How many of you have heard the word "Misandry"? How many of you know what it means? How many of you had to look it up - or didn't bother? How about Androphobia?
*Note: While I don't quite agree with everything the video says, a lot of what it's points are valid. Some of it seemed a little silly and biased, but I don't think that's outweighed by its good points.
Why in our society that supposedly advocates gender and racial equality is considered acceptable to mock males (men and boys)? Why is abuse against men discredited and even encouraged when any abuse against a woman is considered horrible and chauvinistic, worthy of punishment? Why, when so much effort is put towards ending sexism and misogyny, is misandry allowed to run rampant in all forms of media for both adults and children? It is in our schools, our work-places, our politics, our home-lives, our courts, our military, on the playground... It is everywhere, this hatred of men. And we do nothing to stop it.
I am not ignoring the injustices against women in the media. I do care about that issue as well, I really do. That just aren't what this essay is about. I understand fully that women tend to be objectified as sex objects; either being attractive or unattractive (or less attractive) based on the role they're portraying. The same can be said for men. Ads that call for male attractiveness will include attractive men. Ads that downplay this choose unattractive (or less attractive) men. On the other hand, women in media are almost always portrayed as being more intelligent, more empathetic, more rational, and being better care-givers than men. Sure, there are exceptions to this - as in anything - but I'm talking majority.
How many times have you seen a commercial where the lazy/stupid/fat/etc husband has been asked to something simple - change a diaper/clean the house/pick up the kids/etc - but is, for some reason, much much too lazy/stupid/fat/etc to complete said task, leaving the wife to either clean up his mess/shake her head in disbelief/question his intelligence/solve the problem for him/show him that it all could have been done with the touch of a button/etc?
How many where a man gets hurt and you are expected to laugh? How many where a woman is hurt for comedic relief? How many times can a man be hit/blugeoned/beaten up/kicked/slapped/etc before it loses its humour? How many times for a woman?
How many times have you seen an ad where a husband solved the problem for his wife? How many times have you seen an ad where the woman is lazy/stupid/fat etc and the man needs to come to her rescue? Not often, I'll bet.
I don't think the videos are lop-sided at all. They prove a point. Violence towards men in advertising is almost always taken lightly - almost all the ads you can find of a man being hurt are along these lines. They're silly. They make you want to laugh. Almost all ads with violence done towards women are very very negative. Most are related to domestic abuse. No commercials about men being abused at home. That happens all the time, but nobody talks about it.
Those commercials are fairly accurate representations of violence towards men & women in the media.
Let me make something perfectly clear: I am not against women, nor am I against the rights of women. I believe in gender and racial equity as well as sexual equity (note that I separate gender and sex, I will get to that). It is because of this belief that I have come to realize just how much hypocrisy there is in our society. There are massive feminist movements, many of which are legitimately seeking common-ground with men. Many feminists are women who want for themselves only what their male counterparts can have. This is commendable.
What is not commendable are those people - men and women both - who seek to sow a feeling of female superiority and male subservience, painting a picture of men as incompetent brutes that would be lost without women to guide and educate them. We are sex-crazed, dim-witted, violent scourges. This idea of men and boys as incapable lowlifes has so proliferated itself in our culture that most men don't even recognize it. Our own developed apathy to this phenomenon - a result of a culture that devalues male emotion as 'weakness' - makes us shrug off what should be a cause for international outrage.
We need to start realizing that sexism in any form - against anyone - is a serious issue. Gender roles exist, it's true, and humanity will likely never be rid of stereotyping. But let's at least try to get away from where we are right now where women are the eternal victim of men and man's nature. Not all men are bad, not all women are good.
Some valid points. I don't quite agree with every thing the video said, and the two youtube clips were a slight bit lopsided, but you do make your point. Why not a prostate cancer awareness month? It is more prevalent if I recall. Or how about male inclusion in breast cancer awareness, since we can get it too.
I don't quite agree with everything the video said either, tbh, but a lot of what it was saying was valid. Some of it seemed a little silly and biased, but I don't think that's outweighed by its good points.
I don't think the videos are lop-sided at all. They prove a point. Violence towards men in advertising is almost always taken lightly - almost all the ads you can find of a man being hurt are along these lines. They're silly. They make you want to laugh. Almost all ads with violence done towards women are very very negative. Most are related to domestic abuse. No commercials about men being abused at home. That happens all the time, but nobody talks about it.
