If there is a God, what kind of God do you believe him to be? Is he compassionate? A jokester? An outright asshole?
This is just somewhere to discuss your feelings on God, if there is one. For all discussion purposes please limit this to believing, or at least pretending there is a God. No "There is no God, lulz." Use your imagination and decide what kind of God would rule over this world.
i do believe that there is a Source, the Source of all and all, and i cannot conceive that all there is didn't started from one Source, call that Source however you desire but i do believe a higher being does exist which is similar to what many spiritual/religious people talk about. :smile:
That's basically what this thread is saying, if you believe there is a source, or even if you can consider it, how do you perceive them.
After reading the bible, some people have made it clear that he is a psycho, that likes to torture and watch. BDSM? Ego-exentric and darange killer. A brain of an child and a huge interest in creating and watch it die.
These words is somewhat I have read, not MY words (but due to translation and memory loss, its kinda my words)
I would altso like to say:
IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD.. Its okey by me.
Since people need something to think and live for, a GOD figure in a man's mind and heart is something people like to have to keep on doing what they do best - feel alive and to keep on struggling!
well i do find the Source to have compassion. the funny part is that i go by Siddhartas(the Buddha) teachings in life also and buddhists ask: "if there is a God and he is all compasion, than why does he let things happen the way they do? why does he allow suffering?"...good question. the Source for sure is wise and maybe It has It's own reasons why he lets things happen so, but It only got involved mostly at the beginning of things and afterwards It let things evolve on it's own; but compassion for sure It has, not only humans have emotions but any time of spirits have, you will lauggh now maybe but the Djinn or the Devil, they have feelings: anger, pride...this are feelings, aren't they? the Source can have them also, from christians point of view God was angry, got disappointed and so on. From Buddhist point of view the Deva and the Asura who are very high in the realm of existence have emotions also, some of them get envious- Asura although have a better place in existence than humans they get angry and envious when they see the Deva but the Deva get to become too full of themselves etc.
nothing happens random so my idea is that all started because the Source wanted it so, and because it wanted it so tells me it does have a mind of it's own that is capable of good emotions.
Very good post. I like how in all religions there is a different way to explain why good and bad things happen. I personally think it's all about working toward being a better person and accepting hardships. We have to be tested.
This is mostly a Christian concept but I believe it has some Buddhist in it also, we have to better ourselves in a wholesome way. A long lasting way. Not seek comfort in material possessions.
We should be humble and avoid greed. I think we both share that philosophy.
I don't think we can perceive God because we still don't have enough understanding on things and that we are still way too primitive in our ways of thinking so trying to understand God at this point is impossible for 99.99% of the people in our world. I think God is the ultimate being in the universe and is His or Its being is all about wisdom and kindness, but as I said we are not at that level yet where we can understand His wisdom and kindness. I will give an example: many people, including me, think that if there is a God or if God really is kind and good and all that then he would stop all killers, rapists, frauds and so on and so on kinds of evil people. And I've thought a lot about it and reached the conclusion that if God really went on to help with those kinds of things those peoples' minds would still be the same and they would still learn nothing of it. I think He wants us to comprehend that what some of us are doing is not right at all and wants us not to think "Hey why didn't God stop this killer/rapist/etc" but instead this person to think "Hey, what am I about to do, I am about to hurt a living being and that's wrong, I will not do this". Well, I probably messed up pretty bad in what I really wanted to say, I've never been good at explaining my thoughts... But I still don't approve of this way of doing things, because we don't give a shit about many things and never really will and thus we will never really learn anything and in this way those people who are kind end up as unnecessary victims... And most people who fall victim to such crimes are scarred for life either mentally or physically or both...
I especially liked that part. I agree that there is much to be learned through all the hard things we go through in life and I believe it is necessary even if it may not seem so. I can only hope that the people affected in a negative way rise above what has happened and are rewarded in the afterlife.
God created the universe, but played - or plays - no role whatsoever afterwards.
This is also my personal belief. I believe God created us and now just watches. He gave us free will and a set of basic rules so now it's up to us to see where we go from here.
That is a very interesting thought. There was a movie made a while back, a comedy, that was about this, called Bruce Almighty. Although it was funny, it did show some of the stuff God may have to deal with and I bet it's no easy position.
That's my general belief as well, life is all about bettering yourself. Even if it turns out there is no God, or you don't believe in a God, it's a good philosophy to live by. :thumbsup:
In my honest and sincere opinion, I think God bakes the best cookies.
