ffs, Bush is the stupidest man i've ever seen on TV (and i've seen quite a few, believe me). Putting him to lead a world power like the US is as dangerous as allowing a 5 year old child play with an AK47. Where was he when there was none to tell him what to do? A person who attacked Iraq and when they asked him why he replied "Saddam tried to kill my father"? Thats just insane. Most people in the US are brainwashed just like that other guy earlier said. And just as he said the way the US act in outer politics (did i say that right?) makes it even more dangerous for the people that live in there. In other words it gives people a motive to attack the US (i wouldnt consider them terrorists tbh if u dont consider the US terrorists for attacking these countries in the first place).
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So what you actually are telling me that you don't mind have a War Lord as president who invades everyone that he sees fit. But a person who made a mistake and put his c*** in the wrong hole is not worth jack shit???
Well, I'd rather have a president that actually retaliates back against our enemies rather than sitting there, only launching a few missiles and quitting - like Clinton.
amen acid. we dont like pussies. clinton was a pussy. now if we remember clinton, he invaded iraq too as well as other countries. and this was because he was pissed off. if you dont believe bush is doing a good job and that the next republican wont either then dont vote for them. you have a voice, use it. there is a system in place that was put there back in 1776 when this country was founded so you cant say that jews control it because they dont.
I agree with getting the assholes that attacked us and "harbored" the enemy. We have to protect our beliefs and way of life. If we show weakness other nations will take advantage of that. The one thing I do not agree with, is spending money on another country when our country has a big debt to pay off and our school system is getting less and less money.
amen acid. we dont like pussies. clinton was a pussy. now if we remember clinton, he invaded iraq too as well as other countries. and this was because he was pissed off. if you dont believe bush is doing a good job and that the next republican wont either then dont vote for them. you have a voice, use it. there is a system in place that was put there back in 1776 when this country was founded so you cant say that jews control it because they dont.
Well Carlo. If my memory is correct I think it actually was George W Bush's father (George Bush) that invaded Iraq the last time. (I might be wrong tho, so don't shoot me.) Well not exactly, he defended Kuwait from the Iraq invasion. And they never invaded Iraq, just pushed them back to a safe distance. And remember that the first time they fought the Iraq's they had masive support from NATO. The last time they hardly got any support at all.
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Well, I'd rather have a president that actually retaliates back against our enemies rather than sitting there, only launching a few missiles and quitting - like Clinton.
The funny thing with this is that US fights against the same people and regimes that they supplied weapons to when the cold war was at it's worst.
So bottomline, I understand why anyone would retaliate on an attack like 9/11. But I think the US government was a little bit too hasty about pointing fingers and attack other contries. They still havn't shown any proff that Iraq had weapons of massdestruction. And they seem to lack the ability to understand that many of todays war or terrorist attacks is not about weapons or economy but instead religious beliefs. If you take a look back in history you would be amazed how many wars or invasions have started from religous beliefs.
There will always be a******* in the world, and thats a fact. Question is how we deal with them. Should we shoot them because they don't believe in the same things that we do? And don't act like we want them too? Is that the solution? Should we all believe in the same things? Eat the same food? And like the same girls/boys? Drive the same cars? The list goes on and on. People needs to take a step back and try to remember back in history. WW2, is that what we want all over again, but this time in a bigger scale? My guess would be NO.
Biggest problem today is that people don't understand other people, or simply don't want to understand other people. Religous belief or not. They are all so caught up in the idea that they are the ones that have all the answers, and can't see things from the other side anymore. We all need to start axcepting that other people, contries and religions are different, and think/act different. So we need to start showing that we do care about the world and the people living on it. And stop putting weapons in their faces as soon as they act different from what we think should be right. And that my fellow Diablo friends is my opinion on the subject.
The funny thing with this is that US fights against the same people and regimes that they supplied weapons to when the cold war was at it's worst.