Those commercials are fairly accurate representations of violence towards men & women in the media.
That's pretty neat, actually. I'd heard some talk about a 'blue ribbon' here to represent men's rights or something but can't seem to find anything about it.
Jetrall - ya, i guess the difference between them was one was a violent malicious act while one was ment as comedy. But if that was your point, as you pointed out in your second post, then yes i must agree and my bad.
Snibbon - props to you all in Sweden.
I still think the female only breast caner stuff over here is a bit bull tho
Indeed. While men are encouraged to walk, run, volunteer, and fundraise in support of breast cancer research, no mention is ever made of the approx 1600 men diagnosed with the disease every year (in America alone), nor the 500 who will actually die from it. Of course, it is fair to note that the numbers for women in both these categories far outweighs those of men.
But women cannot get prostate cancer, which kills a number of men approximately equal to the number of women that die from breast cancer every year in America (around 30-40 thousand).
Annual deaths from breast cancer in USA (Approx):
Women: 35,000
Men: 500
Annual deaths from prostate cancer in USA (Approx):
Women: 0
Men: 35,000
Yet there are no walks for prostate cancer. No weekends to end it. Why? Because it only affects men, and we are expendable in this society.
Actually, in sweden we have the "mustache" as the male version of the "pink ribbon".
It's a pin in the shape of a mustache, and it's for prostate cancer. cool huh?
That may be true, but I can't recall ever seeing it. The pink ribbon though... man, you can not avoid seeing that.
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Strange....you can also look at it as: Men are 'strong', they do not need the sympathy and attention, women are 'weak' and therefore they do.
In any case, I feel this vid lost its purpose in trying to mix too many issues and trying to make them look like one when it really isn't.
But it is true we are falling in a trend where anything bad to a woman is tragedy and the same to a man is negligible.
Strange....you can also look at it as: Men are 'strong', they do not need the sympathy and attention, women are 'weak' and therefore they do.
Strange, then, that men are not allowed to reap the benefits of being innately strong, because that would be sexist. I think we're all living a lie to some extent, tangled up in this millennial mess.
Yes, at one point not too long ago, and even to this day in some societies, women are expendable, defeated, and ignored. The same problem, however, is shifting to the other side. Anti-feminism isn't the only sexism, and unfortunately, from what I've seen so far in my college career, it is the only form that is recognized.
Not to say that I think I have it bad, certainly not, but it's there. I feel it every time I see the dumb father in every comedy TV series. I think about it when I see the same smart, sexy, and got-it-all-together supermodel babe beating the male protagonist to the punch. In a sad attempt to right the wrongs of our ancestors and diversify society, a new monster was born.
HOWEVER
It would be completely idiotic to say that we did not have problems in the past, and do no have problems in some areas of the world, today, in regards to sexism against women. I don't fully agree with the overtone the video gave to all feminism, but it is a purely logical conclusion. To be more accepting of femininity is to be less accepting of masculinity.
We never see the man needing to accept his "male" side, we always see the man needing to get in touch with his "feminine" side, because for some reason it is derogatory to society to be male.
First of all, this video is more than just a little silly. Yes, I understand the point he is making about double standards in society's stand against sexism. But some of his examples weren't exactly helping his case. And I even laughed when he showed us a picture of a street sweeper. Oh, so THAT'S a street sweeper. Thanks! And I hated how he used the news reporter's use of the phrase "man-made" as an example of misandry when the reporter said the tragedy was clearly man-made. Men came up with the phrase man-made. And it doesn't mean male-made, it just means human-made. If anyone's keeping score of all these double standards, then men lost a point on that one. And that trench that was full of women and children, well, weren't they really all women and children? And a statistical fact simply is that more men commit crimes than women do. This is fact. Take any public policy analysis course or even criminal science and if this fact isn't obvious to you going in, then you'll struggle with your homework for sure. As to the reasons why there are statistically more male criminals than female ones, that remains debatable and we may never have an answer to it. Some will cite biological reasons mainly. Others with cultural and societal reasons. But at any rate, no one will agree on why men commit crimes more often than women do. That's okay with me for now as long as people at least acknowledge the criminal statistic regarding men. I mean, especially with rape. Obviously men rape women more than women rape men? What is his problem with the news reporting this? Rape happens a lot everyday. And even if women are raping men, I'm positive men don't report it to the police nearly as much out of either embarrassment or fear of being emasculated. But if I watched the news for 30 days straight and didn't see a single news story about a woman raping a man, it's not that hard for me to believe that that's cause the raping of a man by a woman never took place in that time.
