Thats the thing that confuses me about Zombies. They're "made" from people who have been infected with that virus in their brain, and it mass replicates and replaces the brain as a new type of organ, while the rest of the body deteriorates. If thats true, then how would the Zombies get the nutrients for their muscles? With no muscles they couldn't even move at all, they'd just collapse after a while and be able to do nothing. If they inject human flesh, but it doesn't actually get digested, then they can't get nutrients from that to help sustain muscles. So basically, they simply can't work in such a manner? Unless I'm missing something (other than the fact that chances are "zombies" will never arise)?
I was thinking along the same line. I don't see how they wouldn't starve. REAL zombies would starve.
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That's largely the nature of the virus. It will make the zombie keep moving despite how worn or burned out the muscles are. This is what causes them eventually to move very slowly. But I understand what you mean. Obviously a human would need nutrients to sustain their muscles, but a zombie is completely automated by the virus. So as long as there's any muscle tissue left to move parts of the body, it will still move around.
When you think about it, even the most emaciated human can still barely walk. They have no fat left on them but there's just enough muscle to allow them to stand, walk, or even crawl. They do it slowly for sure, but they can still do it nonetheless.
That's largely the nature of the virus. It will make the zombie keep moving despite how worn or burned out the muscles are. This is what causes them eventually to move very slowly. But I understand what you mean. Obviously a human would need nutrients to sustain their muscles, but a zombie is completely automated by the virus. So as long as there's any muscle tissue left to move parts of the body, it will still move around.
When you think about it, even the most emaciated human can still barely walk. They have no fat left on them but there's just enough muscle to allow them to stand, walk, or even crawl. They do it slowly for sure, but they can still do it nonetheless.
Nope.
Starve as in die from lack of nutrients.
Especially ones that run...
When they exert energy they are going to release lactic acid that will burn through their muscles. Since they are decomposing new tissue will not form at some point. Without nutrients their bodies will compensate first and foremost by eating the muscles. They will cramp up SOOO fast if they are the running zombies.
They will be resorting to very slow movement very quickly. Within a month I doubt they would even be a threat.
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You could have all the muscles you want, but you need energy to move, you get energy from ATP and the such - so therefore, would that mean that this "virus" automatically and consistently supplies ATP (and other energy-supplying molecules) to the muscles, just enough so they can move and stuff?
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This is necrotic flesh we're talking about though. Keep in mind that zombies are still in fact undead things. And it's uncertain how the virus makes use of this flesh. That's the biggest problem with Solanum, there's so much about it that remains to be understood.
But zombies really aren't running as I stated earlier. It requires too much coordination. They will at best walk fast and as they have lost muscle tissue over time, they are reduced to a very slow slumbering walk.
Let me explain further about muscle decomposition. When a "normal" person dies, free of such a virus, they rapidly begin to break down as microorganisms eat the dead flesh. But a human body infected with Solanum is a body that is even unsuitable for microorganisms to deal with. This is how prevalent the virus is in the body, albeit it is only mutating the brain, the virus itself is present in the rest of the body. The effect of a corpse saturated with the virus is similar to anything one would do to preserve a body, thus making the average zombie "life span" much longer than one might expect.
But basically, most microbes that would normally begin feasting on a dead human will actually reject flesh infected with the virus, effectively embalming the zombie. So the muscle tissue stays relatively intact (there are still known microbes that will eat Solanum infected flesh). But other factors such as injury, moisture and temperature can play a significant determining factor in the zombie's "life span".
Okay, but then what about the actual consumption itself, and the implemation of the Solanum virus into another human. Would it infect by just merely being placed on their skin, or does it have to enter through a hole or open wound? If it must be an open wound and hole, then I don't see the virus spreading. The zombies muscles in the face (like in the legs and arms) would become so incredibly weak that their "biting" force would likely be too slow and not enoguh surpass the threshhold to pierce human skin, plus the teeth degradation lowers the chance because they're likely not even sharp?