So bottomline, I understand why anyone would retaliate on an attack like 9/11. But I think the US government was a little bit too hasty about pointing fingers and attack other contries. They still havn't shown any proff that Iraq had weapons of massdestruction. And they seem to lack the ability to understand that many of todays war or terrorist attacks is not about weapons or economy but instead religious beliefs. If you take a look back in history you would be amazed how many wars or invasions have started from religous beliefs.
There will always be a******* in the world, and thats a fact. Question is how we deal with them. Should we shoot them because they don't believe in the same things that we do? And don't act like we want them too? Is that the solution? Should we all believe in the same things? Eat the same food? And like the same girls/boys? Drive the same cars? The list goes on and on. People needs to take a step back and try to remember back in history. WW2, is that what we want all over again, but this time in a bigger scale? My guess would be NO.
Biggest problem today is that people don't understand other people, or simply don't want to understand other people. Religous belief or not. They are all so caught up in the idea that they are the ones that have all the answers, and can't see things from the other side anymore. We all need to start axcepting that other people, contries and religions are different, and think/act different. So we need to start showing that we do care about the world and the people living on it. And stop putting weapons in their faces as soon as they act different from what we think should be right. And that my fellow Diablo friends is my opinion on the subject.
Damn this got a lot longer than expected.
well i agree with you. however if we would have been too hasty with pointing fingers then there wouldnt be any arabs or muslims here. other countries round them all up and kill them. thats what terrorists do, only they videotape the captive being beheaded savagely.
i agree with you that there will be always be evil. and we must know how to handle it. and that people will always disagree with others. a good example of disagreement is this. i disagree that we should open our arms and embrace them. simply because they like to put explosive vests on and run to us. how can you logically convince or make peace with someone that will blow himself up?? these people hate us, our culture, our success. they have started a religious war, radical muslims against everyone else.
you mentioned WW2. in WW2 hitler wanted an aryan race. so he basically made temporary allies with japs and russians for that little bit. in the end he wanted to stab them all in the back. why did we shoot them and use our guns and stuff?? because he wanted to cleanse the land and human race of all impurities. because he was killing millions of people whether they were jews or not. see the similarities?? Bin Laden also wants to cleanse the land of all else but radical muslims. he wants to kill millions of people. only thing different here is that they are waging a psycological (forgive me for that spelling) warfare. this time they are strategically attacking us at big places for the citizens to loose moral.
if we retreat and give up we loose. not just this war on terrorism but forever. no one else will stand up but the US and israel. israel is the first to go should they win. the UN is an organization of weaklings. they wont stand up either. if the US does not answer this threat we will not answer later. this is why we went into iraq. to plant the seeds of democracy and remove a very oppressive government. iraq was the big boy on the block in the middle east. what happens when it starts to thrive and people there are happier and safer and richer?? if you are starving and you see that the person next to you is offering a solution what do you do?? you take it, or at least try it. that is what is happening with iran. they are seeing iraq getting better than it was and are starting to see that they dont have to put up with their government.
the founding fathers believed in individual rights. rights a person had that no one could take away. they believed it was the responsibility of a government to protect those rights. when the government didnt meet those responsibilities it was the right of its people to remove it and establish a new government that would work. we are simply trying to expand this ideal. all people have a right to freedom. even those in other countries.
my opinion is that we are sticking guns in the face of terror. where do you all get your information?? cnn?? the local news?? well to let you know, they just tell you the bad stuff. they are all leaning towards the leftists. they dont like the war. so they tell you all the bad stuff to get you to not like the war as well. they never talk about the people we save everyday. they never mention the good we do there.
that my diablo freinds is my report of facts, not just my opinions.
what most people in the US dont understand is that their government gives whoever a reason to put an explosive vest and blow up. You people dont know that the US sponsored and sold weapons to both Iraq and Kuweit during that war? U dont know that they supported Saddam at that time?