Perhaps what the guy in the video is really upset about is the frequency of which rape is reported on in the news. I would grant him that point if only that was his point. But he feels that because he isn't seeing stories about women raping men that it must be due to the misandrist bias of the media.
I think there is also a difference in media coverage of where the maker of this video lives. I mean, where I live, we love a good crime story where the woman is the perpetrator. The media here loves it when a woman is on the news for either having robbed a store, been arrested for prostitution, or most awesomely, had sex with one of her male students. Where I come from anyway, I find the media just as willing to include the female factor in a crime story as they would a male.
So then this guy goes on to discuss how tragedies are covered in the media. I can't really judge too far based just what I saw on his examples in the media of a group of men being trapped in a mine being called just a group of miners. He could have a point here, though. We do see in the media that if several people were killed, and some happened to be women or children, that the media makes it a point to distinguish the victims by gender and age.
As far as his points about feminism, I would have to agree with him. Especially if his point is that feminism is misguided at best. And it is. The problem with feminism is that it's a movement now being used as an attempt of to help level the playing field between the sexes after several millennia of gender inequality. What's sad really is all feminism ever wanted to be was a group of ugly women from the 1920's who wanted to vote. But then it was overrun by a group of smelly hippy women who wanted the right to an abortion to be as casual as the right to poo. Even many moderate pro-choice advocates are disturbed at the rhetoric of radical feminists who at times equate being pregnant to "being invaded by a parasitic entity." My point is, whatever feminism was, it's certainly not what it is today. And many who claim to be feminists will define in their own way what it means to be one and what the feminist movement is really all about. But the radical sides of it have certainly done some things create a misandrist agenda. Maybe even moderate feminists have too.
Why in our society that supposedly advocates gender and racial equality is considered acceptable to mock males (men and boys)?
Well there's your problem there. You used the word supposedly. And which society are you referring to? Just modern society? Even if all societies do advocate gender and racial quality, that doesn't mean you can stop discrimination completely. And is this gender and racial equality advocating society really saying it's okay? If an irresponsible news organization is being misandrist, does the necessarily reflect what the standards are for the rest of us? And personally I didn't find a lot of those examples in that guy's news clips to be misandrist at all. While I think misandry exists and is possibly even overlooked too often, I think he might be seeing it in places where it doesn't even exist. But you're right, he still makes some good points, albeit not in the most effective way. But we got his message.
Why is abuse against men discredited and even encouraged when any abuse against a woman is considered horrible and chauvinistic, worthy of punishment?
I think it would be fair at some point to acknowledge that a lot of abuse against women still goes unpunished. Or at least underpunished in my opinion. Whereas around here, one could get 5 years in jail for having too many ounces of marijuana on them. Yet a convicted rapist can easily be out in two years pending good behavior. Like I said, misandry certainly does exist, but let's not see things as that disproportional as long as women's rights and protection still has a long way to go.
Why, when so much effort is put towards ending sexism and misogyny, is misandry allowed to run rampant in all forms of media for both adults and children? It is in our schools, our work-places, our politics, our home-lives, our courts, our military, on the playground... It is everywhere, this hatred of men. And we do nothing to stop it.
I still think this rampant misandry as you so put it in all forms of media has yet to be seen. At least I'm not convinced of it yet. And if you can prove it to me, I'll only remain just as convinced that women in the media are just as villified as men. But then it also depends on how much media we expose ourselves to and what kinds. I don't believe there is a grand unified media agenda to swing one way or another. I think different media outlets give men and women a bad name in different ways.
Perhaps the maker of the video just didn't enjoy seeing super calm BBC correspondents talking about men in a bad way because he thinks the BBC is and should be less bias. I don't know.
I am not ignoring the injustices against women in the media. I do care about that issue as well, I really do. That just aren't what this essay is about. I understand fully that women tend to be objectified as sex objects; either being attractive or unattractive (or less attractive) based on the role they're portraying. The same can be said for men. Ads that call for male attractiveness will include attractive men. Ads that downplay this choose unattractive (or less attractive) men. On the other hand, women in media are almost always portrayed as being more intelligent, more empathetic, more rational, and being better care-givers than men. Sure, there are exceptions to this - as in anything - but I'm talking majority.
