What I mean by actuality is that when people die, there is no place they go and hang out together.
so i assume that you're not Christian (which is what I am)
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"You are like a rose in a great rose field. Each rose is so beautiful to me. But if one dies... I can still look at many other roses..." God of Darkness.
I don't believe in religion. Faith is flawless, religion is corrupt.
well it depends on how you look at it.
religion first developed so humans can explain everything they see, hear, and touch. but later, when people began to think more, they started to fear death, because no one told them what happened after it. is it eternal suffering? is it just disappearnce? no one knew. so then they made up this "afterlife" to comfort themselves at the thought of death.
right now, we have many reigions that follow that question: what happens after you die? one of them is Christianity. another is Hinduism. and so on. is it corrupt? i dont know. what really made religion evolve was that after the first "Gods", humans began telling their kids that if they act bad, the Gods will punish you. So then they will tell that to their children. and it will do that until you are in the present with the whole "Hinduism reincarntation" and the "Christian Heaven".
so why is it not bad?
since there is a heaven and hell people will be wanting to do good things to try to stay away from Hell. So you will have a motivation toward doing good things. in Christianity, it's hella harsh since if you fuck up you get eternal suffering. in hinduism, if you fuck up, you are born in a "lesser person".
so religion has it's good and bads, but the main thing that a religion must have is a motivation to do good things. that's why i beleive in religion. it motivates me.
but is it corrupt?
once in a while you'll get this psycopathic Christian and a cult saying that the women are "hookers for jesus". but that's not what the religion says. what a religion is and what people do about it are 2 different things. so saying religion is corrupt is kind of crazy since most of the religions want you to be a good person.
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"You are like a rose in a great rose field. Each rose is so beautiful to me. But if one dies... I can still look at many other roses..." God of Darkness.
Faith is believing in God, Heaven, and Hell. Faith is what you believe personally, not what you are spoon fed.
Religion is the concept that you should go to church to keep in good standing with God. Religion is the Catholic church harboring Nazi gold.
People should do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because if they don't they will go to Hell. That's the mistake people make, not because people are ignorant, but because thats what religion tells us.
I live by my rules, my morals and my ethics. Not what some book written by some foolish group of men says.
Faith is believing in God, Heaven, and Hell. Faith is what you believe personally, not what you are spoon fed.
Religion is the concept that you should go to church to keep in good standing with God. Religion is the Catholic church harboring Nazi gold.
People should do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because if they don't they will go to Hell. That's the mistake people make, not because people are ignorant, but because thats what religion tells us.
I live by my rules, my morals and my ethics. Not what some book written by some foolish group of men.
so you're saying that i wasted 10 minutes posting all that....
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"You are like a rose in a great rose field. Each rose is so beautiful to me. But if one dies... I can still look at many other roses..." God of Darkness.
People should do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because if they don't they will go to Hell. That's the mistake people make, not because people are ignorant, but because thats what religion tells us.
But if someone maintains that their own personal faith is exclusive and those who don't accept go to hell, then your definition is kind of shaky, unless I'm not understanding what you're typing... Could you explain it a little more? (please)
well hell is part of religion so you should let the discussion go on.
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"You are like a rose in a great rose field. Each rose is so beautiful to me. But if one dies... I can still look at many other roses..." God of Darkness.
But if someone maintains that their own personal faith is exclusive and those who don't accept go to hell, then your definition is kind of shaky, unless I'm not understanding what you're typing... Could you explain it a little more? (please)
You don't impart your faith on others. It's your faith. It's personal. If your faith includes going to hell for being less than stellar, sweet.
There is no way for me to define the line between faith and religion so that everyone will understand. It's a line you have to make yourself, I only stand to foster this concept of separation between faith and religion. You have to figure out the rest on your own.
Think about this:
If someone believes in God and has a relationship with Him in his or her heart, but refuses to go to church, why should the church going people thing any less of them? Church is where the people who have weak faith go to make up for it.
You don't impart your faith on others. It's your faith. It's personal. If you're faith includes going to hell for being less than stellar, sweet.
There is no way for me to define the line between faith and religion so that everyone will understand. It's a line you have to make yourself, I only stand to foster this concept of separation between faith and religion. You have to figure out the rest on your own.
Think about this:
If someone believes in God and has a relationship with Him in his or her heart, but refuses to go to church, why should the church going people thing any less of them? Church is where the people who have weak faith go to make up for it.
the Church is symbol. it's not a requirement. in the 10 commandments, God/Moses said that the "You must remember the day of the Sabbath and keep it holy." it doesn't mean that they have to go to church. it just means that they need to dedicate one day per week to God.
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"You are like a rose in a great rose field. Each rose is so beautiful to me. But if one dies... I can still look at many other roses..." God of Darkness.
well hell is part of religion so you should let the discussion go on.
Hell is not necessarily a part of religion. A person may have their own personal belief of something equating what others consider Hell. The thread was to discuss how one might picture it. But if you really wanna get tangled up in a discussion about religion, have at it I guess. Until I close the thread of course.
Hell is not necessarily a part of religion. A person may have their own personal belief of something equating what others consider Hell. The thread was to discuss how one might picture it. But if you really wanna get tangled up in a discussion about religion, have at it I guess. Until I close the thread of course.
