisition, and yet its still seen as a beacon of hope, in the US especially. I have nothing wrong with most of its messages, but it has an incredibly corrupt and violent past. When the Muslim armies of the past conquered places, they fed the defeated armies and had codes against killing women and children and tainting wells. Far from genocide. And a fraction of a percent of their religion commits a series of atrocious acts and suddenly their the bad guys. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
As said as that sounds, I'm going to have to agree. The religion Islam is associated with genocide and many other shocking acts in the world, which probably aren't associated with the religion, but still you're not going to welcome them with welcome arms, just like you said.
The saddest thing is its pretty much an entirely undeserved reputation. The Christians killed thousands, if not millions, in the Crusades and the Inquisition, and yet its still seen as a beacon of hope, in the US especially. I have nothing wrong with most of its messages, but it has an incredibly corrupt and violent past. When the Muslim armies of the past conquered places, they fed the defeated armies and had codes against killing women and children and tainting wells. Far from genocide. And a fraction of a percent of their religion commits a series of atrocious acts and suddenly their the bad guys. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
Oh I agree. What happened to the Muslim empire is one of the saddest historical stories ever. They were once the capital of knowledge of the world, inventing one of the most incredible inventions in the world: the Arabic numerals. Christians have been known to destroy the world as they passed it because the Bible is so open to interpretation and in the primitive mind, it can mean anything.
The Taliban is Islamic, and America hates the Taliban, that's just the way it goes. It happens here too... Many Jews are rich, so many people hate Jews. I don't want to bash the Islamic religion, but until the religion isn't associated with threats to our country, it's not going to be welcomed with open arms any time soon.
See, this is the biggest misconception that anyone can fall prey to. Any single person can behead an American whilst a banner saying "Death to all American heretics!" is spread behind him and with Quran playing in the background. Does that mean that he's a Muslim? Does that mean that Islam condones his actions? No. Absolutely not. People seem to think that misinterpreting the Quran for one's own benefits and to push one's own agenda and indoctrinate the people surrounding him is something exclusive to Islam and the "terrorists" behind it. How many Christians, Jews, whatever, have misinterpreted the Bible, Torah, whatever, before? Millions upon millions. It just so happens that these people claiming to be Muslims are way more idiotic. Separate evil actions and evil people from evil religion. Break down what Bin Laden does in a psychological manner, and you will realize that what he is doing, and what his actions suggest, is simply that he is creating a cult, with him as the cult leader. He is not a Muslim. None of these so called terrorists are Muslims. They're just puppets used to taint the image of Islam. I'll give you my TWO kidneys, my liver, my left testicle, and my cerebellum if I can't get millions to hate Christianity by enlisting 6 other guys, and capturing 10 random people, and crucifying them on camera, justifying my actions via quotes from the bible. That does not make me a Christian, and that does not make Christianity a void religion.
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What mistake are we making, exactly? Judging the way of life of others is how we recognize people around us. It's how we know what to expect. We can't live in a completely PC world where nobody ever says anything bad about anybody. These days you can't say someone's fat, that's not how humans are. We see something we don't like and we talk about it and if your philosophy is worth anything you can protect it. Collective seclusion just leads to ingroup thinking and that's what we have here, pretty much.
Anyways, I don't agree with her opinion, but I would fight to the death her right to express it.
And that is all I have to say.
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I will fight to death to have her shut the fuck up.
There's something about an opinion and an educated opinion. To form an educated opinion, you need to have adequate knowledge and experience in the matter so that you do not sound like a proper retard to people who have functioning brains.
Tomorrow if I come and say all people wearing pink clothes are a vile bunch of plotting bitches who want to stop the production of clothes that are not pink because a couple of persons have told me they actually want to do that, I would sound like a retard.
Likewise not all Muslims are going to look for a cutter or the detonator button if you tell them Mohammed sucked donkey balls(substitute that with some more complex conspiracy if you want)...but some are gonna do just that. People can be brainwashed into doing/believing almost anything. If the great majority of them however readily took that course of action, I would indeed start to consider that there's a serious problem with the religion.
But until then, I would have loved to see some psycho jump into that crowd and jam hugeass dildos up everybody's asses who laughed at that woman(4th or something person to speak) who was advocating acceptance. I'm not being intolerant, I just thought the whole thing would have been more interesting then.
You can permit freedom of speech or restrict it, the middle ground doesn't really exist.
I wasn't questioning her right to freedom of speech but rather that freedom of speech is now an excuse for people to spew massive amounts of BS.
Which is why I mentioned educated opinion versus the typical retarded rant which was what was happening there.
Me talking of fighting to the death to have her shut the fuck her was merely a mocking retort to that freedom for verbal abuse(that's what it sounded to me) thingy.
