I'm sad? You're a goof ball pal, and if you wanna take this outside, I'm game.
No in all seriousness, I don't give a damn about some pre-canned HR Q/A quote. We all know what's going to happen. I want to be competitive in this game, and in order to do so, It's extremely likely I will be forced to use the RMAH.
That idiot quote you just gave me does nothing. I don't want to play the game that way, it will (most likely) not be viable for someone who wants to be competitive.
Goof Ball? Is that derogatory term or comical? Take this outside.....? What? Man I see why you can't understand
even a simple system as this. Not only you get so heated in a virtual debate, I bet you must rage at home if you
lose a PvP duel in this case. I'm starting to understand where your coming from, though no matter how I try to relate I can't seem too. heh
Sorry man, I'm just a casual player, never spent a dime on a game more than it's original value. And yes I used to be competitive in D2 in my young age, even when every other guy was buying hacked/legit items off various companies.
Nop, never cared about it, and I still don't care if people will be buying in D3. Cause I know I wont. In my opinion, if the normal AH works, good, if both work, even better. If not too bad, cause I'm going to be enjoying the game nonetheless and I can promise that it won't change nothing in my monster killing and loot reaping. Neither will it to yours unless you chose to let it to by crying for nothing as your doing.
And by the way, get through puberty and mature man, stop with the name calling and the virtual threats. lol It's good comical relief though. Then they wonder why it's hard for Blizzard to take these forums seriously... heh childish name calling in same posts containing economical assumptions.
PS: STOP REQUOTING THE WHOLE FREAKING OP, OR HUGE ASS QUOTES. waste of freaking space. lol
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I would have been fine, ecstatic, if it were just a normal in-game gold based AH. But like the OP said, Blizzard "legalizing" the ability to spend cash for items... that's a deal breaker. Sorry, but I just may not play the game for this very one reason. QQ and tell me to get over it, I don't care. You are the ones that will end up spending money on virtual items, and I'll be the one LOL'ing at you in the end.
I'm personally bothered about it more because it is literally, an "automatic money printing machine". (innacurate quote from TotalBiscuit).
RMAH (or even in game gold AH) won't print $ for customers at all. Yes, some will make money and others will spend, but if nobody's putting money into the system then nothing is coming out of it. In fact, money coming out of the system to the end consumer (the player) will always be less than what's being put into it. I believe that the only thing creating more money in this world is debt, but that's totally out of scope here.
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Great article Phrozen, you really summed it up with all aspects into account objectively.
Oh WAKE UP buddy. All the best items are going to gravitate almost immediately to the RMAH, for reasons that have been stated ad nauseum. So if I want to be competitive in this game, and I do, I will be forced to use the RMAH if that's where all the highest quality gear resides.
Probably if there is the same demand in both markets, what you said is true.
But if, for example, a legendary doesn't exists in the gold AH, is better to sell it for 5000 gold without competition, than undercut a 100$ legendary in the real-money AH, if the gold/$ exchange is better than 50 gold/$, and then sell the gold in the real-money AH.
The arbitrage will keep both markets balanced, maybe not everyone will do that, but a few intelligent people can balance the markets while making a big profit in the way, so...
Good point! That's a really compelling argument, and it's one that has me thinking a lot. I really hope it works out that way, and if this system plays out, I will be happy to eat my words. I have doubts, but the "we don't know how it's going to play out" door swings both ways.
Goof Ball? Is that derogatory term or comical? Take this outside.....? What? Man I see why you can't understand
even a simple system as this. Not only you get so heated in a virtual debate, I bet you must rage at home if you
lose a PvP duel in this case. I'm starting to understand where your coming from, though no matter how I try to relate I can't seem too. heh
You immediately have started personally attacking everyone on here of a dissenting opinion. This debate was much better until you unfortunately starting throwing your personally directed vitriol around. If you have anything else to say to me, please do it in PM so we can keep this discussion on track.
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"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions."