I understand this and I figured you'd be eventually acknowledging the double standard. But like I said, who is keeping score here? It's a hard thing to really quantify. If you simply wished to assert that misandry is an underrated problem, I could agree with that. But if you want to say it runs rampant and is everywhere you look, I...may not agree with you on that.
As amusing as this is to me, let's also not give any credibility to the problem of misandry by citing any women who get on Youtube and complain about men. Cause when you think about it, it's the same mentality. I know that was not the purpose of this picture, but I do equate a lot of women saying they hate men to just being stupid women that can't really maintain a healthy relationship or choose good stable men to be with (just listen to Loveline and you'll see what I mean). Basically all I'm saying is let's not factor those people into any of this.
How many times have you seen a commercial where the lazy/stupid/fat/etc husband has been asked to something simple - change a diaper/clean the house/pick up the kids/etc - but is, for some reason, much much too lazy/stupid/fat/etc to complete said task, leaving the wife to either clean up his mess/shake her head in disbelief/question his intelligence/solve the problem for him/show him that it all could have been done with the touch of a button/etc?
Granted, I have seen lots of commercials like this. I'll even agree that a commercial like this would be more acceptable than one of a menstruating woman throwing a fit and not driving well and crying incessantly. But how hard is it to find fault in the advertising industry these days? They're a bunch of soulless corporate whores that most people ignore anyway. I mean, sure, hate these ads if you want. But who is really paying attention to and being influenced by ads anyway? Besides stupid people.
How many where a man gets hurt and you are expected to laugh? How many where a woman is hurt for comedic relief? How many times can a man be hit/blugeoned/beaten up/kicked/slapped/etc before it loses its humour? How many times for a woman?
Are you crazy? That video was funny as hell. The man was clever enough not just to smack her, but scald her with the same coffee that she clumsily spilled all over his saucer. Besides, you're overlooking the intention of each ad. The first ad you linked to was not meant to be funny. The second ad was. I understand your point, but it doesn't make sense to compare an ad that was mean to be funny, and one that wasn't. Nevertheless....the scalding coffee? Fucking brilliant!
How many times have you seen an ad where a husband solved the problem for his wife? How many times have you seen an ad where the woman is lazy/stupid/fat etc and the man needs to come to her rescue? Not often, I'll bet.
Well there used to be a lot of ads like that. And for those keeping score, some feel they're just leveling things out now. But yeah, how do you know when to stop? It's the same dilemma with affirmative action. At what point does the United States feel its debt to black people has been paid? And will that matter? Maybe black people will say it's not up to the government, but themselves. They'll say when the score is even.
The same thing will continue to happen between the problem of inequalities between the sexes. But you are right in many ways. Misogyny probably is considered less acceptable than misandry is. But for now I'm not even sure that's really the point. It's like, it should be the point. It would be nice if that was the point. But the entire issue of gender inequality is still too prevalent and adversely affecting both sexes. The misandrists of today's world are just not helping it an way.
I don't think the videos are lop-sided at all. They prove a point. Violence towards men in advertising is almost always taken lightly - almost all the ads you can find of a man being hurt are along these lines. They're silly. They make you want to laugh. Almost all ads with violence done towards women are very very negative. Most are related to domestic abuse. No commercials about men being abused at home. That happens all the time, but nobody talks about it.
Okay, so you do not think it was a fallacy to directly compare an ad that was intended to be funny and one that wasn't. But I kind of think it is. Or at least, consider what's being advertised. One is specifically an ad about domestic abuse against woman. The other one, I don't even know what it was an ad for. But it seemed to be advertising a service or product and was no intended as a public service announcement.
Let me make something perfectly clear: I am not against women, nor am I against the rights of women. I believe in gender and racial equity as well as sexual equity (note that I separate gender and sex, I will get to that). It is because of this belief that I have come to realize just how much hypocrisy there is in our society. There are massive feminist movements, many of which are legitimately seeking common-ground with men. Many feminists are women who want for themselves only what their male counterparts can have. This is commendable.
Let's be realistic about one thing here: white males in the history of the world have had it much better than anyone else. So the thing is, we all know this. And now that we are a trying to make everything equal despite at least the biological fact that we are not all created equal. Equality has become such a loaded word. People advocate political equality, economic equality, and even gender equality, etc. Many people are not even just looking forward to the future for equality, they are looking to the past and demanding justice for deprived equality. Part of the reason the media could get away with being so bias against men is because they've had it so good for so long, so they have no right to complain if they are portrayed in a negative way. I personally do not agree with this assessment, but many people might. And I agree it would be hypocritical and unquantifiable as a means of leveling the playing field, but the more I think about it, the more powerless I feel about the whole situation.
