To bluthammer
Ah, no, I don't know how about back then, but now, the "role" part refers to "playing your role". Which is why Diablo is not a full-scale RPG, there is no character development, dialogues, etc...
I consider DnD the one and only normal rip-off of Tolkien that is decent to look at, actually. (with the exception of the Serpent Rider universes, of course) You may not a agree, of course. I consider it quite substantial.
Diablo's universe never interested me. The demon theme didn't appeal to me much. I never cared for Diablo's lore, universe, storyline. I only appreciated the game itself.
There were plenty of hack&slash games before Diablo 1. Golden Axe and stuff: http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7966&letter=G. A lot of them were on consoles, especially, which is why you never saw them. Diablo was the first popular game, but not the first game ever.
Nox was a very good clone of Diablo that didn't really steal that much of thing. Once again, it is only your opinion. I prefer Nox to Diablo, but Diablo is more replayable.
hey again people
OK i got some hits eh? gooood.
Ok role playing today still actually referres to "the role of the dice". And not playing the role of a character, hero, storyline instance of a character. THis is still the standard for modern rpgs. No matter what the setup may be. Whatever you tell me about DnD is prolly gonna be news to be, cause I tend to avoid rip-offs. And Im not an angry person you:P. I just sound agrevated alot and walk around with foam coming outa my mouth:P
However, adventure games like golden axe most certianly are NOT hack and slash rpgs. They are just hack n slash adventure games. Well thats not the propper name, but its definatly not rpg in the sence of "role of the dice". I'd agree apon the second instance where RPG referres to the second instance of hero-role playing. WHich is also an established variant of what RPGS used to be, and still are. If you look at it that way, then almost all games are rpgs then. I mean, even shooters you play with a set character. Just look at "Fear" for instance. In any case. The true title of "Rpg games" are more regocnised these days as games where you build a character up using experienced gained by kills or other deeds. And in all of these instances quests play the major part in the game architecture. THe title of RPG is in any case to wide a spectrum to catogorise. If you consider the techincal aspects of what old school rpgs used to be and what modern rpgs tend to do. Just look at games like Fable, which is infact more like a life simulator than anything else.
I gotta agree with you though, I'm not too fond of the whole heavan vs hell genre for a game, but i believe that diablo would not have been what it is if it was in any other setting. If I had to go all idealistic and everything here.. I'd say they should just get rid of all the stereo typing that we find in games all together. Aspecially rpgs, cause RPGS tend to be the games that retain playabillity for much longer than most other genres. I mean, elves and dwarfs..orcs..undead...all cool stuff...i suppose. But I kinda get bored of the entire setting. And it is as if most modern fantasy stereo types try to add some cheesy shakespear lingo inbetween. Which causes rpgs to retain their cheesy rep for retarded fans...LOL!
As you might have guessed, Im kinda against MMO games, but in a biast sence I also see great potential in them "(dont u dare mention that greed feueled WoW!). But still, i think it would be a sad day when diablo goes mmo, without any single player options, dont u?. Yea sure, mmo's are the new step in games. Oh and its an excuse for developers to try and solve the problem of creating intelligent AI. There's stilla huge market for single player Rpgs, obviously with a multiplayer side to it as well. But it seems as if though money is still the biggest god of them all. Since mmo's bring in the gold. SUppose its also cause 56% of all players maintain pirate copies. Seems like the gamers screwed themselves in the long run eh? haha
I still havent heard any theories on d3's possible story line?
hey again people
OK i got some hits eh? gooood.
Ok role playing today still actually referres to "the role of the dice". And not playing the role of a character, hero, storyline instance of a character. THis is still the standard for modern rpgs.
It is only your opinion with which everyone else will disagree. Golden Axe is a Hack&Slash, just like Diablo, and neither of them are RPG's.
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If you look at it that way, then almost all games are rpgs then. I mean, even shooters you play with a set character. Just look at "Fear" for instance. In any case. The true title of "Rpg games" are more regocnised these days as games where you build a character up using experienced gained by kills or other deeds.
No, you are mistaking the definition of Role Playing here. Again. In FEAR, you cannot determine the color of your hair, your name, your gender, your clothes, nothing. They just give you a particular character and you are limited to him. In FEAR, you can only do what they ask you to do. Go forward, only forward, and shoot everything. You cannot go somewhere else. You cannot talk to your enemies or bribe them or avoid killing them.