-Thomas Jefferson
Completely agree with your point here, but I just have to point out that markets don't always act rationally (in the large scale). I think what they are trying to do is give Gold in D3 more intrinsic value by pairing it with USD/EURO. I wonder what the effect of a fixed rate would have. Like many currencies in developing nations do in order to create stability.
The real world is much more complex than simple markets like D3 will have. Most of the reasons that cause turmoil in the real world don't exist (at least in the same degree) in Diablo 3.
Large scale irrationality has it's roots mainly in (not exclusive reasons, but major culprits):
Imperfect information (that created the subprime mortgage crisis -- no-one was aware of the large scale ramifications of micro phenomena such as subprime mortgages).
The so called "Black Swans" (as coined by Nassim Nicholas Taleb). That is, events that are inherently unpredictable, but have serious ramifications. This is things like 9/11 (no-one sane expected it to happen), the Internet (how it changed the world), etc. etc.
Regulators creating havoc -- often with good intentions -- with bad laws or bad actions, that go wrong mostly because of wrongly predicted reactions.
Information in D3 will be near-perfect (you see all of the stats of the item, its price, and the price of other similar items, etc.) so that won't be an issue. Then it'll be all about making sure nothing crazy can happen and that Blizzard won't screw it up.
These all have effects on the D3 economy if RL money is tied to in game currency. Although it will not have a direct impact because things are more simple. There are no stocks or securities or security derivatives or leverage. But that does not exclude irrationality in the market place nor does it make a basic/simple market. When you tie something that exists in a virtual world to something so important in the Real World it has complex repercussions and a rational market place is hard to consider. Especially when it is so tied down to not just profiteering but the addiction of gaming. Utility is completely warped for the individual. Large groups of players may not be concerned with wether it is "worth it" or whether "it makes them a profit". We understand a basic market function because we make the assumption that the individual will act rationally because the medium of exchange has value, in D3 you have both a currency that has a Real World identity and now an in game identity. I don't see how it is going to be a simple market.
Some very good economic explanations and clearing up of known misconceptions. It's a shame the article was also tainted by biased apology for Blizzard as well. A purely factual article would've been a much nicer thing to point people towards.
Goof Ball? Is that derogatory term or comical? Take this outside.....? What? Man I see why you can't understand
even a simple system as this. Not only you get so heated in a virtual debate, I bet you must rage at home if you
lose a PvP duel in this case. I'm starting to understand where your coming from, though no matter how I try to relate I can't seem too. heh
You immediately have started personally attacking everyone on here of a dissenting opinion. This debate was much better until you unfortunately starting throwing your personally directed vitriol around. If you have anything else to say to me, please do it in PM so we can keep this discussion on track.
If I had attacked anyone on this forum I would of been moderated. I didn't attack anyone. I simply gave you exactly what youa sked for in your initial post. A reason why it wont affect your monster killing. The only one attacking anything is you and your childish insults. I gave official quotes that you called "Stupid quotes". I supported the OP stating clear reasons as why there is no drawback of this system without going into pointless real world economical debates. Yet you still have nothing but accusations of what to spit at me. This is a debate. I gave my opinion and backed it up. You did nothing but say I was wrong without any proof. Good night my friend, you just lost the debate.
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I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
We can all be as certain as we like, that our particular perspective or view of economics is the correct way which the d3 cash AH will perform. Perhaps the details of the debate is not as important as how long the debate lasts. In the end, Blizzard must bend to the popular opinion if they want to make a successful game. So all of these predictions and applications of real world econ is a bit silly, since none of us are smart enough to predict how it will end up behaving in-game.
For some people it is as simple as, introducing a system which encourages using real money inside of a game is enough to dirty the sanctity of what it is to play a game to begin with. Are these people (myself included) wrong? No, so you can't tell them they are wrong by flexing your econ 101 muscles and telling them what idiots they are. On the flip side, the people who are in full support of the cash AH have every right to be. I just don't see how those people can be so confident in the success of a system which is still months from even having a chance to prove itself. Some of those in favor of the cash AH wisely recognize that the system is not guaranteed to work. However, many of these people go on to debate the subject as if there was no chance of failure/imbalance.