What is not commendable are those people - men and women both - who seek to sow a feeling of female superiority and male subservience, painting a picture of men as incompetent brutes that would be lost without women to guide and educate them. We are sex-crazed, dim-witted, violent scourges. This idea of men and boys as incapable lowlifes has so proliferated itself in our culture that most men don't even recognize it. Our own developed apathy to this phenomenon - a result of a culture that devalues male emotion as 'weakness' - makes us shrug off what should be a cause for international outrage.
Again, I kind of disagree with you to the scale of misandry. But I do get just as annoyed as you do watching a commercial of men being oblivious to nutrituous and delicious yogurt in their fridge. It's right there! Try it!
*Note: While I don't quite agree with everything the video says, a lot of what it's points are valid. Some of it seemed a little silly and biased, but I don't think that's outweighed by its good points.
Why in our society that supposedly advocates gender and racial equality is considered acceptable to mock males (men and boys)? Why is abuse against men discredited and even encouraged when any abuse against a woman is considered horrible and chauvinistic, worthy of punishment? Why, when so much effort is put towards ending sexism and misogyny, is misandry allowed to run rampant in all forms of media for both adults and children? It is in our schools, our work-places, our politics, our home-lives, our courts, our military, on the playground... It is everywhere, this hatred of men. And we do nothing to stop it.
I am not ignoring the injustices against women in the media. I do care about that issue as well, I really do. That just aren't what this essay is about. I understand fully that women tend to be objectified as sex objects; either being attractive or unattractive (or less attractive) based on the role they're portraying. The same can be said for men. Ads that call for male attractiveness will include attractive men. Ads that downplay this choose unattractive (or less attractive) men. On the other hand, women in media are almost always portrayed as being more intelligent, more empathetic, more rational, and being better care-givers than men. Sure, there are exceptions to this - as in anything - but I'm talking majority.
How many times have you seen a commercial where the lazy/stupid/fat/etc husband has been asked to something simple - change a diaper/clean the house/pick up the kids/etc - but is, for some reason, much much too lazy/stupid/fat/etc to complete said task, leaving the wife to either clean up his mess/shake her head in disbelief/question his intelligence/solve the problem for him/show him that it all could have been done with the touch of a button/etc?
How many where a man gets hurt and you are expected to laugh? How many where a woman is hurt for comedic relief? How many times can a man be hit/blugeoned/beaten up/kicked/slapped/etc before it loses its humour? How many times for a woman?
Not Funny: Woman Hurt - Serious
Funny?: Man Hurt - Haha?
How many times have you seen an ad where a husband solved the problem for his wife? How many times have you seen an ad where the woman is lazy/stupid/fat etc and the man needs to come to her rescue? Not often, I'll bet.
Let me make something perfectly clear: I am not against women, nor am I against the rights of women. I believe in gender and racial equity as well as sexual equity (note that I separate gender and sex, I will get to that). It is because of this belief that I have come to realize just how much hypocrisy there is in our society. There are massive feminist movements, many of which are legitimately seeking common-ground with men. Many feminists are women who want for themselves only what their male counterparts can have. This is commendable.
What is not commendable are those people - men and women both - who seek to sow a feeling of female superiority and male subservience, painting a picture of men as incompetent brutes that would be lost without women to guide and educate them. We are sex-crazed, dim-witted, violent scourges. This idea of men and boys as incapable lowlifes has so proliferated itself in our culture that most men don't even recognize it. Our own developed apathy to this phenomenon - a result of a culture that devalues male emotion as 'weakness' - makes us shrug off what should be a cause for international outrage.
We need to start realizing that sexism in any form - against anyone - is a serious issue. Gender roles exist, it's true, and humanity will likely never be rid of stereotyping. But let's at least try to get away from where we are right now where women are the eternal victim of men and man's nature. Not all men are bad, not all women are good.
We're all just human.
I don't think the videos are lop-sided at all. They prove a point. Violence towards men in advertising is almost always taken lightly - almost all the ads you can find of a man being hurt are along these lines. They're silly. They make you want to laugh. Almost all ads with violence done towards women are very very negative. Most are related to domestic abuse. No commercials about men being abused at home. That happens all the time, but nobody talks about it.