Didnt u know how the US government strengthened the Taliban when they caused trouble to the USSR? Jesus, what do u know, people? How misled can u be?
In the WW II Germany was the main evil, but who doesnt remember that the United States only joined the war after the Japs attack on Pearl Harbor? U didnt fight for the world, u fought for urselves. And the world nowadays only gets messed up by the way the US act. There's no peace in Iraq after the invasion (cause it was an invasion). Only another civil war. There was no attack from Saddam. He only tried to financially strengthen his country (by selling oil to europeans in euro instead in US dollars, thats why Bush rushed to set his target to Iraq). Now he wants Syria and Iran too. Thats how u defend urselves? destroy anyone that might evolve to something good? Thats just weak.
And if Bin Laden caused such a threat to mankind then the CIA shouldnt train and arm him against the USSR when they did. Oh, one more thing: Did u know that the ones that had most profit of the 9/11 and the invasion to Iraq were family Bin Laden and family Bush? And Bin Laden is still free and alive, willing to give a reason to the US to attack more countries. How convinient, isnt it?
About Israel now, i understand they had a reason to defend themselves, but the massacre of the children and the other people that werent in Hizbolah made them loose that right. They really managed to make everyone accept Hizbolah as the Lebanese Rebel Army. I dont want anyone to live in fear. The Israeli do that. But the Lebanese too, cause of the frequent bombings to the southern borders... And a war isnt the way to make peace. think of that.
the founding fathers believed in individual rights. rights a person had that no one could take away. they believed it was the responsibility of a government to protect those rights. when the government didnt meet those responsibilities it was the right of its people to remove it and establish a new government that would work. we are simply trying to expand this ideal. all people have a right to freedom. even those in other countries.
The current US government doesnt protect the individual rights of anyone. Not even the citizens of ur own country. Especially not the rights of others. Invasions and bombings for oil, financial reasons and to test new weapons (see Yugoslavia). U cant persuade anyone with this.
my opinion is that we are sticking guns in the face of terror. where do you all get your information?? cnn?? the local news?? well to let you know, they just tell you the bad stuff. they are all leaning towards the leftists. they dont like the war. so they tell you all the bad stuff to get you to not like the war as well. they never talk about the people we save everyday. they never mention the good we do there.
In my opinion ur more of a terrorist than these guys. These countries that actually train these guys (the ones not trained by the US at least). If u were a citizen of these countries wouldnt u want to retaliate from the countless attacks to your and your fellow countries? (Arabs, Vietnamese etc). Try to be reasonable, and not just run to shoot someone that has nothing to do with it. Try to look from the point of view of another to get it right. I'm neutral, i've seen both sides. I can hardly believe how people in the US think and let a retard like Bush lead them.
fingolfinGR i respect your right to say this but your full of crap. do you honestly believe what your saying?? your saying the US government is all powerful. well, its not. we choose who to elect. i personally feel that we need another civil war right about now. that way we can kick out all anti-americans and all those who are too weak to stand up for what they believe. i dont agree 100% on the stuff our leaders are doing but i do know that people elected them, they didnt force their way up there. if they did we wouldnt have them there because we would probably revolt.
now i do understand both sides. for example: im hispanic and i get a front row seat on the immigration issue. i have family that wants to come here. my dad came in illegally. that does not justify anything and i still say its wrong. reason is that it was illegal. my dad is legal and has been for about 18 years now and he also believes its wrong to cross over illegally. however we do understand the circumstances and do know why they must do so.
i know the whole situation in the middle east. we gave bin laden weapons so that afganistan (sorry if i spelled it wrong) could fight back against the russians. we did wrong. so what?? that does not mean a thing now because we are trying to fix it.