For some, the relative success of the cash AH is irrelevant. It is fairly hard to argue that we will be able to play the game using the gold AH exclusively and not gimp ourselves. I think we can all agree that we are more likely to see the best items, and more of them in the cash AH. This makes the people who prefer to "keep a game a game", feel pretty betrayed.
It is easy for some to blur the lines and abstract the concept of spending gold vs real cash, but for others, it is impossible for us to simply convert gold to real money to items without feeling as though the entire experience has been cheapened.
Bottom line, I say fight on for your own view no matter which side of the fence you are on. It is all we can do at this point, and it is the only way we can influence Blizzard to remove/keep/change the cash AH.
We can all be as certain as we like, that our particular perspective or view of economics is the correct way which the d3 cash AH will perform. Perhaps the details of the debate is not as important as how long the debate lasts. In the end, Blizzard must bend to the popular opinion if they want to make a successful game. So all of these predictions and applications of real world econ is a bit silly, since none of us are smart enough to predict how it will end up behaving in-game.
For some people it is as simple as, introducing a system which encourages using real money inside of a game is enough to dirty the sanctity of what it is to play a game to begin with. Are these people (myself included) wrong? No, so you can't tell them they are wrong by flexing your econ 101 muscles and telling them what idiots they are. On the flip side, the people who are in full support of the cash AH have every right to be. I just don't see how those people can be so confident in the success of a system which is still months from even having a chance to prove itself. Some of those in favor of the cash AH wisely recognize that the system is not guaranteed to work. However, many of these people go on to debate the subject as if there was no chance of failure/imbalance.
For some, the relative success of the cash AH is irrelevant. It is fairly hard to argue that we will be able to play the game using the gold AH exclusively and not gimp ourselves. I think we can all agree that we are more likely to see the best items, and more of them in the cash AH. This makes the people who prefer to "keep a game a game", feel pretty betrayed.
It is easy for some to blur the lines and abstract the concept of spending gold vs real cash, but for others, it is impossible for us to simply convert gold to real money to items without feeling as though the entire experience has been cheapened.
Bottom line, I say fight on for your own view no matter which side of the fence you are on. It is all we can do at this point, and it is the only way we can influence Blizzard to remove/keep/change the cash AH.
Absolutely, I kind of don't want it in the game but I really want to see how it will unfold/work out. I don't think it has ever been done before aside from Micro-payment game systems (which is slightly different, lets not go there). I will be extremely surprised/impressed if it works out nicely.
So all of these predictions and applications of real world econ is a bit silly, since none of us are smart enough to predict how it will end up behaving in-game.
Bottom line, I say fight on for your own view no matter which side of the fence you are on. It is all we can do at this point, and it is the only way we can influence Blizzard to remove/keep/change the cash AH.
I agree wholeheartedly. But only when you know and understand fully what you are debating about. In this case we don't, so as most people with reason have said already on this forum. Lets not condemn or overpraise this system until we know how it will end up working in real life. Lets just accept the fact that it is here and maybe give a few good constructive criticism about it withouth going "OH MY GOD IM NOT BUYING THIS GAME" "SO UNPURE!!!" That's just insulting to both the folks at Blizzard who put in hard work to designing things and the folks who are curious about it and want to see for themselves the value of this system.
Many good people on these forums are excited that there are new grund breaking ideas beign developped for the game we all love instead of a total repeat/rince with better graphics. This AH system will do exactly what it says it will do or be changed. If it doesn't provide any adequate trading solutions without having to spend real money do you really beliieve that Blizzard won't go about fixing it... Cmon guys get real.
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That's just insulting to both the folks at Blizzard who put in hard work to designing things and the folks who are curious about it and want to see for themselves the value of this system.
And maybe that is what some people want. Its insulting to me that they think I would accept such a money grabbing move that -will- negatively impact pure gold users, and will transform a lot of the feel of this game into a job.
Maybe some people are just worried about the impact on the game and its true that its impossible to know exactly how it'll turn out, but I know that as they juts built a money printing machine for themselves out of things that were illegal and wrong, I WANT them to feel insulted, because I am.