Those commercials are fairly accurate representations of violence towards men & women in the media.
Snibbon - props to you all in Sweden.
I still think the female only breast caner stuff over here is a bit bull tho
But women cannot get prostate cancer, which kills a number of men approximately equal to the number of women that die from breast cancer every year in America (around 30-40 thousand).
Annual deaths from breast cancer in USA (Approx):
Women: 35,000
Men: 500
Annual deaths from prostate cancer in USA (Approx):
Women: 0
Men: 35,000
Yet there are no walks for prostate cancer. No weekends to end it. Why? Because it only affects men, and we are expendable in this society.
In any case, I feel this vid lost its purpose in trying to mix too many issues and trying to make them look like one when it really isn't.
But it is true we are falling in a trend where anything bad to a woman is tragedy and the same to a man is negligible.
Strange, then, that men are not allowed to reap the benefits of being innately strong, because that would be sexist. I think we're all living a lie to some extent, tangled up in this millennial mess.
Yes, at one point not too long ago, and even to this day in some societies, women are expendable, defeated, and ignored. The same problem, however, is shifting to the other side. Anti-feminism isn't the only sexism, and unfortunately, from what I've seen so far in my college career, it is the only form that is recognized.
Not to say that I think I have it bad, certainly not, but it's there. I feel it every time I see the dumb father in every comedy TV series. I think about it when I see the same smart, sexy, and got-it-all-together supermodel babe beating the male protagonist to the punch. In a sad attempt to right the wrongs of our ancestors and diversify society, a new monster was born.
HOWEVER
It would be completely idiotic to say that we did not have problems in the past, and do no have problems in some areas of the world, today, in regards to sexism against women. I don't fully agree with the overtone the video gave to all feminism, but it is a purely logical conclusion. To be more accepting of femininity is to be less accepting of masculinity.
We never see the man needing to accept his "male" side, we always see the man needing to get in touch with his "feminine" side, because for some reason it is derogatory to society to be male.
Perhaps what the guy in the video is really upset about is the frequency of which rape is reported on in the news. I would grant him that point if only that was his point. But he feels that because he isn't seeing stories about women raping men that it must be due to the misandrist bias of the media.
I think there is also a difference in media coverage of where the maker of this video lives. I mean, where I live, we love a good crime story where the woman is the perpetrator. The media here loves it when a woman is on the news for either having robbed a store, been arrested for prostitution, or most awesomely, had sex with one of her male students. Where I come from anyway, I find the media just as willing to include the female factor in a crime story as they would a male.
So then this guy goes on to discuss how tragedies are covered in the media. I can't really judge too far based just what I saw on his examples in the media of a group of men being trapped in a mine being called just a group of miners. He could have a point here, though. We do see in the media that if several people were killed, and some happened to be women or children, that the media makes it a point to distinguish the victims by gender and age.
As far as his points about feminism, I would have to agree with him. Especially if his point is that feminism is misguided at best. And it is. The problem with feminism is that it's a movement now being used as an attempt of to help level the playing field between the sexes after several millennia of gender inequality. What's sad really is all feminism ever wanted to be was a group of ugly women from the 1920's who wanted to vote. But then it was overrun by a group of smelly hippy women who wanted the right to an abortion to be as casual as the right to poo. Even many moderate pro-choice advocates are disturbed at the rhetoric of radical feminists who at times equate being pregnant to "being invaded by a parasitic entity." My point is, whatever feminism was, it's certainly not what it is today. And many who claim to be feminists will define in their own way what it means to be one and what the feminist movement is really all about. But the radical sides of it have certainly done some things create a misandrist agenda. Maybe even moderate feminists have too.
Well there's your problem there. You used the word supposedly. And which society are you referring to? Just modern society? Even if all societies do advocate gender and racial quality, that doesn't mean you can stop discrimination completely. And is this gender and racial equality advocating society really saying it's okay? If an irresponsible news organization is being misandrist, does the necessarily reflect what the standards are for the rest of us? And personally I didn't find a lot of those examples in that guy's news clips to be misandrist at all. While I think misandry exists and is possibly even overlooked too often, I think he might be seeing it in places where it doesn't even exist. But you're right, he still makes some good points, albeit not in the most effective way. But we got his message.