you called me a terrorist. you are wrong. how can i be a terrorist if i dont terrorize anyone?? im not taking over a plane and ramming it into a big building in hopes that it collapses and kills thousands in and around it. if you were to go to iraq when we took down saddam you would see people crying of joy, hugging soldiers, willing to do what it took to pay back america for what we have done. we did good and continue to do good. i think you are just looking at what the media is telling you. too much i have heard the gloom and doom from the left. "we are killers" "temperatures continue to rise, if you dont limit your fuel consumption you are killing your planet" crap like that. why arent people given the chance to tell the world the good things that are resulting from our actions in iraq?? they had elections there. hundreds got in lines to make their first vote, to speak out for the first time how they wanted to run things.
you better also restate your comments on oil. i will tell you that we have not been getting any more oil from the middle east than we were before the war. the reason its so high is because of china. china is growing, and growing countries need their vitamins and minerals. (pardon the pun on minerals)
the us did join only after the japs attacked, your right. BUT, we needed an excuse to join. we wanted to join. but how else can you join the fight if no one has attacked you?? you can't in good reason just join a conflict if no harm has been done to you.
you underestimate me. i know about all our dealings there. i am the exeption however. most of my country doesnt know, or is misled. but its all the left. i am conservative.
i would like to make a last comment in this post. i think that the world does not understand the gravity of the situation. people like you rally on the terrorists side. we dont need more evil. we dont need more genocide. as far as i can tell the US is far from that. the terrorists are aiming for that. the kill everyone that is not of their views. we at least respect difference. what we cant stand around and try to negotiate about however is the potential harm of our country. the terrorists attack us, we attack them. that is all the simplicity i need. why should we hold back when they are trying to blow us all up??
ok. i have had my views. you all know how i would solve the problem. no more arguing. i would just like to know what your solution to this problem is. tell us your solution and your reasoning behind it. dont post stupid comments. this is the time for honest, true, and intelligent debate.
you (by this i mean and ment the whole nation) only know what they let you know. We're outside we're more informed. How can u talk about genocide when its mostly non-military people that get hit by bombs in countries u dont have any right to invade to? I'm not with the people that crashed the airplains in these buildings (it was US governments work to train them anyways) but i'm not with the US either. I'm with the ones that get slaughtered, no matter who it is (Lebanese, Iraqi, Israeli, Yugoslavian or even Vietnamese at some point). Its all political play and invasions. If u really know whats going on and still believe what ur saying then i'm just sad for you. Saying ur all about whats right and doing everything against that. I cant see any logic or sanity about that or the warhunger ur president is up for (tbh i dont really believe he was fairly elected both times).
try to think about everything from the other side. that way u'll be able to see urself clearer. It might help u to get a better person and fix some things in you that are most likely wrong.
Well, I'd rather have a president that actually retaliates back against our enemies rather than sitting there, only launching a few missiles and quitting - like Clinton.
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Well Carlo. If my memory is correct I think it actually was George W Bush's father (George Bush) that invaded Iraq the last time. (I might be wrong tho, so don't shoot me.) Well not exactly, he defended Kuwait from the Iraq invasion. And they never invaded Iraq, just pushed them back to a safe distance. And remember that the first time they fought the Iraq's they had masive support from NATO. The last time they hardly got any support at all.
The funny thing with this is that US fights against the same people and regimes that they supplied weapons to when the cold war was at it's worst.
So bottomline, I understand why anyone would retaliate on an attack like 9/11. But I think the US government was a little bit too hasty about pointing fingers and attack other contries. They still havn't shown any proff that Iraq had weapons of massdestruction. And they seem to lack the ability to understand that many of todays war or terrorist attacks is not about weapons or economy but instead religious beliefs. If you take a look back in history you would be amazed how many wars or invasions have started from religous beliefs.
There will always be a******* in the world, and thats a fact. Question is how we deal with them. Should we shoot them because they don't believe in the same things that we do? And don't act like we want them too? Is that the solution? Should we all believe in the same things? Eat the same food? And like the same girls/boys? Drive the same cars? The list goes on and on. People needs to take a step back and try to remember back in history. WW2, is that what we want all over again, but this time in a bigger scale? My guess would be NO.