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I believe he's omnipotent and omnipresent. I believe he knows everything that's gonna happen, but lets us do it anyway, so that when we die, if we're going to hell, He can tell us that we were wrong in doing this and this and this. If we weren't created, and directly tossed into either heaven or hell, the people tossed into hell would be like "I would've done things differently had I been given the chance". I believe he exists without existing in a specific place, without having any trait that we can every imagine, he doesn't have any "human" characteristic, he doesn't "look" a certain way, He has no beginning and has no end, and He is all wise and all knowing. Everything happens for a reason, and don't think that person A is living a horrible life because of God. How boring would it be if everyone had the perfect life? Would that concept even exist? The only reason why black is "dark" because it's "dark" compared to white, the same way a perfect life is perfect when compared to a non-perfect life. I believe that some lives suck because of the mistakes of their ancestors, who, somewhere along the way, did something completely wrong to fuck up their life. Really, everything happens for a reason, and we as humans, only understand a few things. Some things can't be easily interpreted, and should be taken on faith.
It wouldn't be possible. It wouldn't be imaginable. Philosophically speaking, it's impossible, since you lose the standard on which you build your image of perfection. It's the concept of relativity at play here. A is pretty compared to B, but A is ugly compared to C. Lose B and C, and you don't know what the fuck A is.
I believe we were created, by something of intelligence equal or greater to that of ours or our potential, something possessing superior technology; we still serve a purpose, and we are not random. Beyond that, I'm pretty split on the issue... I have theories... I don't really stick to any specific one too much.
I believe Earth has one of two purposes... to continually exist, or to serve as a source of agents that pass a test. If we're here continually, we never really leave the Earth, when we die we come back as a newborn. To progress in technology, intelligence, and morality is our goal. If we're to pass a test, that will send us on the next level (whatever that may be), and the test would search for something that's rare and hard to manufacture without the conditions we are currently in, possibly various religious and philosophical texts/studies hint at this. Those who fail the test, similar to the case above, come back to Earth, Earth itself being little more than a science project.
I am not inclined to believe we are the result of a tantrum or an idiot's work because while mistakes and errors may be observed, this world is very well made, and regardless whether this is a Matrix-like rendition or a true existing (whatever that may be) reality, it wouldn't be easy to create with the polish present, even with editing tools. Similarly, I'm not inclined to believe this world is created in some insane fit of love or whatever. Our creator would care for us to an extent similar of how a biologist may care about his ant farm, perhaps more, depending on the intelligence gap between us.
God created the universe, but played - or plays - no role whatsoever afterwards.
This is also my personal belief. I believe God created us and now just watches. He gave us free will and a set of basic rules so now it's up to us to see where we go from here.
that's what i think too. As God i think of a power that helped get things in motion (mostly because of my inability to explain how something was created out of nothing).
but after "He" set the universe in motion i dont think there was a role any supreme being played in shifting the world or creating humanity. i think it was all a matter of luck. i dont believe in fate, naturally or i would have to believe i have no real free will. i like to think that people can change their lives with their own decisions and not because someone ment for them to do things. (in my opinion at least)
i like looking into religions, even though i dont consider myself follower of any, mostly because of the interesting opinions there are in there about ethics and how they could/should be applied in daylife. i despise those that blindly follow the religious leaders, though, because they're clearly being used to provide power to those so called "leaders".
PS.
i'm really glad to see how civilized the forum is talking about such a delicate matter.
Read the 10 Commandments and tell me - what you find wrong? Religion, or should i say God, is all there to teach you be better person.
Mind control. The assumed Christian god is anti-emotion, anti-power, he only wants sheep that will follow him, sheep afraid to think. If you believe that makes a better person, go ahead, but in regards to any standards I have, that does not make one a better person, it makes them a slave.
Unfortunately your argument about a good person, or right and wrong, is fixed on itself. We may consider what the commandments say as correct, because the commandments said so, that's really the only source. The concepts of right and wrong are artificial and do not actually exist outside of religion. There is common sense, with which some religious ideas may agree, but overall common sense would steer pretty far of any existing religion, since common sense is fixated onto current Earth, not some kind of afterlife.
The true controller of morality in this world is Might Makes Right. Christianity just made people realize the simple fact of reciprocity.
what you're saying is right and wrong at the same time.
in the bible, the teachings promote thinking for yourself.
the religious leaders promote followers to be like you describe them (with the known results of the Crusades, Inquisition etc).
overall the Christian ethics are great (but impossible to fully use in daylife).
the religious leaders promote followers to be like you describe them (with the known results of the Crusades, Inquisition etc).
Hence the "assumed Christian god".
I am closer to the Cainite interpretation of the Bible. But the common interpretation is that off sheep being good, goats being bad, and god being the purpose of human life.
overall the Christian ethics are great (but impossible to fully use in daylife).