In short, I won't turn her down if she wants to blow me but I would still be deeply aggravated by what she said.
I can't go somewhere and voice my opinion on christianity without either getting sent to jail or killed. I cannot go and voice my opinion on certain people in government without getting sent to jail or killed.
I'm sure you understand what I'm saying. What's the use of Freedom Of Speech when we can't voice our opinions without getting punished somehow.
We shun something such as racism. Racist people believe their race is superior to the other. This is wrong. But it's also right. It's THEIR opinion. But you can get sent to jail for being racist in public...
Basically, it's "wrong" to be a racist. Of course it is. But isn't this the same logic that it's bad to be a Satanist- or any religion/belief that involves anything that is known as "wrong". And again by that logic it should be wrong to be a Christian, since it has it's beliefs.
But there is no "wrong" or "right" if there are OPINIONS. By this logic I can kill because in my opinion it's okay because I simply don't like the person. Is this allowed? No. Of course not. But that's the opinion of many, so it's right.
So basically we are in a world in which "Majority Rules"(A common gesture that you've been out ruled in a children's game). Is this right? Wait, if we go by the logic that "Majority Rules" and "Morals" then majority will say no, but then it doesn't matter because the rule is ruled out.
I'm VERY confused now. Someone please give me an educated explanation. I don't have the experience or knowledge to get too deep into these waters. (Edit: Add multiple question marks all over my post)
Look them up.
There's enough readily-available information for you to educate yourself.
I don't think I'll be replying to any threads for another couple of months in fear of being made to look like a total fool and ****** idiot. :wallbash:
If somehow my earlier post (which I edited later) made you think like that, then I apologize(sincerely).
While you wrote yours out of confusion/ignorance, I wrote mine out of annoyance which wasn't the best thing to do. Considering you are from SA, I thought you would have a better awareness of human rights from your own country's (recent) history and not mix up racist with satanist with killing people through some messed-up logic.
So by all means, continue posting.
Just think things through a little bit more. It always help(applies certainly to me also )
I hope the Islamic Faith Center (coined the "Ground Zero Mosque" by hysterical, ignorant dumbasses) isn't superceded by any bullshit law. I want to see this thing go through so I can laugh at how mad the Conservatives get. They have no problem wearing an American flag to carry their ideology in, but when it comes to giving healthcare benefits to the firefighters and those who helped rescue people from the wreckage, they turn a blind eye, say they don't need it, and keep wearing that badge of Islamic fear like it's a fucking sacrament.
I'm officially disgusted. I wish that the Liberals of the US were stronger, we may actually be able to beat some sense into these hypocrites and their "patriotic" lemmings.
/political rant
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
She then goes on to say how if we allow Islam in the US, then all other political ideologies like communism, national socialism, and every other ideology that "plots against us [the US]" to be given their own building like Islam.
Trust me, that's all there is to her argument.
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
Did she happen to be a member of the Westboro Baptist Church?
As said as that sounds, I'm going to have to agree. The religion Islam is associated with genocide and many other shocking acts in the world, which probably aren't associated with the religion, but still you're not going to welcome them with welcome arms, just like you said.
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Oh I agree. What happened to the Muslim empire is one of the saddest historical stories ever. They were once the capital of knowledge of the world, inventing one of the most incredible inventions in the world: the Arabic numerals. Christians have been known to destroy the world as they passed it because the Bible is so open to interpretation and in the primitive mind, it can mean anything.
You see, this is why I'm atheist.
See, this is the biggest misconception that anyone can fall prey to. Any single person can behead an American whilst a banner saying "Death to all American heretics!" is spread behind him and with Quran playing in the background. Does that mean that he's a Muslim? Does that mean that Islam condones his actions? No. Absolutely not. People seem to think that misinterpreting the Quran for one's own benefits and to push one's own agenda and indoctrinate the people surrounding him is something exclusive to Islam and the "terrorists" behind it. How many Christians, Jews, whatever, have misinterpreted the Bible, Torah, whatever, before? Millions upon millions. It just so happens that these people claiming to be Muslims are way more idiotic. Separate evil actions and evil people from evil religion. Break down what Bin Laden does in a psychological manner, and you will realize that what he is doing, and what his actions suggest, is simply that he is creating a cult, with him as the cult leader. He is not a Muslim. None of these so called terrorists are Muslims. They're just puppets used to taint the image of Islam. I'll give you my TWO kidneys, my liver, my left testicle, and my cerebellum if I can't get millions to hate Christianity by enlisting 6 other guys, and capturing 10 random people, and crucifying them on camera, justifying my actions via quotes from the bible. That does not make me a Christian, and that does not make Christianity a void religion.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions