Although HD may have some advantages, cost-wise, the Blu-ray has more capabilities, and even if HD wins in the beginning, Blu-ray is the better choice as a future format. And since it would be in the market for so long, that would give it time to prepare for mass-production and be cheaper with more features (not to mention possibly improvements), before Microsoft can pump out another format.
I disagree with the analogy because Apple's products are based on their simplicity or "basic" nature. You know, that whole "easier to use" thing. It doesn't add up with the goals of PS3. Apple isn't doing as well because its OS isn't suited for the majority of people because of it's limited influence. It has to endorse its own product, unlike Microsoft. There are limited stores, unlike for Microsoft, and the fact that it is virtually impossible to fiddle with its hardware makes it an unideal choice for many.
And if you think about it, Windows is far from basic. The main reason people choose it is because that's the OS that everyone is accustomed to.
And where are you going with the PS3's inability to upgrade? Consoles aren't really meant to be upgraded. They're simply meant to be used until a newer model comes out. Which is basically the same idea that Apple adopted. But that makes Apples similar to consoles in general. Well, you know, except for its limited compatibility with games as well as its inability to process them as well as on a PC of equal power. But I believe that's a coding issue.
i had not heard of all those, thanks for the insight. the fantasy thing is indeed a good point O_o.
PS3 isnt a game though (but yea Gears of War 2 and Halo 3 gonna be awesome)
i meant that those two games were going to make it even harder for the PS3 to survive. of course PS3 isnt a game!!! its a goddamn console.
Oh man. If you seriously want to talk about the 9/11 conspiracy, start a thread about it. If you'll search for "September 11 was FAKE" or something like that, you'll find the thread. It's closed. But that's partially because I, along with a couple people, basically shut down that theory.
thats because we are good americans. and if not all americans, at least intellegent human beings.
The idea is that it will put Xbox 360 even further ahead of the PS3.
you are on my good list these days. ^^. i find myself agreeing with you on almost anything this week.
You can't shut down something that can neither be proven nor disproven.
But I can prove that the idea of a conspiracy is far less likely than it being as it seemed. And that should be implied. If I had to explain it, it would just give you one more thing to read. It's an inconvenience for both of us if it's already understood yet needs to be explained.
Thats why you messed up, you accuse (or imply) everyone not agreeing with you believes in a 9/11 conspiracy (by the way, you could view it as a conspiracy by the people blindly believing everything the governement tells them not to believe into the conspiracy, but that nuance is probably lost on you )
I was alluding to the kind of people I debated with in the 9/11 thread, who debate the same way. It's hardly a statement of fact as it is an attack on his character.
hey guess what, i wasnt a member during that discussion period. please don't include me in stuff that i didnt have the opportunity to discuss it, and i dont exactly want to
so your saying that everyone with a different personality, thoughts than you, and "seems" liek a conspiracy theorist" [which i admit i kind of am] you link to them thinking 9/11 being a consiracy? your just as bad as anyone on that thread that hated america.
hey guess what, i wasnt a member during that discussion period. please don't include me in stuff that i didnt have the opportunity to discuss it, and i dont exactly want to
Like I said, it was an attack on your character, not a statement of fact. Try reading what I said.
so your saying that everyone with a different personality, thoughts than you, and "seems" liek a conspiracy theorist" [which i admit i kind of am] you link to them thinking 9/11 being a consiracy? your just as bad as anyone on that thread that hated america.
Nope. Never said anything like that. Way to put words in my mouth. You're so very presumptuous.
hmm you seem traumatised by that 9/11 thread, never checked it.
so your saying that everyone with a different personality, thoughts than you, and "seems" liek a conspiracy theorist" [which i admit i kind of am'] you link to them thinking 9/11 being a consiracy? your just as bad as anyone on that thread that hated america.
in that thread we stated facts and shared thoughts. As Mutton said, it was rather enjoyable and good for the mind (was prolly one of the few threads i disagreed at some things with Mutton). Read the thread and open your mind. You might aswell learn something in the process.
I wasnt being excessively self confidant at all...
i was simply using your own words and using it to compare against my opinions.
Presumptuous is also defined as being bold. And you certainly have made some rather bold, yet stupid conjectures.
and for fake liberties...
