Some bad news for Starcraft fans today. Blizzard just announced that the game, which was due out this October, is now being pushed back to a 2010 release. From what it sounds like, it's mainly because the new version of Battle.net isn't quite ready to go yet and since it's a huge part of the game, they're having to push back the date until (hopefully) no later than the first quarter of 2010.
"It's official. You won't be playing Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty this year, as Blizzard has moved the release date of the real-time strategy game to the "first half of 2010." No, they never dated it; but they have now.
Activision Blizzard's reason for the delay of Starcraft II is reportedly tied to the relaunch of its upgraded Battle.net service, which handles multiplayer for all things Blizzard. In a statement to the Blizzard community, the developer writes "Over the past couple of weeks, it has become clear that it will take longer than expected to prepare the new Battle.net for the launch of the game."
Blizzard calls the new Battle.net an "integral part of the Starcraft II experience and will be an essential part of all of our games moving forward." Activision CEO Bobby Kotick said during an investor call today that the new iteration of Battle.net will likely be ready "early next year.""
We're all obviously used to long delays with Blizzard's new games, but the extended waits never seem to get any easier. One can only speculate as to whether this delay will affect the release of Diablo 3. Do you think this will push the release of that game forward or will it stay on track?
I really think it's going to stay on track.
Sure, B-net is a big part of D3 as well, but it will be ready well before D3 is even close to being released. I doubt they'll even be nearing the beta stages by the time SC2 releases.
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... I really don't see how this will delay the release of D3.
The multiplayer components, yes. But they can still get the single player components out of the way while they wait for B-net to be released.
I mean sure, I don't know much of the development cycle for games, but logically it seems that they could easily stay on track.
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I don't think this will delay Diablo 3. I doubt they were ever planning on releasing Diablo 3 anytime shortly after the release of Starcraft 2, anyway. While people are working on Battle.net, others are working on Diablo 3. If anything, this will make it a little easier so they don't finish Diablo 3, then Battle.net.
Each project has it's own team, so Diablo III should be unaffected by this recent development. Even so, such delays are becoming rather frustrating.
Each team may have there own projects but people move around to different ones to help out. for a while Diablo 3 and SC2 were abandoned to help finish work on Wrath of the Lich King (Warcraft Expansion)
I don't know why the other topic was locked, since they both talk about things that are not exactly the same, and some people over here seems to ignore the fact I just posted.
I highly doubt D3 will be released next year... they haven't even announced the other two classes... I would say the release date will be early-mid 2011. 2012 just seems to distant but for all we know it could be very possible (lets hope not..)
If you go by when they announced WotLK to when they released it (August 2007 to November 2008), and The Burning Crusade, which was announced in October 2005 and released in January 2007, that would be 15ish months from announcement to release. So if they announce the next WoW expansion at this Blizzcon, which is likely, it would, unfortunately, make sense for the 2nd title of 2010 to be the next WoW expansion and not D3. Hopefully we get D3 in early 2011, or they change their normal announcement -> release for WoW expansions with D3 having been announced for so long at that point (and at this point, for that matter). Or they just don't announce the next WoW expansion, that would be nice, too.
Just figured it was some good info as to how this may or may not affect D3. Blizzcon will tell really
As I posted in the last thread, its a complete kick in the balls, for many many reasons.
Im tired of it, im through with it, and Im out of the Blizzard market.
The only reason Im still posting here is because Im wasted off my ass (peachfeast and the Snow Birds in town this week = too many Kokanee Golds) and wanted to see the replays to my last post.
Blizzard can lick donkey balls, Im tired of their bullshit release date and time frames, no way in hell Im going to be 30 years old and still playing this game, just by the fundamentals of it. I wont do it.
So, for this customer, they have less than 12 month to release this game or I will back away from all Blizzard titles untill my kids play them (If i dont make them hate them from inception).
Personally, this is unexpected, but I am not at all surprised. I had a feeling SC2 was happening THIS year judging what we have known in the past, and this new info just proved me right, yet wrong at the same time. SC2 shoulda', coulda', woulda' came out this year, as I had expected, though Battle.net 2.0 isn't going to be up in time. Thats fine with me personally, I would rather see this all done right than done early.
As far as this whole Diablo 3 and WoW expansion thing, a WoW expansion hasn't even been talked about formally yet. They don't NEED a new WoW expansion yet, the fucking one we have still has a lot of work to be done. Ulduar is the big dungeon now, but as we all know we have yet to dethrone Arthas in Icecrown. For all we know, there may be a whole nother raid coming out before Arthas. The LAST thing they need to do at this point is start talking about releasing a new expansion when we haven't even finished the one we have on our plates. "If you can't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you can't eat your meat?!?"