Biggest problem today is that people don't understand other people, or simply don't want to understand other people. Religous belief or not. They are all so caught up in the idea that they are the ones that have all the answers, and can't see things from the other side anymore. We all need to start axcepting that other people, contries and religions are different, and think/act different. So we need to start showing that we do care about the world and the people living on it. And stop putting weapons in their faces as soon as they act different from what we think should be right. And that my fellow Diablo friends is my opinion on the subject.
Damn this got a lot longer than expected.
well i agree with you. however if we would have been too hasty with pointing fingers then there wouldnt be any arabs or muslims here. other countries round them all up and kill them. thats what terrorists do, only they videotape the captive being beheaded savagely.
i agree with you that there will be always be evil. and we must know how to handle it. and that people will always disagree with others. a good example of disagreement is this. i disagree that we should open our arms and embrace them. simply because they like to put explosive vests on and run to us. how can you logically convince or make peace with someone that will blow himself up?? these people hate us, our culture, our success. they have started a religious war, radical muslims against everyone else.
you mentioned WW2. in WW2 hitler wanted an aryan race. so he basically made temporary allies with japs and russians for that little bit. in the end he wanted to stab them all in the back. why did we shoot them and use our guns and stuff?? because he wanted to cleanse the land and human race of all impurities. because he was killing millions of people whether they were jews or not. see the similarities?? Bin Laden also wants to cleanse the land of all else but radical muslims. he wants to kill millions of people. only thing different here is that they are waging a psycological (forgive me for that spelling) warfare. this time they are strategically attacking us at big places for the citizens to loose moral.
if we retreat and give up we loose. not just this war on terrorism but forever. no one else will stand up but the US and israel. israel is the first to go should they win. the UN is an organization of weaklings. they wont stand up either. if the US does not answer this threat we will not answer later. this is why we went into iraq. to plant the seeds of democracy and remove a very oppressive government. iraq was the big boy on the block in the middle east. what happens when it starts to thrive and people there are happier and safer and richer?? if you are starving and you see that the person next to you is offering a solution what do you do?? you take it, or at least try it. that is what is happening with iran. they are seeing iraq getting better than it was and are starting to see that they dont have to put up with their government.
the founding fathers believed in individual rights. rights a person had that no one could take away. they believed it was the responsibility of a government to protect those rights. when the government didnt meet those responsibilities it was the right of its people to remove it and establish a new government that would work. we are simply trying to expand this ideal. all people have a right to freedom. even those in other countries.
my opinion is that we are sticking guns in the face of terror. where do you all get your information?? cnn?? the local news?? well to let you know, they just tell you the bad stuff. they are all leaning towards the leftists. they dont like the war. so they tell you all the bad stuff to get you to not like the war as well. they never talk about the people we save everyday. they never mention the good we do there.
that my diablo freinds is my report of facts, not just my opinions.
Didnt u know how the US government strengthened the Taliban when they caused trouble to the USSR? Jesus, what do u know, people? How misled can u be?
In the WW II Germany was the main evil, but who doesnt remember that the United States only joined the war after the Japs attack on Pearl Harbor? U didnt fight for the world, u fought for urselves. And the world nowadays only gets messed up by the way the US act. There's no peace in Iraq after the invasion (cause it was an invasion). Only another civil war. There was no attack from Saddam. He only tried to financially strengthen his country (by selling oil to europeans in euro instead in US dollars, thats why Bush rushed to set his target to Iraq). Now he wants Syria and Iran too. Thats how u defend urselves? destroy anyone that might evolve to something good? Thats just weak.
And if Bin Laden caused such a threat to mankind then the CIA shouldnt train and arm him against the USSR when they did. Oh, one more thing: Did u know that the ones that had most profit of the 9/11 and the invasion to Iraq were family Bin Laden and family Bush? And Bin Laden is still free and alive, willing to give a reason to the US to attack more countries. How convinient, isnt it?
