Favorite would be TOS Spock... obviously... *points at avatar*
Least favorite? Dunno. Mostly that would be secondary 1-ep characters. Something bigger than that I could go with Q I guess. I know most people love him but he annoys the hell out of me.
Lets talk about the Borg. The Borg have a collective consciousness. Their are no individuals. There is only the hive mind. I love how they have such a stubborn attitude that regardless of the circumstances, they will "adapt." I love to take on this personal attitude myself.
In star trek voyager, Seven of Nine is a human woman who was assimilated on her parents research vessel, who were themselves researching the Borg and has since severed the connection with the collective.
In several episodes they used Seven of Nine as a great focus torwards the theme of the episode. The little girl, forgot her name, started off hating Seven and her strange personality, but she began to love Seven and even began to take on parts of Seven's personality.
When given a seemingly impossible task and asked if Seven could handle it, she would simply respond, "I am Borg." Hells yea.
I think the adaptation hability is awesome, but that hability is provided thanks to their hive mind, wich I think is not a virtue to them... actually in an evolutionary point of view, this colective behaviour is not a great asset, because if something affects the queen then the whole hive falls...
I'm not an star trek expert but I give this opinion from a general perspective, so I might be wrong in some aspects of the issue...
The Borg are very much technologically advanced. They assimilate the biological and technological distinctivenesses every race they find. Their collective behavior is efficient because even though there is a queen that manages the hive mind, the entire collective operates as though they are a single mind. This is much more efficient than having a single leader. From a temporal perspective, when a fleet destroyed one of the cubes, the same one appears later on because they have mastered temporal mechanics. Its difficult to engage and destroy the Borg because they adapt to technology and weapons fire so quickly.
but you loose individuality!!!! I like being unique!! that's why in D2 unique are golden!!!
anyway... yeah, they're a very powerfull "race" but they're like parasites... that's kind of degrading... they don't have any dignity, call me old minded, but that uniqueness is a very big part of human dignity and I belive is something I wouldn't be so easily willing to give up...
if we are talking about the power of the species... yes, they are awesome at that!! but they're the bad guys so I don't like them :confused:
I totally agree. They are bad guys so i don't tend to like them myself. What i do like about them is how they approach a difficult situation and move forward with stubborn if not unfortunate arrogant tenacity. Star Trek is a series that teaches what it is like and what it means to be human. It explores much of the philosophy of exactly what you mention about the value of individuality and then goes in depth about emotion. I find that many people don't realize or appreciate this to the degree that others may. There is much grace and appreciation to individuality that they convey at times.
well... I think you summarized things pretty good!!!! I just can't say anything that would really add to that... and that's something pretty hard to do
Another senario that i really appreciate is the Kobayashi Maru senario. Now unfortionately evey one knows about it with the most recent release of the new star trek movie, but the philosophy in this goes way back before this most recent movie was released. I am glad however that they at least paid tribute to the kobayashi maru as it makes sense for it to be shown in Kirks academy days.
There is a test of character on how one deals with personal failure. On one had some one could find it honorable to resist the temtation of believeing in a no-win senario. However, it is even more so honarable to accept defete and learn from your mistakes and become a better person in the long run. Certain situations are such that not only is it a no-win senario, but a no-win death senario. The Kobayashi maru was a test designed to test how a cadet would react to an impossible situation.
Kirk argues that the test itself is a cheat, as the program is unwinnable, and thus cheating is the only solution. Spock counters that the point of the test is not to win, but to face fear and accept the possibility of death, like Kirk's father did.
well... that's something debateable, putting someone in an impossible situation just to make them learn the hard way might not be the best way to teach something...
why not try to test it in a more... standard way?? is that to easy? or they are just cruel??
The purpose of the test is to experience fear, fear in the face of certain death. To accept that fear and remain in control of ones self and ones crew. This is a quality expected in every star fleet captain.
Not everyone believes that the test itself is fair. Kirk always chose not to believe in the no-win scenario. There is a test of character shown when one deals with a difficult situation or circumstance in an admirable manner.
Lets talk about the Borg. The Borg have a collective consciousness. Their are no individuals. There is only the hive mind. I love how they have such a stubborn attitude that regardless of the circumstances, they will "adapt." I love to take on this personal attitude myself.
Yes, what makes the Borg truly intimidating is that they cannot be reasoned or bartered with. At least, that's how they were before Yoyager. I kind of don't like how weak they seemed in Voyager. The Borg are supposed to represent sheer force of will upon others without any room for compromise. I felt like the writers in Voyager failed to understand that about them.