That's just insulting to both the folks at Blizzard who put in hard work to designing things and the folks who are curious about it and want to see for themselves the value of this system.
Its insulting to me that they think I would accept such a money grabbing move that -will- negatively impact pure gold users, and will transform a lot of the feel of this game into a job.
Maybe some people are just worried about the impact on the game and its true that its impossible to know exactly how it'll turn out,
Jake I'm sorry to say but your post is completely contradictory. You state the obvious truth that we cannot know the outcome of this complex system. But in the following sentence claim matter of factly -will- of a negative impact on the gold users without knowing in certainty the outcome once again. How are we supposed to take this with any seriousness?
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----------Brought to you by Diablofans.com Forums -------- Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
Just to make it clear: There have been quite a number of things announced I don't like and the RM AH was just the icing on the cake but all put together it's enough for me to say goodbye to D3.
Your post would have been fine without the iconic " I HATE BLIZZARD OFREVER AND I QUIT D3" fit.
Seriously does this argument even work, is it like the final weapon against Blizzard. The threat of quitting.
Does it bring any good arguments to the table? I swear if I was a mod I'd delete every single I QUIT D3 post on the
freaking forums. Not only are they mostly BS, but even if they werent, your posting that your quitting unless Blizzard changes this to fit your view? huh what?
Maann if your successful, I might try it out too.Il have this argument where I push to have D3 given for free in the masses. Then I'll post that if it dont happen I'll quit D3. See if i get lucky too. Maybe they'll take me seriously
I left a year ago cuase the forums were filled with
I hate this and I'm leaving Diablo3
by alot of folks who stragely are still here today, lol a year later. Then on my first day, return to the forums I get another thread filled with I QUIT posts again. Time changes, but people dont.
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I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
First of all I've never said I hate Blizzard, secondly I can't quit D3 cause it's not here yet and most certainly I have told you why I've decided to not buy D3 and this is not a decision "until they change it to my way".
They won't and I'm fine with that, this just won't be a game for me anymore.
You can read my post again for the reasons and stop putting words into my mouth, thank you.
Oh I do apologize for using the wrong term, I should of said. OH I SO DISAGREE WITH BLIZZARD THAT I WONT BUY THEIR GAME! instead. It sounds much more diplomatic. But since your so diplomatic yourself, why don't you wait until youve tried these so horrible changes yourself before burning it at the stake. Youve already waited 3 years for this game and it's the most anticipated game of the year. Not like it's not worth your little 60$ purchase. And even though they made an evil RMAH system you wont even be obliged to pay for it. Win Win situation for you.
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I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
The first thing that comes to my mind, is if you can sell items for ecurrency, or money, but can't convert ecurrency into money is what is to stop people from setting up multiple accounts, one of them stocking up ecurrency, and then buying their own items on the other account with it set up to be cash instead of ecurrency?
Seems like a pretty easy way to get your eccurency out of into your bank account.
The first thing that comes to my mind, is if you can sell items for ecurrency, or money, but can't convert ecurrency into money is what is to stop people from setting up multiple accounts, one of them stocking up ecurrency, and then buying their own items on the other account with it set up to be cash instead of ecurrency?
Seems like a pretty easy way to get your eccurency out of into your bank account.
Who said you cant convert. They said players WILL BE ABLE to sell their currency (gold) in RMAH. But the money they put into their Blizzard Purchase Account is non refundable. Only can beused to buy Blizzard products or ingame items.
So if you do stock up gold on your char you can still sell it for real money.
I strongly suggest you guys re-read the Official QnA from Blizzard on the home page
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----------Brought to you by Diablofans.com Forums -------- Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
Jake I'm sorry to say but your post is completely contradictory. You state the obvious truth that we cannot know the outcome of this complex system. But in the following sentence claim matter of factly -will- of a negative impact on the gold users without knowing in certainty the outcome once again. How are we supposed to take this with any seriousness?
Maybe -will- is too strong since it sounds factual.