That being said, I personally think the most Blizzcon 09 might do for WoW is announce said expansion. Let us know its coming, but not happening any time soon. That is no way or form means we won't be getting shit on Diablo 3 (we had better), and it in no way or form means an WoW expansion will be coming out before D3. It could, don't get me wrong, but it is WAY to early to be predicting that crap. The only thing we KNOW for sure right now is that SC2 will be coming in 2010. On top of that, assuming there are no delays, we also may very well see another title released in 2010 (most likely later in the year, before holidays). Its either going to be a WoW expansion or Diablo 3.
At this very point in time, it may not LOOK like Diablo 3 is close to completion. What I really cannot understand is how people can blatantly say that it IS NOT, FOR SURE even close to completion when they have no clue in hell as to whats going on behind closed doors. We have damned Blizzcon 09 THIS MONTH, and still people tend to judge Diablo 3 based on old 08 news? WELCOME TO 2009! Its coming in TWO WEEKS! See what Blizzcon 09 has to offer before you start making unreal judgments. After Blizzcon 09, we will most likely be much more suited to make these kinds of theories. If they don't even announce a new WoW expansion, chances are Diablo 3 will see its way to stores before a WoW expansion ever will, but we don't know that because its not Aug 21st now is it?
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Blizzard sure have us coming and going with these announcements, first the lastest patch and delay of the patch for diablo 2 and then this come out. I am not surprised by their moves anymore because they have shown a consistent pattern of doing thing like this and i check for info on this website daily and after that i move on to something else.
I'm betting my dollar that D3 will end up in last quarter of 2010. It was announced in 2008 and started on way before that. Therefore a release in 2010 is a possibility. I do believe that since SC2 is already done and in most part ready for release. Just patiently waiting for Bnet, so because it's release is early 2010, they will still have over 10 months seprating both games... More than enough in my opinion, specially conscidering the fact that there is only one campaign in SC2. So if we had to wait for the full game to be done before D3 release we would be talking about another 2 + years after the complete 3 campaigns are done.
So....After playing the campaign out, and multiplaying a while, some folks will switch to D3 end year 2010 and early 2011, then when the next campaign for SC2 gets release it will re-spark interest....etc
Most people don't play only 1 game at a time anyways.....:thumbsup:
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Hmm, I am a bit dissapointed but not as much as dagger.
Usually quality and effeciency are linked with a high price/cost. Therefore I don't understand how they can be pushing this into 2010 seen as WoW generates quite a "formiddable" income for the company. They must have the resources to produce games faster than other companies, without all the bugs.
Now some people might be thinking "yeah but testing and bugfinding takes time" <-- employ more staff to deal with/locate and fix these problems and this shouldn't be act as a time barrier. Others might be thinking "you can't rush quality", once again, if the correct amount of skilled employees are headhunted and employed quality should be achievable without major time barriers.
Then again, their employment page; http://www.blizzard.com/us/jobopp/ seems to be booming with availabe jobs... maybe they just can't find the right candidates. Hmm...
I'm sorry but I major in Human Resources Management and the first thing you learn is that the larger the company is, the harder it is to keep a level of quality throughout the company. It's simple mechanics. Yeah, your reasoning on more workforce=speed is right, but unfortunately, no matter how talented a designer/coder/artist is, without proper direction he won't be able to acurately imput his knowledge into the game.
You could try to do somthing similar to larger entities and span out management so that every department can guarantee output, but once again, every manager thinks differently. So before the lead developer Jay Wilson's ideas go from his mouth to the ears of the actual employees, alot will have gone through intermediaries.
This is why Harley Davidson brought it's company back down to near original size after nearly going bankrupt from lack of quality due to management/employee numbers being too high. They tried to overproduce to compete with japanese companies that produced lower quality products at a faster rate. When the quality degraded, that's when Harley nearly went down the drain, is that what you want Blizz to become? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2005/07/28/case-study-harley-davidson .... there's a link, go read and understand how high quality, customer satisfactory companies work.
You can't have best of both worlds.(Quality/Speed) It's always a sacrifice when it comes to those two. So in conclusion, I prefer Blizzard take their sweet ass time with a smaller group and produce a quality product like they are known for than to speed up the process and become like EA (Sport)who spew out the same shit every year, or Flagship.....(I wont even go there).
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----------Brought to you by Diablofans.com Forums -------- Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
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Hmm, I am a bit dissapointed but not as much as dagger.