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In star trek voyager, Seven of Nine is a human woman who was assimilated on her parents research vessel, who were themselves researching the Borg and has since severed the connection with the collective.
The problem I had with that character was the way they were always trying to teach Seven about humanity. And they were already doing that with the Doctor so it was getting kind of overkill considering they already did the whole humanity lesson on Data.
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In several episodes they used Seven of Nine as a great focus torwards the theme of the episode. The little girl, forgot her name, started off hating Seven and her strange personality, but she began to love Seven and even began to take on parts of Seven's personality.
Yeah there were so many episodes focused around Seven. It seemed like they were relying on her too much as a plot device. What, with her nanobots and all.
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When given a seemingly impossible task and asked if Seven could handle it, she would simply respond, "I am Borg." Hells yea.
Ehh.....
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I think the adaptation hability is awesome, but that hability is provided thanks to their hive mind, wich I think is not a virtue to them... actually in an evolutionary point of view, this colective behaviour is not a great asset, because if something affects the queen then the whole hive falls...
I'm not an star trek expert but I give this opinion from a general perspective, so I might be wrong in some aspects of the issue...
There are obviously major downsides to their collectivism. They are not capable of innovating via individual ideas. Thus they compensate just by stealing everyone else's ideas. It's allowed them to expand exponentially, but it is arguably an unnatural form of evolution and without some slower pacing the technology and culture they assimilate could work only to destroy them.
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The Borg are very much technologically advanced. They assimilate the biological and technological distinctivenesses every race they find. Their collective behavior is efficient because even though there is a queen that manages the hive mind, the entire collective operates as though they are a single mind. This is much more efficient than having a single leader. From a temporal perspective, when a fleet destroyed one of the cubes, the same one appears later on because they have mastered temporal mechanics. Its difficult to engage and destroy the Borg because they adapt to technology and weapons fire so quickly.
In the Star Trek universe however, anyone can master temporal mechanics. All it really takes to travel back in time is a slingshot around the sun.
Really, time travel kind of pervades the Star Trek universe. Fun at times, lamentable at others.
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but you loose individuality!!!! I like being unique!! that's why in D2 unique are golden!!!
anyway... yeah, they're a very powerfull "race" but they're like parasites... that's kind of degrading... they don't have any dignity, call me old minded, but that uniqueness is a very big part of human dignity and I belive is something I wouldn't be so easily willing to give up...
if we are talking about the power of the species... yes, they are awesome at that!! but they're the bad guys so I don't like them :confused:
The Borg are in a sense, kind of idealists. They believe in making the universe ordered and homogenous. Individuality can be detrimental to a society. In Western cultures, we tend to mythologize and revere the individual because he is the rebel and we think that is something to be admired. But in Easter cultures, individuality tends to be more a mark of shame, someone who cannot integrate themselves as well and hinders the progress of the overall society. The Borg would take such a perspective to the extreme of even modifying someone's body and mind to erase individuality. And this is what makes the Borg so cool from a sci-fi point of view. A space faring race that is racing to make everyone in the universe the same for the overall good of their collective; albeit, it is their collective.
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I totally agree. They are bad guys so i don't tend to like them myself. What i do like about them is how they approach a difficult situation and move forward with stubborn if not unfortunate arrogant tenacity. Star Trek is a series that teaches what it is like and what it means to be human. It explores much of the philosophy of exactly what you mention about the value of individuality and then goes in depth about emotion. I find that many people don't realize or appreciate this to the degree that others may. There is much grace and appreciation to individuality that they convey at times.
But Star Trek also provides many examples of what brazen individuality can cause. There are many individuals throughout Star Trek who acted of their own accord and strived to distinguish themselves, at times with extremely dangerous consequences.
The problem I had with that character was the way they were always trying to teach Seven about humanity. And they were already doing that with the Doctor so it was getting kind of overkill considering they already did the whole humanity lesson on Data.
Yeah there were so many episodes focused around Seven. It seemed like they were relying on her too much as a plot device. What, with her nanobots and all.
This is a reoccurring theme in star trek. It happens to be one that i personally appreciate. It isn't always the same lesson, but rather many different aspects of humanity that they explore.
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In the Star Trek universe however, anyone can master temporal mechanics. All it really takes to travel back in time is a slingshot around the sun.
That's not good. I haven't tried it yet. But I would like to. The only reason I haven't gotten the game so far is because I don't want to have to pay monthly for a subscription and I am just sooo busy between school and work. Not enough people have purchased the game?