I am totally convinced, instead.
I am totally convinced that it will have a negative impact, because I have seen no instance of such things having an overall positive impact on the game.
It might not be so, but the chances of that are I believe, infinitely small.
The first thing that comes to my mind, is if you can sell items for ecurrency, or money, but can't convert ecurrency into money is what is to stop people from setting up multiple accounts, one of them stocking up ecurrency, and then buying their own items on the other account with it set up to be cash instead of ecurrency?
Seems like a pretty easy way to get your eccurency out of into your bank account.
Who said you cant convert. They said players WILL BE ABLE to sell their currency (gold) in RMAH. But the money they put into their Blizzard Purchase Account is non refundable. Only can beused to buy Blizzard products or ingame items.
So if you do stock up gold on your char you can still sell it for real money.
I strongly suggest you guys re-read the Official QnA from Blizzard on the home page
By default, money that people buy items for will be added to the sellers e-balance (or gold total, if they sell in gold). However, it will also be possible to set up your account so that it will be added your credit card. This will require adding a third party payment service to the account to handle the actual transaction. Blizzard is currently negotiating with potential companies at this point in regards to who will handle this service, so at this point we don't know who it will be or in what regions they will operate. However, it will be possible to make money selling items in Diablo III. What will not be possible, however, is to convert your e-balance back into cash. So if you sell an item and haven't set up your account to give you cash, it will increase your e-balance instead. That e-balance cannot later be withdrawn as cash, but it can be used to buy other items and anything in the Blizzard store, including games and WoW subscription time.
Doesn't this nicely written article with the bolded sentence say that it can't be converted back to real cash? Why should I go back and reread it? I think you just misunderstood my post and/or just pointed out another flaw to get around not being able to directly convert your e-balance into cash. I said set up multiple accounts and buy your other account's money, you said buy and resell gold for real money. Similar ideas, but both basically point out the flaw in not allowing you to withdraw e-balance.
The example you make with the 10 axes is math wise wrong! sorry to say, but when you say that the axes for gold costs 2000g and the others 20$: 1$=100 gold. at that point you wont get a "benefit" out of buying the axes for 2000g and sell them for 19$. and 19$ is the same as 1900g in your exaple
But i think the RM AH is a good idea; also for supporting the game money wise.. in the end it will be 3rd person creditor and blizz who makes money.
and all the real money in D3 will come from us 100% cuz if someone sets up a sale on a axe, someone at first hand will have to use money from their own wallet...
The math is correct as he goes to say that 200g = 1$, You are just reading it wrong. You go with huge profit from it. That's why you look for the gold per dollar thing so you can check what is most profit from and then buy out all the cheap stuff. The axe for gold is ~50% cheaper then for real money in the example.
I find "Uber Unique Axe Of Rareness". I'm a Demon Hunter. I see it's selling for $5. I put it up for $2. It sells quickly. I make $1.50. I get pwned by rich kid using the axe I sold him. I happily die knowing that my death made me $1.50 richer
Goof Ball? Is that derogatory term or comical? Take this outside.....? What? Man I see why you can't understand
even a simple system as this. Not only you get so heated in a virtual debate, I bet you must rage at home if you
lose a PvP duel in this case. I'm starting to understand where your coming from, though no matter how I try to relate I can't seem too. heh
Sorry man, I'm just a casual player, never spent a dime on a game more than it's original value. And yes I used to be competitive in D2 in my young age, even when every other guy was buying hacked/legit items off various companies.
Nop, never cared about it, and I still don't care if people will be buying in D3. Cause I know I wont. In my opinion, if the normal AH works, good, if both work, even better. If not too bad, cause I'm going to be enjoying the game nonetheless and I can promise that it won't change nothing in my monster killing and loot reaping. Neither will it to yours unless you chose to let it to by crying for nothing as your doing.
And by the way, get through puberty and mature man, stop with the name calling and the virtual threats. lol It's good comical relief though. Then they wonder why it's hard for Blizzard to take these forums seriously... heh childish name calling in same posts containing economical assumptions.