RPG includes character development, dialogues, storyline, unlinearty.
"which is infact more like a life simulator than anything else." - that's what RPG's are, actually. Pretty much life simulators.
Diablo will never go MMO. If Blizzard make a MMO and calls it DIablo, it's not Diablo anymore, it's a game with the name "Diablo".
And I wouldn't mind if you divided your post into paragraphs, not very nice to read, you know.
firstly I'll say I haven't read the whole third post by our friend blutwaraxeofhell or whatever... it was too damn long, just like the first two posts by him, which I've read throughout.
secondly:
you do not ROLE the dice, you ROLL the dice.(period)
role-playing as an expression means playing a role. (period)
BUT I do agree that Diablo games have a lot of elements of RPG, so IMHO it is a hack'n'slash RPG, yes. It does have a storyline, ehm, 'dialogues' that set you into it (but are optional), and so on.
And you don't participate in the storyline. At all. You just go and kill one ton of beasts after another.
True, they only have monolgues. The NPC's talk, and you never talk back.
I could classify it as a roleplaying game though depending on what you consider to be part of the word "role".
In a sense you are roleplaying, because you decide what you're character evolves into, but it is much less in-depth compared to other games where you actually put yourself in the position of your character.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
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ok ...lol.
FIRSTLY: Defining your hair, eyes and general look as absolutely NOTHING to do with a game genre, WHATSOEVER. ITs a relative to the respective game. That has absolutely nothing to do with rpgs, for there are MANY rpgs that lacks that abillity. By the way I was simply referring to fear as an example. We all no that aint a rpg.
And for that bloke that keeps arguing about what the definition of RPG is, Ill go the extra mile to educate you buddy.
RPGS as we now it prolly has the longest history in gaming (except for strategy). RPGS originated from the idea of paper RPGS, which for some odd reason is still being plaied today. I remember back in the early 80's all this dungeon crawling paper rpgs used to be big. THey arent anymore, but they are still around. Just do a bit of researching and LEARN your history mate.
Just for your sake, I have gone to wiki and gotten you a propper discription of what an RPG is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game
Go read there and dont ever tell me I never tought you something:p
Be sure to read ALL the info i provided for YOU, mate.
Ok..
I apologize in advance. I did not read all the posts before I replied.
Not untill after I wrote my last post did I see the children wining.
To the little mister spellchecker. You know, some of us has jobs and can not afford to waste our precious money earning time to check spelling in a forum full of moaning children. Clearly you have some distance to go before you can grasp the simple concept of argumental criticism. But ok now, before this turns into a bash the teen swear-around. ...
Why are you hung up on the idea of conventional RPGS? What gave you the idea that dialogue, and all that stuff has anything to do with the genre in it self? Think logically about it and go read that damn wiki link I gave ya. Get some friggen back ground before you argue with the old guy eh???
Just a tip: The entire world aint out to getcha, so try not to take offence when somebody offers you a good chunk of constructive criticim..PERIOD! LMAO
To the little mister spellchecker. You know, some of us has jobs and can not afford to waste our precious money earning time to check spelling in a forum full of moaning children.
You know, maybe people like you shouldn't waste your time on forums at all. You don't speak babelfish when you talk to people in person just because they waste your time, do you? It's called respect, you know. It's not so hard to add a few paragraphs. And it doesn't steal so much time. Write readibly, or don't write at all, that's what I say. A forum is a place of conversation like any other.
You know, maybe people like you shouldn't waste your time on forums at all. You don't speak babelfish when you talk to people in person just because they waste your time, do you? It's called respect, you know. It's not so hard to add a few paragraphs. And it doesn't steal so much time. Write readibly, or don't write at all, that's what I say. A forum is a place of conversation like any other.
I am not sure what you are trying to tell him/her in that reply, but life does go on.
This thread has gone from someone trying to add information on the possible release of the new Blizzard title to a flame thread. So to attempt to get this thread back on track about information that could lead to a possible outcome I will quote myself from another post to attempt to debunk that it will be D3 coming out.