Don't know what you mean by fake liberties, nor do I care. It's a non-issue to me as it is to this discussion.
no i did not put words in your mouth
i simply used what words were given to me, used the inspiration of my mind and pulled it out my ass.
Then quote me.
that statement is what i think is what kind of person you are and what you do.
just because you didnt say it, doesnt mean it isnt true
Right...so I'm an attack on your character that's main priority is attacking your character. Great logic. Certainly a presumptuous move on your part.
facts arent just based on written or verbal information
its also based on expressions [your sarcasm, etc] and things that have occured, albeit in the past, or the present.
The point of written information is to confirm that which has happened. Other than that, there is no way to prove what is fact or not. And you're saying that my sarcasm is factual? Last I checked, the definition of sarcasm is an expression which implies the opposite, not a factual expression. But that is hardly the issue. You're getting way off track.
Point is, I countered your initial argument, and you have yet to contradict anything I've said. I've pointed out the flaws in your statements as well as the misuse of quotes and now that that is over, there's little else to talk about other than petty or irrelevant subjects.
So now, assuming that there is nothing of importance to talk about there, anyone else want to input for the PS3 vs. Xbox 360 discussion?
i did warn you before you mounted yourself over a fire for the grill master. you should have listened!
So now, assuming that there is nothing of importance to talk about there, anyone else want to input for the PS3 vs. Xbox 360 discussion?
yes, but i dont know if anyone else is in support of the PS3. if anyone supports it, i wouldnt mind exchanging opinions about which system will outrun the other.
Wow. That's all I'm going to say. No one even won that argument either. Hahahaha. All I said was "they cured cancer" and I got 4 pages of arguments. That's so awesome.
@Carloseus:
It's spelled Xerxes.
Xbox 360 > PS3
HD-DVD > Blu-Ray (capacity is not the deciding factor here and tha't all blu-ray has and barely)
Wow. That's all I'm going to say. No one even won that argument either. Hahahaha. All I said was "they cured cancer" and I got 4 pages of arguments. That's so awesome.
@Carloseus:
It's spelled Xerxes.
Xbox 360 > PS3
HD-DVD > Blu-Ray (capacity is not the deciding factor here and tha't all blu-ray has and barely)
holy crap your right. i dont know how i didnt catch that. x is right next to c. lol.
I've simply never played on a PS3. I was barely able to afford the 360 as it was. And I even had to gradually upgrade later with a harddrive for it, then a headset. So far, I just really enjoy specific games on the 360, some of which are original Xbox games such as Doom 3. Then I also really got into Oblivion (yes, I know it's on the PS3 now) and Star Trek Legacy.
So since I've never played the PS3, I will say I'm more or less indifferent to which is better. Sometimes, whichever one is better isn't even the issue, but which games each one supports. And you just gotta go for what has your favorite games I suppose.
You dont have to play it o face the facts the the xbox 360 has better specs.
No one even won that argument either. Hahahaha. All I said was "they cured cancer" and I got 4 pages of arguments. That's so awesome.
It spiraled into a series of other arguments. Notice how the ending issues had nothing to do with cancer.
yes, but i dont know if anyone else is in support of the PS3. if anyone supports it, i wouldnt mind exchanging opinions about which system will outrun the other.
I still like the PS3 although the 360 is the more midrange solution.
HD-DVD > Blu-Ray (capacity is not the deciding factor here and tha't all blu-ray has and barely)
Well, when they basically have the same exact stuff, capacity can become the deciding factor. More companies endorse it. It's already becoming a well-accepted movie format (unlike 360) and is capable of storing a little more than twice the information in one-sixth of the space. The primary issue is that the coating to protect that 1mm layer is more expensive.
Microsoft hardly even endorses their own product. You have to buy an HD-DVD drive for your Xbox 360 and even then, there are not many things to use it for, while the PS3 primarily uses the Blu-ray and pushes the format.
And what is the HD-DVD supposed to have over the Blu-ray?