I think it would be fair at some point to acknowledge that a lot of abuse against women still goes unpunished. Or at least underpunished in my opinion. Whereas around here, one could get 5 years in jail for having too many ounces of marijuana on them. Yet a convicted rapist can easily be out in two years pending good behavior. Like I said, misandry certainly does exist, but let's not see things as that disproportional as long as women's rights and protection still has a long way to go.
I still think this rampant misandry as you so put it in all forms of media has yet to be seen. At least I'm not convinced of it yet. And if you can prove it to me, I'll only remain just as convinced that women in the media are just as villified as men. But then it also depends on how much media we expose ourselves to and what kinds. I don't believe there is a grand unified media agenda to swing one way or another. I think different media outlets give men and women a bad name in different ways.
Perhaps the maker of the video just didn't enjoy seeing super calm BBC correspondents talking about men in a bad way because he thinks the BBC is and should be less bias. I don't know.
I understand this and I figured you'd be eventually acknowledging the double standard. But like I said, who is keeping score here? It's a hard thing to really quantify. If you simply wished to assert that misandry is an underrated problem, I could agree with that. But if you want to say it runs rampant and is everywhere you look, I...may not agree with you on that.
As amusing as this is to me, let's also not give any credibility to the problem of misandry by citing any women who get on Youtube and complain about men. Cause when you think about it, it's the same mentality. I know that was not the purpose of this picture, but I do equate a lot of women saying they hate men to just being stupid women that can't really maintain a healthy relationship or choose good stable men to be with (just listen to Loveline and you'll see what I mean). Basically all I'm saying is let's not factor those people into any of this.
Granted, I have seen lots of commercials like this. I'll even agree that a commercial like this would be more acceptable than one of a menstruating woman throwing a fit and not driving well and crying incessantly. But how hard is it to find fault in the advertising industry these days? They're a bunch of soulless corporate whores that most people ignore anyway. I mean, sure, hate these ads if you want. But who is really paying attention to and being influenced by ads anyway? Besides stupid people.
Are you crazy? That video was funny as hell. The man was clever enough not just to smack her, but scald her with the same coffee that she clumsily spilled all over his saucer. Besides, you're overlooking the intention of each ad. The first ad you linked to was not meant to be funny. The second ad was. I understand your point, but it doesn't make sense to compare an ad that was mean to be funny, and one that wasn't. Nevertheless....the scalding coffee? Fucking brilliant!
Well there used to be a lot of ads like that. And for those keeping score, some feel they're just leveling things out now. But yeah, how do you know when to stop? It's the same dilemma with affirmative action. At what point does the United States feel its debt to black people has been paid? And will that matter? Maybe black people will say it's not up to the government, but themselves. They'll say when the score is even.
The same thing will continue to happen between the problem of inequalities between the sexes. But you are right in many ways. Misogyny probably is considered less acceptable than misandry is. But for now I'm not even sure that's really the point. It's like, it should be the point. It would be nice if that was the point. But the entire issue of gender inequality is still too prevalent and adversely affecting both sexes. The misandrists of today's world are just not helping it an way.
Okay, so you do not think it was a fallacy to directly compare an ad that was intended to be funny and one that wasn't. But I kind of think it is. Or at least, consider what's being advertised. One is specifically an ad about domestic abuse against woman. The other one, I don't even know what it was an ad for. But it seemed to be advertising a service or product and was no intended as a public service announcement.
Let's be realistic about one thing here: white males in the history of the world have had it much better than anyone else. So the thing is, we all know this. And now that we are a trying to make everything equal despite at least the biological fact that we are not all created equal. Equality has become such a loaded word. People advocate political equality, economic equality, and even gender equality, etc. Many people are not even just looking forward to the future for equality, they are looking to the past and demanding justice for deprived equality. Part of the reason the media could get away with being so bias against men is because they've had it so good for so long, so they have no right to complain if they are portrayed in a negative way. I personally do not agree with this assessment, but many people might. And I agree it would be hypocritical and unquantifiable as a means of leveling the playing field, but the more I think about it, the more powerless I feel about the whole situation.
Again, I kind of disagree with you to the scale of misandry. But I do get just as annoyed as you do watching a commercial of men being oblivious to nutrituous and delicious yogurt in their fridge. It's right there! Try it!
I think this is your most poignant statement. :happy:
I totally agree with you on this. I think misandry will be worse in some places and not nearly so bad in others.
LOL That street sweeper. The guy narrating the video knows he's not sweeping the streets for free, right?
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