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.22 Pistol - This would be my zombie killer. Headshots are a necessity, thus anything larger than .22 is overkill. 10+1 Capacity. Ammo is very common. I could easily carry hundreds of rounds. The round will enter the skull and ricochet around inside, tumbling end over end while destroying large swaths of brain matter. This is IDEAL and EXTREMELY METAL.
A .22 pistol will rarely penetrate a human skull, and even then, it wouldn't ricochet around inside.
A .22 pistol will rarely penetrate a human skull, and even then, it wouldn't ricochet around inside.
Bad news man, you failed the zombie apocalypse.
Evidence that in a close range that a .22 will not work?
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Dont you have to severely damage the brain, as in, destroy the brain stem to kill a Zombie?
If your .22 bullet enters the brain partially and stops the Zombies just gonna carry on
Okay, but then what about the actual consumption itself, and the implemation of the Solanum virus into another human. Would it infect by just merely being placed on their skin, or does it have to enter through a hole or open wound? If it must be an open wound and hole, then I don't see the virus spreading. The zombies muscles in the face (like in the legs and arms) would become so incredibly weak that their "biting" force would likely be too slow and not enoguh surpass the threshhold to pierce human skin, plus the teeth degradation lowers the chance because they're likely not even sharp?
The human jaw has one of the strongest muscles on it throughout the body. You exercise it everyday as you eat and talk. And you don't have to be bitten by a zombie to die and become one. But that is the way it would usually occur. If you have any open wounds or orifices that come into contact with any open wounds or orifices of a zombie, this would also get you infected. And you're right, it's not the fastest way to spread a plague. But depending on how populated the area is, sure it could spread fast.
Imagine a busy bridge in New York City that is traffic jammed due to an accident caused by people fleeing the city in panic because there were say, twenty zombies emerging from an apartment building. I can easily picture a lot of scenarios where people in large cities inevitably get bunched up and trapped together as newly made zombies are going around taking bites out of whoever they can.
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A .22 pistol will rarely penetrate a human skull, and even then, it wouldn't ricochet around inside.
Bad news man, you failed the zombie apocalypse.
Of course a .22 pistol could penetrate a human skull. Just not at long distance. Unfortunately, you do have to be pretty close to the skull to penetrate it. But that's alright anyway because you wouldn't be trying to score a headshot on a zombie with a pistol from far away. If you're far away enough from a zombie to easily make an escape, you're job is not to kill it but to get away and conserve your ammo for when you really need it. And in close encounters, a .22 pistol would work just fine if you can steady the weapon long enough to shoot the thing in the head.
And he doesn't fail the zombie apocalypse even if the .22 was completely useless. That's just a goodguy sort of thing to say.
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Dont you have to severely damage the brain, as in, destroy the brain stem to kill a Zombie?
If your .22 bullet enters the brain partially and stops the Zombies just gonna carry on
You do have to destroy a sufficient amount of brain tissue to take it down. Mere randomness may determine whether you do so in the first shot or not.
Would a zombie know that if they bite someone that person becomes infected? Is it assumed that that knowledge is known at the end of the, well, "metamorphosis"? It was widely believed in Key West that Yellow Fever was spread by breathing in polluted air, not by bite of mosquito. The mosquito, however, is born instinctively knowing that blood is food and that it obtains it by piercing skin and sucking.
Secondly, what purpose does this serve the zombie? Under normal circumstances does the zombie eat the subject, and under irregular circumstances the subject gets away somehow and survives, only to be taken by the infection? Or do zombies have some kind of biting fetish?
I don't know if a zombie would know if a person has been bit or not. But a zombie would not go after one who has died of the infection and reanimated. So then actually as long as the person has not died from Solanum then they would still be targeted by zombies, doomed though they already are.
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Secondly, what purpose does this serve the zombie? Under normal circumstances does the zombie eat the subject, and under irregular circumstances the subject gets away somehow and survives, only to be taken by the infection? Or do zombies have some kind of biting fetish?