PS: STOP REQUOTING THE WHOLE FREAKING OP, OR HUGE ASS QUOTES. waste of freaking space. lol
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
No, I meant for BLIZZARD.
Good point! That's a really compelling argument, and it's one that has me thinking a lot. I really hope it works out that way, and if this system plays out, I will be happy to eat my words. I have doubts, but the "we don't know how it's going to play out" door swings both ways.
You immediately have started personally attacking everyone on here of a dissenting opinion. This debate was much better until you unfortunately starting throwing your personally directed vitriol around. If you have anything else to say to me, please do it in PM so we can keep this discussion on track.
-Thomas Jefferson
These all have effects on the D3 economy if RL money is tied to in game currency. Although it will not have a direct impact because things are more simple. There are no stocks or securities or security derivatives or leverage. But that does not exclude irrationality in the market place nor does it make a basic/simple market. When you tie something that exists in a virtual world to something so important in the Real World it has complex repercussions and a rational market place is hard to consider. Especially when it is so tied down to not just profiteering but the addiction of gaming. Utility is completely warped for the individual. Large groups of players may not be concerned with wether it is "worth it" or whether "it makes them a profit". We understand a basic market function because we make the assumption that the individual will act rationally because the medium of exchange has value, in D3 you have both a currency that has a Real World identity and now an in game identity. I don't see how it is going to be a simple market.
If I had attacked anyone on this forum I would of been moderated. I didn't attack anyone. I simply gave you exactly what youa sked for in your initial post. A reason why it wont affect your monster killing. The only one attacking anything is you and your childish insults. I gave official quotes that you called "Stupid quotes". I supported the OP stating clear reasons as why there is no drawback of this system without going into pointless real world economical debates. Yet you still have nothing but accusations of what to spit at me. This is a debate. I gave my opinion and backed it up. You did nothing but say I was wrong without any proof. Good night my friend, you just lost the debate.
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
For some people it is as simple as, introducing a system which encourages using real money inside of a game is enough to dirty the sanctity of what it is to play a game to begin with. Are these people (myself included) wrong? No, so you can't tell them they are wrong by flexing your econ 101 muscles and telling them what idiots they are. On the flip side, the people who are in full support of the cash AH have every right to be. I just don't see how those people can be so confident in the success of a system which is still months from even having a chance to prove itself. Some of those in favor of the cash AH wisely recognize that the system is not guaranteed to work. However, many of these people go on to debate the subject as if there was no chance of failure/imbalance.
For some, the relative success of the cash AH is irrelevant. It is fairly hard to argue that we will be able to play the game using the gold AH exclusively and not gimp ourselves. I think we can all agree that we are more likely to see the best items, and more of them in the cash AH. This makes the people who prefer to "keep a game a game", feel pretty betrayed.
It is easy for some to blur the lines and abstract the concept of spending gold vs real cash, but for others, it is impossible for us to simply convert gold to real money to items without feeling as though the entire experience has been cheapened.
Bottom line, I say fight on for your own view no matter which side of the fence you are on. It is all we can do at this point, and it is the only way we can influence Blizzard to remove/keep/change the cash AH.
Absolutely, I kind of don't want it in the game but I really want to see how it will unfold/work out. I don't think it has ever been done before aside from Micro-payment game systems (which is slightly different, lets not go there). I will be extremely surprised/impressed if it works out nicely.
I agree wholeheartedly. But only when you know and understand fully what you are debating about. In this case we don't, so as most people with reason have said already on this forum. Lets not condemn or overpraise this system until we know how it will end up working in real life. Lets just accept the fact that it is here and maybe give a few good constructive criticism about it withouth going "OH MY GOD IM NOT BUYING THIS GAME" "SO UNPURE!!!" That's just insulting to both the folks at Blizzard who put in hard work to designing things and the folks who are curious about it and want to see for themselves the value of this system.
Many good people on these forums are excited that there are new grund breaking ideas beign developped for the game we all love instead of a total repeat/rince with better graphics. This AH system will do exactly what it says it will do or be changed. If it doesn't provide any adequate trading solutions without having to spend real money do you really beliieve that Blizzard won't go about fixing it... Cmon guys get real.