For the record, I had every intention to maintain civility. I'm bailing out of this thread before it gets out of hand. I ask that you not delete or close the thread though.
-.-' Fine, whatever. Everyone else is trying to piss off tonight too, so go ahead, I guess. I was just asking a goddamn question, no ill intentions behind it.
I'm happy not to close it as long as we get back to describing how we picture Hell. If you were forced to conceptualize Hell, be it in a religious context or personal context, then describe it. Use your imagination. Maybe it means being forced to watch Ben Stiller movies all day. I don't know, you tell me.
I picture a personalized Hell- torture would be based on what is most horrible to the person being tortured. So no everyone would get flames, not everyone would get darkness.
I kind of want to see a frozen hell, a desert hell, a flaming hell, a bloody hell, and a medieval castle hell (maybe a bulbous fleshy maggoty type of hell)(maggoty is a word?). There we go five acts, perfect.
i dont want to sound like an ass, or anything like that, but take all your ideas on hell, and just throw them away. Imagine Hell as the worst thing ever, actually, you probably cant even comprehend how bad it is, its so bad, that our minds cant comprehend it. pain beyond imagination, terrible terrible things to see that you cant even imagine. its like your worst nightmare multiplied by and infinate number.
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Hell is utter darkness, a meaningless void of terror where there is pain, suffering, agony, and gnashing of teeth. The pain there is unbelievably so bad you cant even begin to comprehend it. It never ends, how your being is i dont know, maybe it will be the feeling of claustrophobic or chained in everlansting pain of fire. The sound there will be bone chilling, sheer horror, the screams of other souls being in torment of God's wrath, although God is far away as possibly can be. And this goes on for eternity...
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so i assume that you're not Christian (which is what I am)
I don't believe in religion. Faith is flawless, religion is corrupt.
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well it depends on how you look at it.
religion first developed so humans can explain everything they see, hear, and touch. but later, when people began to think more, they started to fear death, because no one told them what happened after it. is it eternal suffering? is it just disappearnce? no one knew. so then they made up this "afterlife" to comfort themselves at the thought of death.
right now, we have many reigions that follow that question: what happens after you die? one of them is Christianity. another is Hinduism. and so on. is it corrupt? i dont know. what really made religion evolve was that after the first "Gods", humans began telling their kids that if they act bad, the Gods will punish you. So then they will tell that to their children. and it will do that until you are in the present with the whole "Hinduism reincarntation" and the "Christian Heaven".
so why is it not bad?
since there is a heaven and hell people will be wanting to do good things to try to stay away from Hell. So you will have a motivation toward doing good things. in Christianity, it's hella harsh since if you fuck up you get eternal suffering. in hinduism, if you fuck up, you are born in a "lesser person".
so religion has it's good and bads, but the main thing that a religion must have is a motivation to do good things. that's why i beleive in religion. it motivates me.
but is it corrupt?
once in a while you'll get this psycopathic Christian and a cult saying that the women are "hookers for jesus". but that's not what the religion says. what a religion is and what people do about it are 2 different things. so saying religion is corrupt is kind of crazy since most of the religions want you to be a good person.
Faith is believing in God, Heaven, and Hell. Faith is what you believe personally, not what you are spoon fed.
Religion is the concept that you should go to church to keep in good standing with God. Religion is the Catholic church harboring Nazi gold.
People should do the right thing because it's the right thing, not because if they don't they will go to Hell. That's the mistake people make, not because people are ignorant, but because thats what religion tells us.
I live by my rules, my morals and my ethics. Not what some book written by some foolish group of men says.
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http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17929
so you're saying that i wasted 10 minutes posting all that....
Seems that way.
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You don't impart your faith on others. It's your faith. It's personal. If your faith includes going to hell for being less than stellar, sweet.
There is no way for me to define the line between faith and religion so that everyone will understand. It's a line you have to make yourself, I only stand to foster this concept of separation between faith and religion. You have to figure out the rest on your own.
Think about this:
If someone believes in God and has a relationship with Him in his or her heart, but refuses to go to church, why should the church going people thing any less of them? Church is where the people who have weak faith go to make up for it.
Vote:
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17929
the Church is symbol. it's not a requirement. in the 10 commandments, God/Moses said that the "You must remember the day of the Sabbath and keep it holy." it doesn't mean that they have to go to church. it just means that they need to dedicate one day per week to God.
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For the record, I had every intention to maintain civility. I'm bailing out of this thread before it gets out of hand. I ask that you not delete or close the thread though.
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I picture a personalized Hell- torture would be based on what is most horrible to the person being tortured. So no everyone would get flames, not everyone would get darkness.
Fuck you, I'm a dragon.
Hell is utter darkness, a meaningless void of terror where there is pain, suffering, agony, and gnashing of teeth. The pain there is unbelievably so bad you cant even begin to comprehend it. It never ends, how your being is i dont know, maybe it will be the feeling of claustrophobic or chained in everlansting pain of fire. The sound there will be bone chilling, sheer horror, the screams of other souls being in torment of God's wrath, although God is far away as possibly can be. And this goes on for eternity...
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