It is a valid question how the infected could spread so fast. The way I see it, a person is either bitten and manages to get away, or the zombie attacks the person until they physically die from the attack and then move on to their next target. Zombies will continue to eat a person they have just killed, but they are attracted to sound and even more fresh living flesh. So as the zombie moves away from the person it just killed, within a short time, that victim is reanimated by the virus, while its original attacker is off trying to eat more humans.
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I was thinking along the same line. I don't see how they wouldn't starve. REAL zombies would starve.
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When you think about it, even the most emaciated human can still barely walk. They have no fat left on them but there's just enough muscle to allow them to stand, walk, or even crawl. They do it slowly for sure, but they can still do it nonetheless.
Nope.
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Starve as in die from lack of nutrients.
Especially ones that run...
When they exert energy they are going to release lactic acid that will burn through their muscles. Since they are decomposing new tissue will not form at some point. Without nutrients their bodies will compensate first and foremost by eating the muscles. They will cramp up SOOO fast if they are the running zombies.
They will be resorting to very slow movement very quickly. Within a month I doubt they would even be a threat.
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But zombies really aren't running as I stated earlier. It requires too much coordination. They will at best walk fast and as they have lost muscle tissue over time, they are reduced to a very slow slumbering walk.
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According to Left 4 Dead, no.
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
But basically, most microbes that would normally begin feasting on a dead human will actually reject flesh infected with the virus, effectively embalming the zombie. So the muscle tissue stays relatively intact (there are still known microbes that will eat Solanum infected flesh). But other factors such as injury, moisture and temperature can play a significant determining factor in the zombie's "life span".
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A .22 pistol will rarely penetrate a human skull, and even then, it wouldn't ricochet around inside.
Bad news man, you failed the zombie apocalypse.
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Evidence that in a close range that a .22 will not work?
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Looks like someone else is preparing for the Zombie apocalypse too
Dont you have to severely damage the brain, as in, destroy the brain stem to kill a Zombie?
If your .22 bullet enters the brain partially and stops the Zombies just gonna carry on
Imagine a busy bridge in New York City that is traffic jammed due to an accident caused by people fleeing the city in panic because there were say, twenty zombies emerging from an apartment building. I can easily picture a lot of scenarios where people in large cities inevitably get bunched up and trapped together as newly made zombies are going around taking bites out of whoever they can.
Of course a .22 pistol could penetrate a human skull. Just not at long distance. Unfortunately, you do have to be pretty close to the skull to penetrate it. But that's alright anyway because you wouldn't be trying to score a headshot on a zombie with a pistol from far away. If you're far away enough from a zombie to easily make an escape, you're job is not to kill it but to get away and conserve your ammo for when you really need it. And in close encounters, a .22 pistol would work just fine if you can steady the weapon long enough to shoot the thing in the head.
And he doesn't fail the zombie apocalypse even if the .22 was completely useless. That's just a goodguy sort of thing to say.
You do have to destroy a sufficient amount of brain tissue to take it down. Mere randomness may determine whether you do so in the first shot or not.
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They can smack you in the face and you can't do any thing about it.
Ha I got last post Siaynoq.
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Secondly, what purpose does this serve the zombie? Under normal circumstances does the zombie eat the subject, and under irregular circumstances the subject gets away somehow and survives, only to be taken by the infection? Or do zombies have some kind of biting fetish?
It is a valid question how the infected could spread so fast. The way I see it, a person is either bitten and manages to get away, or the zombie attacks the person until they physically die from the attack and then move on to their next target. Zombies will continue to eat a person they have just killed, but they are attracted to sound and even more fresh living flesh. So as the zombie moves away from the person it just killed, within a short time, that victim is reanimated by the virus, while its original attacker is off trying to eat more humans.
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Also, is there any chance that a zombie outbreak might happen on December 20, 2012?
1. Strap a good amount of explosives to my chest and back
2. Run over zombies for as long as I can
3. Once I know I'm screwed, BOOM!! I'll take down as many as I can with me.
The End
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