Usually quality and effeciency are linked with a high price/cost. Therefore I don't understand how they can be pushing this into 2010 seen as WoW generates quite a "formiddable" income for the company. They must have the resources to produce games faster than other companies, without all the bugs.
Now some people might be thinking "yeah but testing and bugfinding takes time" <-- employ more staff to deal with/locate and fix these problems and this shouldn't be act as a time barrier. Others might be thinking "you can't rush quality", once again, if the correct amount of skilled employees are headhunted and employed quality should be achievable without major time barriers.
Then again, their employment page; http://www.blizzard.com/us/jobopp/ seems to be booming with availabe jobs... maybe they just can't find the right candidates. Hmm...
Of course, high quality means higher cost, but even though they're making millions/month only with WoW, they can't simply inject millions in a game, to create a good one... They need some different competent teams to work on every game. Yes, you can hire more talented artists/developers/programmers when you have more income, but they have to do their job, and it has to be well managed too. And the most people you have, the harder it is to manage correctly.
You can't simply say: "They have tons of money, they can work faster!" The more people work together, the more complicated it gets to manage, and you end up having less control over it. Too many people working on the same game wouldn't necessarily make the game ready earlier, and it would probably generate more bugs, since too many people works on different parts of the game.
Injecting money in a game wont make it better... Hiring tons of developers isn't really a solution either.
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Also, about the release date part, I don't want to disappoint anyone, I know we all can't wait for Diablo3 to be released, but I really think that in Q4 2010 will be released another WoW expansion, not Diablo3. The last expansion is already almost 1 year old, and for the last 2 expansions, it was always only 1.5year to 2years since the previous release. You know, even if you dont like WoW, it's still their milk-cow, they HAVE to release new content for this game to make a decent income and have the money for developing their other game projects.
I don't think that Battle.net not being ready yet will delay the release of Diablo3, since they can redistribute a part of the development teams on their other projects, but I'm not really expecting Diablo3 to be released in 2010 either. If it is though, I'll be really happy that I was wrong!
Edit: Mattheo got the 'more workforce = harder to manage' point before I finished writing this!
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We're all obviously used to long delays with Blizzard's new games, but the extended waits never seem to get any easier. One can only speculate as to whether this delay will affect the release of Diablo 3. Do you think this will push the release of that game forward or will it stay on track?
Sure, B-net is a big part of D3 as well, but it will be ready well before D3 is even close to being released. I doubt they'll even be nearing the beta stages by the time SC2 releases.
How so?
It only affects Starcraft. Diablo III wouldn't have been out for some time anyway, delayed BNet 2.0 or not.
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The multiplayer components, yes. But they can still get the single player components out of the way while they wait for B-net to be released.
I mean sure, I don't know much of the development cycle for games, but logically it seems that they could easily stay on track.
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Each team may have there own projects but people move around to different ones to help out. for a while Diablo 3 and SC2 were abandoned to help finish work on Wrath of the Lich King (Warcraft Expansion)
Blizzard: Diablo 3 Unaffected by StarCraft 2 Delay, Two Releases Coming Next Year
I don't know why the other topic was locked, since they both talk about things that are not exactly the same, and some people over here seems to ignore the fact I just posted.
But oh well.
Good find though, if you're the one who found it.
If not, thanks for bringing it up :D.
If you go by when they announced WotLK to when they released it (August 2007 to November 2008), and The Burning Crusade, which was announced in October 2005 and released in January 2007, that would be 15ish months from announcement to release. So if they announce the next WoW expansion at this Blizzcon, which is likely, it would, unfortunately, make sense for the 2nd title of 2010 to be the next WoW expansion and not D3. Hopefully we get D3 in early 2011, or they change their normal announcement -> release for WoW expansions with D3 having been announced for so long at that point (and at this point, for that matter). Or they just don't announce the next WoW expansion, that would be nice, too.
Just figured it was some good info as to how this may or may not affect D3. Blizzcon will tell really
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Im tired of it, im through with it, and Im out of the Blizzard market.
The only reason Im still posting here is because Im wasted off my ass (peachfeast and the Snow Birds in town this week = too many Kokanee Golds) and wanted to see the replays to my last post.
Blizzard can lick donkey balls, Im tired of their bullshit release date and time frames, no way in hell Im going to be 30 years old and still playing this game, just by the fundamentals of it. I wont do it.
So, for this customer, they have less than 12 month to release this game or I will back away from all Blizzard titles untill my kids play them (If i dont make them hate them from inception).