Yes you did, but there is still little to no proof that any title coming up will make it to any platform game. Blizzard was on the table before for a platform designed game called, "Starcraft Ghost."
The game was, "supposidly" postponed indefinitely. Insider information- ..Starcraft Ghost was haulted after programmers back themselves into a corner with a faulty engine. The project was later continued from scratch by a partially new development team.
In 2006, Blizzard announced that it would be indefinitely be postponed.
This project was placed on the burner but is not out of the minds of personnel.
Let me point out that Wikipedia has the best info for stuff. =D
"On May 16, 2005, Blizzard Entertainment acquired Swingin' Ape Studios." - Which means Blizzard reowns everything that was contracted out to Starcraft Ghost. What happens when you give a project you want done to someone else and it doesn't get done?
I know what I do, I do it myself.
I have the highest hopes for Diablo 3 like the rest of you.
But you might be getting a Console MMO FPS with Single Player and Multiplayer, where you can level your character for certs. Might be space based. Who knows!?
Anyone here a fan of Planetside? (All rights reserved by SoE, Sony Online Entertainment.)
Oh for crying out loud!!!!!!
Stop whining like a bunch of spoiled brats! You seem to take more offence from an argument than anything else. How about just plainly stating your point than getting your panties all wound up. I thought the whole point of this all is but a simple discussion eh? lmao
Perhaps people like YOU should stay away from forums, cuzz you simply cant resist the need to degrade yourselves into braindead arguments... rather than focussing on the point at hand.
I don't see any arguments. Claiming that role-playing-games are roll-playing-games based on NOTHING is an argument? Everything points away from you being right. I see no argument there. So far, I only see you sink down to insultings because you really have nothing else to say.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
Supporting big shoulderpads and flashy armor since 2004.
I still consider D2 as the mother..and father of all modern RPGS.
Yeah, let's not give any credit to the people who started the franchise.
Diable was the first rpg to break out of the gay stereo type fantasy with all the elves,dwarfs and bud-headed races.
That's a bold statement for someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Seeing as I only need to name one RPG that conflicts with that statement to prove you wrong, I will do so. Chrono Trigger
Diablo had that grim dark feeling to it and there was NO JR TOlkien viking mythology raped bare fantasy CRAP included. Thats why we all got addicted to it.
You know...one could say just the opposite in the same fashion and convey just as logical a point. Not that it was a logical point, or anything like that. So don't get delusional.
ALl the prime evils are dead..and we know blizzard aint lame enough to make some miracilous prime evil ressurection.
Oh man, that almost makes me wish that they would do that just for the irony. Quite the unfounded point, you dolt. Can I get your number, so I can leave a 5 minute voicemail of me laughing at you, in case they do? Cuz if there is one thing I love doing, it's proving people wrong.
Isnt it clear that diablo got famous for NOT being stereo type fantasy?
That doesn't quite work. Last I checked, it sold millions of copies for great gameplay and decent plot, having nothing to do, necessarily with something as trivial as races. If you want a statement like that that would work, here's one:
People hate you because you are NOT shutting up about trivial, unfounded bullcrap.
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Diablo isn't even an RPG. It's a hack&slash thing.
It's classified as an RPG all the same. But you make a good point. How can it revolutionize some that it barely has anything to do with?
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diablo is as classical third person rpg as you can get. In fact diablo2 sets the pace for MOST modern third person rpgs.
Name 10. If it's so 'pace-setting', you should have no problem with that in a genre that has hundreds of titles produced after Diablo 2.
A bit of history from us old timers: RPG as in role playing game does not referre to playing "a role" of a hero..right? Role as in role of the dice.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Quote from name="dictionary.com entry "role"" »
a part or character played by an actor or actress.
Seeing as that ties in with the very idea that you refuted, you have no ground to stand on.
Quote from dictionary.com entry "roll" »
(in certain games, as craps) to cast, or throw (dice).
You got the words mixed up, you dummyhead. It explains your confusion, but it also makes you look like an butthole.
DOnt argue with an old timer mate.
If you're an old timer, then how the freak do you mix up two words like role and roll?! "Role-playing game" is how the term has been spelled since conception. So, you've either got old timer's disease (alzheimers) or you're a kid that is very likely to freak up on an English vocabulary test. Way to lie about your age, kid.
