That particular song is not metal. I know the band is, but there is no way that's metal lol, that's just rock or pop or whatever. There is a small guitar spitz in there somewhere, but it's nowhere near as strong as Stargazer which is hard rock as far as I know.
Nevertheless, I do not like it too much (I think it has something to do with the voice). Whenever I hear these songs I always feel they didn't work anywhere near as hard as APP did to refine their stuff, both music and voice wise. I have a big comparison problem. I can somewhat still handle ELO though but I think it has something to do with the disrepancy between ELO and APP styles.
The second song? I have no idea what you like in a song..so personally, I can't do much to help you. I assure you though..there's something for you. Notice how many members here listen to Metal AND Pink Floyd.
Argument and Debate are two different things. Despite the divide between them being very small, there definitely is one. To put it simply, the main difference is civility. In a debate, people take different sides and attempt to prove their point. They remain polite and stick to fact and reason to prove their points. In an argument, people may resort to insults, personal attacks, and may abandon reason in exchange for violent emotions. Stick to debates. Arguing leads to flaming, which is not allowed, so don't do it.
A human?
If I give you an APP song, you're going to say it sucks. As any human, you're voicing your opinion. What's the problem?
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The problem I have is that you're saying it is crap, when it would be better to say that you simpley think that it's crap.
I see 0 difference. A person always says what they think. Why do I have to add that "I think" every time I post what I think? It's understood already.
If you think that when someone says "that sucks" they're not saying an opinion, you have too much regard for that person.
APP has about 1000 fans. Which means everyone else hates it. If I cared abotu what other people ahve to say about APP I wouldn't be able to listen to it.
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You can't use unrelated examples. This is a pretty clear cut topic. You can have an opinion only if you've listened to enough (in this case) Metal..all its genres..to enable you to say something like "Metal is crap". I'm not "arguing", nor am I "flaming"..I'm simply enlightening their closed minds. Yes, I call many genres "Crap"..but I assure, I've tested those genres time and time and time again.
I can have an opinion regardless of how much I listened. You can never listen to 100% of music, virtually impossible.
I'll shock you. I think 99% of music excluding classical is crap. In the time and the amount of bands I listened to, so rarely do I find anything that I can listen to without getting bored of it 5 minutes later and without getting annoyed, that I can make no other conclusion. It's a statistical thing. And if you know anything about statistics, nobody knows much about the population, it's too big. You estimate the population via the sample that you already have.
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Nightwish is for the people who can't handle heavier forms of Metal..or can, but like that Symphonic touch. Kamelot annihilate Nightwish.
I wonder what "can't handle" means.
I don't consider jamming the guitar as loud as possible anything to be proud of. This is what pisses me off with metal. They think the louder, the better.
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Notice how many members here listen to Metal AND Pink Floyd.
And not one of them listens to APP. The scary thing about APP is, it's all good. Every album is good. Nearly every song is good, and those that aren't are always liked by someone else. It's ridiculous. Even PF never got there.
Saying "it's crap" is like stating a fact. Saying "I merely think it's crap" is clearly stating an opinion. If you think those two fall in the same line..then that's ridiculous.
Again, refer to my post pertaining what opinions are. What you've listened to from Metal doesn't entitle you to have an opinion stating "Metal sucks"..quite simply. Whatever though..think whatever you think..I don't know why I even bother.
Saying "it's crap" is like stating a fact. Saying "I merely think it's crap" is clearly stating an opinion. If you think those two fall in the same line..then that's ridiculous.
If I give you an APP song, you will say it's crap and you won't state it as "I think".
Nobody ever does. When I give people my songs, they just say they suck.
So I'm just returning the favor. People do not value another's music taste, so I'm not going to, especially if all people can listen to is rhytmic loud NOISE.
I can have an opinion regardless of how much I listened. You can never listen to 100% of music, virtually impossible.
I'll shock you. I think 99% of music excluding classical is crap. In the time and the amount of bands I listened to, so rarely do I find anything that I can listen to without getting bored of it 5 minutes later and without getting annoyed, that I can make no other conclusion. It's a statistical thing. And if you know anything about statistics, nobody knows much about the population, it's too big. You estimate the population via the sample that you already have.
I wonder what "can't handle" means.
I don't consider jamming the guitar as loud as possible anything to be proud of. This is what pisses me off with metal. They think the louder, the better.And not one of them listens to APP.
Who said you had to listen to 99% of music? Listening to 80% of the Metal put out there is extremely doable. Listening to 40% enables you to have a pretty damn solid opinion.