Im tired of the blizzard bullshit.
As far as this whole Diablo 3 and WoW expansion thing, a WoW expansion hasn't even been talked about formally yet. They don't NEED a new WoW expansion yet, the fucking one we have still has a lot of work to be done. Ulduar is the big dungeon now, but as we all know we have yet to dethrone Arthas in Icecrown. For all we know, there may be a whole nother raid coming out before Arthas. The LAST thing they need to do at this point is start talking about releasing a new expansion when we haven't even finished the one we have on our plates. "If you can't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! How can you have any pudding if you can't eat your meat?!?"
That being said, I personally think the most Blizzcon 09 might do for WoW is announce said expansion. Let us know its coming, but not happening any time soon. That is no way or form means we won't be getting shit on Diablo 3 (we had better), and it in no way or form means an WoW expansion will be coming out before D3. It could, don't get me wrong, but it is WAY to early to be predicting that crap. The only thing we KNOW for sure right now is that SC2 will be coming in 2010. On top of that, assuming there are no delays, we also may very well see another title released in 2010 (most likely later in the year, before holidays). Its either going to be a WoW expansion or Diablo 3.
At this very point in time, it may not LOOK like Diablo 3 is close to completion. What I really cannot understand is how people can blatantly say that it IS NOT, FOR SURE even close to completion when they have no clue in hell as to whats going on behind closed doors. We have damned Blizzcon 09 THIS MONTH, and still people tend to judge Diablo 3 based on old 08 news? WELCOME TO 2009! Its coming in TWO WEEKS! See what Blizzcon 09 has to offer before you start making unreal judgments. After Blizzcon 09, we will most likely be much more suited to make these kinds of theories. If they don't even announce a new WoW expansion, chances are Diablo 3 will see its way to stores before a WoW expansion ever will, but we don't know that because its not Aug 21st now is it?
So....After playing the campaign out, and multiplaying a while, some folks will switch to D3 end year 2010 and early 2011, then when the next campaign for SC2 gets release it will re-spark interest....etc
Most people don't play only 1 game at a time anyways.....:thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
I'm sorry but I major in Human Resources Management and the first thing you learn is that the larger the company is, the harder it is to keep a level of quality throughout the company. It's simple mechanics. Yeah, your reasoning on more workforce=speed is right, but unfortunately, no matter how talented a designer/coder/artist is, without proper direction he won't be able to acurately imput his knowledge into the game.
You could try to do somthing similar to larger entities and span out management so that every department can guarantee output, but once again, every manager thinks differently. So before the lead developer Jay Wilson's ideas go from his mouth to the ears of the actual employees, alot will have gone through intermediaries.
This is why Harley Davidson brought it's company back down to near original size after nearly going bankrupt from lack of quality due to management/employee numbers being too high. They tried to overproduce to compete with japanese companies that produced lower quality products at a faster rate. When the quality degraded, that's when Harley nearly went down the drain, is that what you want Blizz to become? http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2005/07/28/case-study-harley-davidson .... there's a link, go read and understand how high quality, customer satisfactory companies work.
You can't have best of both worlds.(Quality/Speed) It's always a sacrifice when it comes to those two. So in conclusion, I prefer Blizzard take their sweet ass time with a smaller group and produce a quality product like they are known for than to speed up the process and become like EA (Sport)who spew out the same shit every year, or Flagship.....(I wont even go there).
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Originally Posted by mattheo_majik
I LOVE being a SEX TON!!!
You can't simply say: "They have tons of money, they can work faster!" The more people work together, the more complicated it gets to manage, and you end up having less control over it. Too many people working on the same game wouldn't necessarily make the game ready earlier, and it would probably generate more bugs, since too many people works on different parts of the game.
Injecting money in a game wont make it better... Hiring tons of developers isn't really a solution either.
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Also, about the release date part, I don't want to disappoint anyone, I know we all can't wait for Diablo3 to be released, but I really think that in Q4 2010 will be released another WoW expansion, not Diablo3. The last expansion is already almost 1 year old, and for the last 2 expansions, it was always only 1.5year to 2years since the previous release. You know, even if you dont like WoW, it's still their milk-cow, they HAVE to release new content for this game to make a decent income and have the money for developing their other game projects.
I don't think that Battle.net not being ready yet will delay the release of Diablo3, since they can redistribute a part of the development teams on their other projects, but I'm not really expecting Diablo3 to be released in 2010 either. If it is though, I'll be really happy that I was wrong!
Edit: Mattheo got the 'more workforce = harder to manage' point before I finished writing this!