That Star Trek MMO is utter trash.
You use the spacebar to fire phasers, and it's not auto so you have to press it a lot.
Read a review or something.
Just don't waste your money on it.
I'm saddened by all the negative reviews about it. Though I did have a bad feeling about it for some time as it was passed from one producer to another. I just really hoped the game would have gotten me into my first MMO.
Least favorite? Dunno. Mostly that would be secondary 1-ep characters. Something bigger than that I could go with Q I guess. I know most people love him but he annoys the hell out of me.
In star trek voyager, Seven of Nine is a human woman who was assimilated on her parents research vessel, who were themselves researching the Borg and has since severed the connection with the collective.
In several episodes they used Seven of Nine as a great focus torwards the theme of the episode. The little girl, forgot her name, started off hating Seven and her strange personality, but she began to love Seven and even began to take on parts of Seven's personality.
When given a seemingly impossible task and asked if Seven could handle it, she would simply respond, "I am Borg." Hells yea.
I'm not an star trek expert but I give this opinion from a general perspective, so I might be wrong in some aspects of the issue...
anyway... yeah, they're a very powerfull "race" but they're like parasites... that's kind of degrading... they don't have any dignity, call me old minded, but that uniqueness is a very big part of human dignity and I belive is something I wouldn't be so easily willing to give up...
if we are talking about the power of the species... yes, they are awesome at that!! but they're the bad guys so I don't like them :confused:
There is a test of character on how one deals with personal failure. On one had some one could find it honorable to resist the temtation of believeing in a no-win senario. However, it is even more so honarable to accept defete and learn from your mistakes and become a better person in the long run. Certain situations are such that not only is it a no-win senario, but a no-win death senario. The Kobayashi maru was a test designed to test how a cadet would react to an impossible situation.
Kirk argues that the test itself is a cheat, as the program is unwinnable, and thus cheating is the only solution. Spock counters that the point of the test is not to win, but to face fear and accept the possibility of death, like Kirk's father did.
why not try to test it in a more... standard way?? is that to easy? or they are just cruel??
Not everyone believes that the test itself is fair. Kirk always chose not to believe in the no-win scenario. There is a test of character shown when one deals with a difficult situation or circumstance in an admirable manner.
The problem I had with that character was the way they were always trying to teach Seven about humanity. And they were already doing that with the Doctor so it was getting kind of overkill considering they already did the whole humanity lesson on Data.
Yeah there were so many episodes focused around Seven. It seemed like they were relying on her too much as a plot device. What, with her nanobots and all.
Ehh.....
There are obviously major downsides to their collectivism. They are not capable of innovating via individual ideas. Thus they compensate just by stealing everyone else's ideas. It's allowed them to expand exponentially, but it is arguably an unnatural form of evolution and without some slower pacing the technology and culture they assimilate could work only to destroy them.
In the Star Trek universe however, anyone can master temporal mechanics. All it really takes to travel back in time is a slingshot around the sun.
Really, time travel kind of pervades the Star Trek universe. Fun at times, lamentable at others.
The Borg are in a sense, kind of idealists. They believe in making the universe ordered and homogenous. Individuality can be detrimental to a society. In Western cultures, we tend to mythologize and revere the individual because he is the rebel and we think that is something to be admired. But in Easter cultures, individuality tends to be more a mark of shame, someone who cannot integrate themselves as well and hinders the progress of the overall society. The Borg would take such a perspective to the extreme of even modifying someone's body and mind to erase individuality. And this is what makes the Borg so cool from a sci-fi point of view. A space faring race that is racing to make everyone in the universe the same for the overall good of their collective; albeit, it is their collective.
But Star Trek also provides many examples of what brazen individuality can cause. There are many individuals throughout Star Trek who acted of their own accord and strived to distinguish themselves, at times with extremely dangerous consequences.
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This is a reoccurring theme in star trek. It happens to be one that i personally appreciate. It isn't always the same lesson, but rather many different aspects of humanity that they explore.
aye.
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The idea of creating my own species really appealed to me, but not enough to make playing the game interesting for more than one month at most.
You can't bind your own keys?
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They may sort out some GLARING issues by then, too. Right now it doesn't look so good.
You have to hit the space bar constantly like that!?! wtf
I can't believe they would make such an utter fail
Sigh. Maybe the game isnt so bad.. *hopes*
lol I still don't feel like paying for it monthly..