"I don't consider jamming the guitar as loud as possible anything to be proud of. This is what pisses me off with metal. They think the louder, the better.And not one of them listens to APP."
That alone speaks volumes to me, and tells me that you haven't even listened to .5% of any type of Metal out there..literally. Come Clarity, Face of Melinda, Benighted, Unforgiven I, II, and III, Outlaw Torn, Almost Honest, The Call of Ktulu, Wherever I may Roam, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Use the Man, Blood of hereos..TONS AND TONS of other bands and songs which DO NOT have ANY "jamming the guitar as loud as possible, thinking the louder the better." Please, spare yourself more embarassment, and spare me the headache. Lock this topic, I beg of you.
Who said you had to listen to 99% of music? Listening to 80% of the Metal put out there is extremely doable. Listening to 40% enables you to have a pretty damn solid opinion.
"I don't consider jamming the guitar as loud as possible anything to be proud of. This is what pisses me off with metal. They think the louder, the better.And not one of them listens to APP."
That alone speaks volumes to me, and tells me that you haven't even listened to .5% of any type of Metal out there..literally. Come Clarity, Face of Melinda, Benighted, Unforgiven I, II, and III, Outlaw Torn, Almost Honest, The Call of Ktulu, Wherever I may Roam, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Use the Man, Blood of hereos..TONS AND TONS of other bands and songs which DO NOT have ANY "jamming the guitar as loud as possible, thinking the louder the better." Please, spare yourself more embarassment, and spare me the headache. Lock this topic, I beg of you.
I do agree to Mephisto, saying that 'jamming the guitar...' is stereotyping one type of music.
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Nevertheless, I do not like it too much (I think it has something to do with the voice). Whenever I hear these songs I always feel they didn't work anywhere near as hard as APP did to refine their stuff, both music and voice wise. I have a big comparison problem. I can somewhat still handle ELO though but I think it has something to do with the disrepancy between ELO and APP styles.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
Please remain civil. Thankyou.
If I give you an APP song, you're going to say it sucks. As any human, you're voicing your opinion. What's the problem?
I see 0 difference. A person always says what they think. Why do I have to add that "I think" every time I post what I think? It's understood already.
If you think that when someone says "that sucks" they're not saying an opinion, you have too much regard for that person.
APP has about 1000 fans. Which means everyone else hates it. If I cared abotu what other people ahve to say about APP I wouldn't be able to listen to it.
I can have an opinion regardless of how much I listened. You can never listen to 100% of music, virtually impossible.
I'll shock you. I think 99% of music excluding classical is crap. In the time and the amount of bands I listened to, so rarely do I find anything that I can listen to without getting bored of it 5 minutes later and without getting annoyed, that I can make no other conclusion. It's a statistical thing. And if you know anything about statistics, nobody knows much about the population, it's too big. You estimate the population via the sample that you already have.
I wonder what "can't handle" means.
I don't consider jamming the guitar as loud as possible anything to be proud of. This is what pisses me off with metal. They think the louder, the better. And not one of them listens to APP. The scary thing about APP is, it's all good. Every album is good. Nearly every song is good, and those that aren't are always liked by someone else. It's ridiculous. Even PF never got there.
Again, refer to my post pertaining what opinions are. What you've listened to from Metal doesn't entitle you to have an opinion stating "Metal sucks"..quite simply. Whatever though..think whatever you think..I don't know why I even bother.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
Nobody ever does. When I give people my songs, they just say they suck.
So I'm just returning the favor. People do not value another's music taste, so I'm not going to, especially if all people can listen to is rhytmic loud NOISE.
Who said you had to listen to 99% of music? Listening to 80% of the Metal put out there is extremely doable. Listening to 40% enables you to have a pretty damn solid opinion.
"I don't consider jamming the guitar as loud as possible anything to be proud of. This is what pisses me off with metal. They think the louder, the better.And not one of them listens to APP."
That alone speaks volumes to me, and tells me that you haven't even listened to .5% of any type of Metal out there..literally. Come Clarity, Face of Melinda, Benighted, Unforgiven I, II, and III, Outlaw Torn, Almost Honest, The Call of Ktulu, Wherever I may Roam, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motorhead, Use the Man, Blood of hereos..TONS AND TONS of other bands and songs which DO NOT have ANY "jamming the guitar as loud as possible, thinking the louder the better." Please, spare yourself more embarassment, and spare me the headache. Lock this topic, I beg of you.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
I do agree to Mephisto, saying that 'jamming the guitar...' is stereotyping one type of music.
Rise and rise again, until lambs become lions
Thanks,
Magistrate