Lol this all comes down to SALES not opinions cuz i know xbox 360 is the best!
xbox 360 has the BEST GAMES- Halo, Gears of war, Elder scrolls oblivion, fable and MUCH MUCH MORE!!!!
plus xbox 360 online play is AWEEEESSSSSOOOMMMMMMMMEEEEE ive read that real programmers say ps3 is better graphics on paper but in REALIFE it looks better until someone uses the FULL power of the ps3 then it will only be a lil better plus ps3 is overpriced.
PLUS xbox 360 had the GOTY with elder scrolls and next/this year it will be gears of war.
but lets look at the truth(not the opinion) xbox 360 sold 15 mil.....yes its been out 1 extra year but wanna know something sad? ps3 only sold like 1 min consoles and 1 WEEEEEKKKK after it came out i saw 2 consoles in the store!!!! thats bad it should be sold out! but whatever!
HD-DVD has better special features since they had problems getting the special features on the the blu-ray discs due to a java format and the lack of certain players support. HD-DVD read's faster and is cheaper. When it comes to movies and games, the extra few gigs doesn't make a difference. Look at how many games out now take up exactly 8.5 gigs on a DVDR9? None. Most games still leave a gig or 2 left on regular DVD's The capacity doesn't make a difference. 45 GB on HD-DVD and 50 GB on Blu-Ray. 5 GB... who cares?
I'll have you know that in the highest test, Blu-ray got 100GB on it. HD-DVD got 45GB. Much bigger difference, bud.
and the lack of certain players support
That's changing as it becomes a more popular format for multimedia. And if by players, you mean codecs, then you're wrong as hell. Because on that link I offered earlier, they have the same exact codecs.
HD-DVD read's faster and is cheaper
I'm not very informed on the most specific of technological aspects, but it doesn't take a genius to know that once they begin mass-producing blu-ray diodes, that will greatly decrease the manufacturing costs of at least the Blu-ray players.
Also, with an increase in technology, comes an increase in the need for space to fit that technology into. Even if it's not completely utilized now, it would possibly take over in the future.
Alluding to the automobile market, if gas cars were able to overtake electric cars in the very beginning, despite the fact that they are more inconvenient and more powerful (on top of being more expensive), who's to say that the same thing won't happen with Blu-ray and HD-DVD.
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i meant that those two games were going to make it even harder for the PS3 to survive. of course PS3 isnt a game!!! its a goddamn console.
thats because we are good americans. and if not all americans, at least intellegent human beings.
you are on my good list these days. ^^. i find myself agreeing with you on almost anything this week.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that, as it sounds as if americans would be the equivalent of dogs. Although, I am proud to be an American.
And I can't find the thread.
But I can prove that the idea of a conspiracy is far less likely than it being as it seemed. And that should be implied. If I had to explain it, it would just give you one more thing to read. It's an inconvenience for both of us if it's already understood yet needs to be explained.
I was alluding to the kind of people I debated with in the 9/11 thread, who debate the same way. It's hardly a statement of fact as it is an attack on his character.
so your saying that everyone with a different personality, thoughts than you, and "seems" liek a conspiracy theorist" [which i admit i kind of am] you link to them thinking 9/11 being a consiracy? your just as bad as anyone on that thread that hated america.
dont be so damned narcissistic
Like I said, it was an attack on your character, not a statement of fact. Try reading what I said.
Nope. Never said anything like that. Way to put words in my mouth. You're so very presumptuous.
Not traumatized at all. But I did enjoy it.
in that thread we stated facts and shared thoughts. As Mutton said, it was rather enjoyable and good for the mind (was prolly one of the few threads i disagreed at some things with Mutton). Read the thread and open your mind. You might aswell learn something in the process.
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grats me on the 1,000th post
i doubt you even know what it means
and if not ill define it from google for you just so theres no speculation on if its innacurate...
I wasnt being excessively self confidant at all...
i was simply using your own words and using it to compare against my opinions.
and for fake liberties...
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idk if thats the correct use of it..as we arent talking about freedom.. but whatever disregard that
i wasnt being presumptuous
you just learned a new word and like to use it a lot.
i read it and put forth my answer for it being in the form of... the next sentence! what a surprise.
no i did not put words in your mouth
i simply used what words were given to me, used the inspiration of my mind and pulled it out my ass.
just kidding
that statement is what i think is what kind of person you are and what you do.
just because you didnt say it, doesnt mean it isnt true
facts arent just based on written or verbal information
its also based on expressions [your sarcasm, etc] and things that have occured, albeit in the past, or the present.