Some are, some aren't. Overall while I can extract something from the Bible I have to ignore a big chunk, as well... and I can extract tons of stuff from other religions and philosophy.
agreed, a big part of Christian teachings are made to look the previous religions look bad and flawed, even using symbols from them to represent the current "evil" (the pentagram used to be the symbol of the love godess Aphrodite in ancient greek mythology for example) and "demon" used to be equal to god in meaning.
This is just somewhere to discuss your feelings on God, if there is one. For all discussion purposes please limit this to believing, or at least pretending there is a God. No "There is no God, lulz." Use your imagination and decide what kind of God would rule over this world.
I bet he does. I mean ideally a being with unlimited power and knowledge has to make bomb ass cookies.
Meaningful response to be edited in to this post after school today...
That's basically what this thread is saying, if you believe there is a source, or even if you can consider it, how do you perceive them.
And IF god exist I wouldn't want to meet him.
After reading the bible, some people have made it clear that he is a psycho, that likes to torture and watch. BDSM? Ego-exentric and darange killer. A brain of an child and a huge interest in creating and watch it die.
These words is somewhat I have read, not MY words (but due to translation and memory loss, its kinda my words)
I would altso like to say:
IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOD.. Its okey by me.
Since people need something to think and live for, a GOD figure in a man's mind and heart is something people like to have to keep on doing what they do best - feel alive and to keep on struggling!
I hope I didnt make anyone angry.
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I think it's interesting to see everyones point of view. Some will look at it on the positive side, some on the negative, and everywhere in between.
Very good post. I like how in all religions there is a different way to explain why good and bad things happen. I personally think it's all about working toward being a better person and accepting hardships. We have to be tested.
This is mostly a Christian concept but I believe it has some Buddhist in it also, we have to better ourselves in a wholesome way. A long lasting way. Not seek comfort in material possessions.
We should be humble and avoid greed. I think we both share that philosophy.
I especially liked that part. I agree that there is much to be learned through all the hard things we go through in life and I believe it is necessary even if it may not seem so. I can only hope that the people affected in a negative way rise above what has happened and are rewarded in the afterlife.
This is also my personal belief. I believe God created us and now just watches. He gave us free will and a set of basic rules so now it's up to us to see where we go from here.
You were close.
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Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
I believe Earth has one of two purposes... to continually exist, or to serve as a source of agents that pass a test. If we're here continually, we never really leave the Earth, when we die we come back as a newborn. To progress in technology, intelligence, and morality is our goal. If we're to pass a test, that will send us on the next level (whatever that may be), and the test would search for something that's rare and hard to manufacture without the conditions we are currently in, possibly various religious and philosophical texts/studies hint at this. Those who fail the test, similar to the case above, come back to Earth, Earth itself being little more than a science project.
I am not inclined to believe we are the result of a tantrum or an idiot's work because while mistakes and errors may be observed, this world is very well made, and regardless whether this is a Matrix-like rendition or a true existing (whatever that may be) reality, it wouldn't be easy to create with the polish present, even with editing tools. Similarly, I'm not inclined to believe this world is created in some insane fit of love or whatever. Our creator would care for us to an extent similar of how a biologist may care about his ant farm, perhaps more, depending on the intelligence gap between us.
that's what i think too. As God i think of a power that helped get things in motion (mostly because of my inability to explain how something was created out of nothing).
but after "He" set the universe in motion i dont think there was a role any supreme being played in shifting the world or creating humanity. i think it was all a matter of luck. i dont believe in fate, naturally or i would have to believe i have no real free will. i like to think that people can change their lives with their own decisions and not because someone ment for them to do things. (in my opinion at least)
i like looking into religions, even though i dont consider myself follower of any, mostly because of the interesting opinions there are in there about ethics and how they could/should be applied in daylife. i despise those that blindly follow the religious leaders, though, because they're clearly being used to provide power to those so called "leaders".
PS.
i'm really glad to see how civilized the forum is talking about such a delicate matter.
Unfortunately your argument about a good person, or right and wrong, is fixed on itself. We may consider what the commandments say as correct, because the commandments said so, that's really the only source. The concepts of right and wrong are artificial and do not actually exist outside of religion. There is common sense, with which some religious ideas may agree, but overall common sense would steer pretty far of any existing religion, since common sense is fixated onto current Earth, not some kind of afterlife.
The true controller of morality in this world is Might Makes Right. Christianity just made people realize the simple fact of reciprocity.
in the bible, the teachings promote thinking for yourself.
the religious leaders promote followers to be like you describe them (with the known results of the Crusades, Inquisition etc).
overall the Christian ethics are great (but impossible to fully use in daylife).
I am closer to the Cainite interpretation of the Bible. But the common interpretation is that off sheep being good, goats being bad, and god being the purpose of human life.
Some are, some aren't. Overall while I can extract something from the Bible I have to ignore a big chunk, as well... and I can extract tons of stuff from other religions and philosophy.