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I mean most of the things he says are agreed upon in this forum
He's aspiring to be as revolutionary as Diablo 2 apparently was. And so far, neither are looking to revolutionary.
redundant.
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Piracy doesn't break sales, lol.
So you're saying that stealing games from the owners and manufacturers of it doesn't mean less sales? Then why are people so pissed about things like Limewire? That's stupid. As well as off-topic.
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RPGS as we now it prolly has the longest history in gaming (except for strategy).
'Prolly'? Nice cop-out, you pansy. Not only that, but you're wrong as heck. Name the genre of the first video game conceived. If you were referring to gaming as a whole, refer to the first board game, by all means.
To the little mister spellchecker. You know, some of us has jobs and can not afford to waste our precious money earning time to check spelling in a forum full of moaning children.
If the questioning of your inability to write proper English also brings into question the validity of your point, then it is more than reasonable to correct you on it. Since you can't see the difference between the defined spelling of Role-playing game, and the definition of roll in contrast to role, then you have even less ground to stand on than you did before. So...I wonder how much ground that leaves you with...oh wait...there is none. I wonder how you're still standing!
Why are you hung up on the idea of conventional RPGS?
Because they think that the real father and mother of RPGs deserve more credit than a game that hardly qualifies as part of the genre.
Think logically about it and go read that damn wiki link I gave ya. Get some friggen back ground before you argue with the old guy eh???
Speaking of background, way to not understand the etymology of the term role-playing game. Not only does no one like you, but no one likes your argument.
Just a tip: The entire world aint out to getcha, so try not to take offence when somebody offers you a good chunk of constructive criticim..PERIOD! LMAO
No, but the entire forum is out to get you. After all, you're the one preaching thoughts that came out of your ass. Besides, your argument isn't a constructive criticism of a person. So, the tip isn't even necessary. Not only that, it's just plain unwanted. Just like you.
I thought the whole point of this all is but a simple discussion eh? lmao
Then, once again, you have fudged up your epidermis once again. See, a simple discussion is not a discussion amongst lower IQ'd people, such as yourself, it is a discussion of conventional ideas that make sense. Seeing as nothing you say is coherent, I'm believed you assumed the former.
So you're saying that stealing games from the owners and manufacturers of it doesn't mean less sales? Then why are people so pissed about things like Limewire? That's stupid. As well as off-topic.
Calling me stupid doesn't make you correct, didn't we already talk about that? The question is unprovable, anyway, because piracy is going to stay. And, yes, this is offtopic, but the whole arguing is offtopic, and since you did brought it up, here's my opinion on the subject:
there are a lot of different categories of gamers, for one thing. There is always that sincere group that doesn't pirate games at all. There is also the group that doesn't have a lot of money. Or the group that plays multiplayer all along. Today, most games have considerable lost their quality. There is a lot of really bad games out there. There is also a lot of complicated games as well. You don't really know what you are buying. You come to a store and see all those games, but you know that if you buy a game, it's done, you can't bring it back. It's a whole $50, too. So certain people pretty much don't buy games at all, except really rarelly.
Casual gamers don't care. They buy whatever is most popular and be happy with it. Casual gamers are usually low-informed and are not very keen to torrent since they have no idea what torrent is anyway. Of course there is a number of them that do pirate games. That is pretty much the main money-damaging group out there.
Now, considering we have piracy. The gamers that don't have money and don't buy games start to pirate games. Doesn't make too much difference since they wouldn't be buying those games in the first place. What they do do, though, is raise the statistics, raise the game's popularity, go on forums and discuss it, make mods for it, etc... they add to the popularity in general. It's like Windows. 80% have Windows. But how many of them have a legal one?
And all those casual people that do buy games begin to hear about the games from the pirating people as well.
Moreover, the group that plays multiplayer takes another approach. You can't play a game multiplayer if you pirate it. While it doesn't really makes sense to buy a game if you pirated it first for single player, it makes perfect sense to buy it later to get into multiplayer, and that is what a lot of people do.
Again, this is just my "opinion". I don't have any statistics with me nor do I think they are even possible considering how the quality of games changed...