[i might be wrong, dont get all defense on my ass, coodve been someone else]
p.s. congrats, 1,000.
Presumptuous is also defined as being bold. And you certainly have made some rather bold, yet stupid conjectures.
Don't know what you mean by fake liberties, nor do I care. It's a non-issue to me as it is to this discussion.
Then quote me.
Right...so I'm an attack on your character that's main priority is attacking your character. Great logic. Certainly a presumptuous move on your part.
The point of written information is to confirm that which has happened. Other than that, there is no way to prove what is fact or not. And you're saying that my sarcasm is factual? Last I checked, the definition of sarcasm is an expression which implies the opposite, not a factual expression. But that is hardly the issue. You're getting way off track.
Point is, I countered your initial argument, and you have yet to contradict anything I've said. I've pointed out the flaws in your statements as well as the misuse of quotes and now that that is over, there's little else to talk about other than petty or irrelevant subjects.
So now, assuming that there is nothing of importance to talk about there, anyone else want to input for the PS3 vs. Xbox 360 discussion?
you win
*hangs head in defeat*
i did warn you before you mounted yourself over a fire for the grill master. you should have listened!
yes, but i dont know if anyone else is in support of the PS3. if anyone supports it, i wouldnt mind exchanging opinions about which system will outrun the other.
@Carloseus:
It's spelled Xerxes.
Xbox 360 > PS3
HD-DVD > Blu-Ray (capacity is not the deciding factor here and tha't all blu-ray has and barely)
Vote:
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17929
holy crap your right. i dont know how i didnt catch that. x is right next to c. lol.
hope you have a nice day.
ill make sure to delete this post when i wake up and see the warcraft splash screen.
You dont have to play it o face the facts the the xbox 360 has better specs.
unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes, fsck, fsck, fsck, umount, sleep
It spiraled into a series of other arguments. Notice how the ending issues had nothing to do with cancer.
I still like the PS3 although the 360 is the more midrange solution.
Well, when they basically have the same exact stuff, capacity can become the deciding factor. More companies endorse it. It's already becoming a well-accepted movie format (unlike 360) and is capable of storing a little more than twice the information in one-sixth of the space. The primary issue is that the coating to protect that 1mm layer is more expensive.
Microsoft hardly even endorses their own product. You have to buy an HD-DVD drive for your Xbox 360 and even then, there are not many things to use it for, while the PS3 primarily uses the Blu-ray and pushes the format.
And what is the HD-DVD supposed to have over the Blu-ray?
xbox 360 has the BEST GAMES- Halo, Gears of war, Elder scrolls oblivion, fable and MUCH MUCH MORE!!!!
plus xbox 360 online play is AWEEEESSSSSOOOMMMMMMMMEEEEE ive read that real programmers say ps3 is better graphics on paper but in REALIFE it looks better until someone uses the FULL power of the ps3 then it will only be a lil better plus ps3 is overpriced.
PLUS xbox 360 had the GOTY with elder scrolls and next/this year it will be gears of war.
but lets look at the truth(not the opinion) xbox 360 sold 15 mil.....yes its been out 1 extra year but wanna know something sad? ps3 only sold like 1 min consoles and 1 WEEEEEKKKK after it came out i saw 2 consoles in the store!!!! thats bad it should be sold out! but whatever!
ill be expecting the ps3 fanboys soon!
Vote:
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17929
That's changing as it becomes a more popular format for multimedia. And if by players, you mean codecs, then you're wrong as hell. Because on that link I offered earlier, they have the same exact codecs.
I'm not very informed on the most specific of technological aspects, but it doesn't take a genius to know that once they begin mass-producing blu-ray diodes, that will greatly decrease the manufacturing costs of at least the Blu-ray players.
Also, with an increase in technology, comes an increase in the need for space to fit that technology into. Even if it's not completely utilized now, it would possibly take over in the future.
Alluding to the automobile market, if gas cars were able to overtake electric cars in the very beginning, despite the fact that they are more inconvenient and more powerful (on top of being more expensive), who's to say that the same thing won't happen with Blu-ray and HD-DVD.