About Israel now, i understand they had a reason to defend themselves, but the massacre of the children and the other people that werent in Hizbolah made them loose that right. They really managed to make everyone accept Hizbolah as the Lebanese Rebel Army. I dont want anyone to live in fear. The Israeli do that. But the Lebanese too, cause of the frequent bombings to the southern borders... And a war isnt the way to make peace. think of that.
The current US government doesnt protect the individual rights of anyone. Not even the citizens of ur own country. Especially not the rights of others. Invasions and bombings for oil, financial reasons and to test new weapons (see Yugoslavia). U cant persuade anyone with this.
In my opinion ur more of a terrorist than these guys. These countries that actually train these guys (the ones not trained by the US at least). If u were a citizen of these countries wouldnt u want to retaliate from the countless attacks to your and your fellow countries? (Arabs, Vietnamese etc). Try to be reasonable, and not just run to shoot someone that has nothing to do with it. Try to look from the point of view of another to get it right. I'm neutral, i've seen both sides. I can hardly believe how people in the US think and let a retard like Bush lead them.
now i do understand both sides. for example: im hispanic and i get a front row seat on the immigration issue. i have family that wants to come here. my dad came in illegally. that does not justify anything and i still say its wrong. reason is that it was illegal. my dad is legal and has been for about 18 years now and he also believes its wrong to cross over illegally. however we do understand the circumstances and do know why they must do so.
i know the whole situation in the middle east. we gave bin laden weapons so that afganistan (sorry if i spelled it wrong) could fight back against the russians. we did wrong. so what?? that does not mean a thing now because we are trying to fix it.
you called me a terrorist. you are wrong. how can i be a terrorist if i dont terrorize anyone?? im not taking over a plane and ramming it into a big building in hopes that it collapses and kills thousands in and around it. if you were to go to iraq when we took down saddam you would see people crying of joy, hugging soldiers, willing to do what it took to pay back america for what we have done. we did good and continue to do good. i think you are just looking at what the media is telling you. too much i have heard the gloom and doom from the left. "we are killers" "temperatures continue to rise, if you dont limit your fuel consumption you are killing your planet" crap like that. why arent people given the chance to tell the world the good things that are resulting from our actions in iraq?? they had elections there. hundreds got in lines to make their first vote, to speak out for the first time how they wanted to run things.
you better also restate your comments on oil. i will tell you that we have not been getting any more oil from the middle east than we were before the war. the reason its so high is because of china. china is growing, and growing countries need their vitamins and minerals. (pardon the pun on minerals)
the us did join only after the japs attacked, your right. BUT, we needed an excuse to join. we wanted to join. but how else can you join the fight if no one has attacked you?? you can't in good reason just join a conflict if no harm has been done to you.
you underestimate me. i know about all our dealings there. i am the exeption however. most of my country doesnt know, or is misled. but its all the left. i am conservative.
i would like to make a last comment in this post. i think that the world does not understand the gravity of the situation. people like you rally on the terrorists side. we dont need more evil. we dont need more genocide. as far as i can tell the US is far from that. the terrorists are aiming for that. the kill everyone that is not of their views. we at least respect difference. what we cant stand around and try to negotiate about however is the potential harm of our country. the terrorists attack us, we attack them. that is all the simplicity i need. why should we hold back when they are trying to blow us all up??
ok. i have had my views. you all know how i would solve the problem. no more arguing. i would just like to know what your solution to this problem is. tell us your solution and your reasoning behind it. dont post stupid comments. this is the time for honest, true, and intelligent debate.
but seriously i may not like the war but i will support our troops no matter what, they have the guts to fight wars to protect our freedom
try to think about everything from the other side. that way u'll be able to see urself clearer. It might help u to get a better person and fix some things in you that are most likely wrong.
from all ive heard i dont wana be american ether
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