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
Maybe some people are just worried about the impact on the game and its true that its impossible to know exactly how it'll turn out, but I know that as they juts built a money printing machine for themselves out of things that were illegal and wrong, I WANT them to feel insulted, because I am.
Jake I'm sorry to say but your post is completely contradictory. You state the obvious truth that we cannot know the outcome of this complex system. But in the following sentence claim matter of factly -will- of a negative impact on the gold users without knowing in certainty the outcome once again. How are we supposed to take this with any seriousness?
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
Seriously does this argument even work, is it like the final weapon against Blizzard. The threat of quitting.
Does it bring any good arguments to the table? I swear if I was a mod I'd delete every single I QUIT D3 post on the
freaking forums. Not only are they mostly BS, but even if they werent, your posting that your quitting unless Blizzard changes this to fit your view? huh what?
Maann if your successful, I might try it out too.Il have this argument where I push to have D3 given for free in the masses. Then I'll post that if it dont happen I'll quit D3. See if i get lucky too. Maybe they'll take me seriously
I left a year ago cuase the forums were filled with by alot of folks who stragely are still here today, lol a year later. Then on my first day, return to the forums I get another thread filled with I QUIT posts again. Time changes, but people dont.
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
Oh I do apologize for using the wrong term, I should of said. OH I SO DISAGREE WITH BLIZZARD THAT I WONT BUY THEIR GAME! instead. It sounds much more diplomatic. But since your so diplomatic yourself, why don't you wait until youve tried these so horrible changes yourself before burning it at the stake. Youve already waited 3 years for this game and it's the most anticipated game of the year. Not like it's not worth your little 60$ purchase. And even though they made an evil RMAH system you wont even be obliged to pay for it. Win Win situation for you.
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
Seems like a pretty easy way to get your eccurency out of into your bank account.
So if you do stock up gold on your char you can still sell it for real money.
I strongly suggest you guys re-read the Official QnA from Blizzard on the home page
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
I am totally convinced, instead.
I am totally convinced that it will have a negative impact, because I have seen no instance of such things having an overall positive impact on the game.
It might not be so, but the chances of that are I believe, infinitely small.
By default, money that people buy items for will be added to the sellers e-balance (or gold total, if they sell in gold). However, it will also be possible to set up your account so that it will be added your credit card. This will require adding a third party payment service to the account to handle the actual transaction. Blizzard is currently negotiating with potential companies at this point in regards to who will handle this service, so at this point we don't know who it will be or in what regions they will operate. However, it will be possible to make money selling items in Diablo III. What will not be possible, however, is to convert your e-balance back into cash. So if you sell an item and haven't set up your account to give you cash, it will increase your e-balance instead. That e-balance cannot later be withdrawn as cash, but it can be used to buy other items and anything in the Blizzard store, including games and WoW subscription time.
Doesn't this nicely written article with the bolded sentence say that it can't be converted back to real cash? Why should I go back and reread it? I think you just misunderstood my post and/or just pointed out another flaw to get around not being able to directly convert your e-balance into cash. I said set up multiple accounts and buy your other account's money, you said buy and resell gold for real money. Similar ideas, but both basically point out the flaw in not allowing you to withdraw e-balance.
The math is correct as he goes to say that 200g = 1$, You are just reading it wrong. You go with huge profit from it. That's why you look for the gold per dollar thing so you can check what is most profit from and then buy out all the cheap stuff. The axe for gold is ~50% cheaper then for real money in the example.
5 axes: 2000g each
5 axes: $20 each
200 gold = $1
2000 gold = $10
3800 gold = $19
4000 gold = $20
2000*5 = 10000 gold = $50
3800*5 = 19000 gold = $95
19000 - 10000 = 9000 gold = $45
Buying the axes for gold then selling em will be a profit of 9000 gold or $45.
everything in real money for the lulz
Athene explains it all
except I don't know about making a living, but still.