This has gone so far that I can not really tell what it is you are all talking about any longer. :confused:
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Ah, no, I don't know how about back then, but now, the "role" part refers to "playing your role". Which is why Diablo is not a full-scale RPG, there is no character development, dialogues, etc...
I consider DnD the one and only normal rip-off of Tolkien that is decent to look at, actually. (with the exception of the Serpent Rider universes, of course) You may not a agree, of course. I consider it quite substantial.
Diablo's universe never interested me. The demon theme didn't appeal to me much. I never cared for Diablo's lore, universe, storyline. I only appreciated the game itself.
There were plenty of hack&slash games before Diablo 1. Golden Axe and stuff: http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=7966&letter=G. A lot of them were on consoles, especially, which is why you never saw them. Diablo was the first popular game, but not the first game ever.
Nox was a very good clone of Diablo that didn't really steal that much of thing. Once again, it is only your opinion. I prefer Nox to Diablo, but Diablo is more replayable.
I hate MMO's, I guess we will agree here...
Anyway, it's all a matter of opinion, my friend.
OK i got some hits eh? gooood.
Ok role playing today still actually referres to "the role of the dice". And not playing the role of a character, hero, storyline instance of a character. THis is still the standard for modern rpgs. No matter what the setup may be. Whatever you tell me about DnD is prolly gonna be news to be, cause I tend to avoid rip-offs. And Im not an angry person you:P. I just sound agrevated alot and walk around with foam coming outa my mouth:P
However, adventure games like golden axe most certianly are NOT hack and slash rpgs. They are just hack n slash adventure games. Well thats not the propper name, but its definatly not rpg in the sence of "role of the dice". I'd agree apon the second instance where RPG referres to the second instance of hero-role playing. WHich is also an established variant of what RPGS used to be, and still are. If you look at it that way, then almost all games are rpgs then. I mean, even shooters you play with a set character. Just look at "Fear" for instance. In any case. The true title of "Rpg games" are more regocnised these days as games where you build a character up using experienced gained by kills or other deeds. And in all of these instances quests play the major part in the game architecture. THe title of RPG is in any case to wide a spectrum to catogorise. If you consider the techincal aspects of what old school rpgs used to be and what modern rpgs tend to do. Just look at games like Fable, which is infact more like a life simulator than anything else.
I gotta agree with you though, I'm not too fond of the whole heavan vs hell genre for a game, but i believe that diablo would not have been what it is if it was in any other setting. If I had to go all idealistic and everything here.. I'd say they should just get rid of all the stereo typing that we find in games all together. Aspecially rpgs, cause RPGS tend to be the games that retain playabillity for much longer than most other genres. I mean, elves and dwarfs..orcs..undead...all cool stuff...i suppose. But I kinda get bored of the entire setting. And it is as if most modern fantasy stereo types try to add some cheesy shakespear lingo inbetween. Which causes rpgs to retain their cheesy rep for retarded fans...LOL!
As you might have guessed, Im kinda against MMO games, but in a biast sence I also see great potential in them "(dont u dare mention that greed feueled WoW!). But still, i think it would be a sad day when diablo goes mmo, without any single player options, dont u?. Yea sure, mmo's are the new step in games. Oh and its an excuse for developers to try and solve the problem of creating intelligent AI. There's stilla huge market for single player Rpgs, obviously with a multiplayer side to it as well. But it seems as if though money is still the biggest god of them all. Since mmo's bring in the gold. SUppose its also cause 56% of all players maintain pirate copies. Seems like the gamers screwed themselves in the long run eh? haha
I still havent heard any theories on d3's possible story line?
It is only your opinion with which everyone else will disagree. Golden Axe is a Hack&Slash, just like Diablo, and neither of them are RPG's.
No, you are mistaking the definition of Role Playing here. Again. In FEAR, you cannot determine the color of your hair, your name, your gender, your clothes, nothing. They just give you a particular character and you are limited to him. In FEAR, you can only do what they ask you to do. Go forward, only forward, and shoot everything. You cannot go somewhere else. You cannot talk to your enemies or bribe them or avoid killing them.
RPG includes character development, dialogues, storyline, unlinearty.
"which is infact more like a life simulator than anything else." - that's what RPG's are, actually. Pretty much life simulators.
Diablo will never go MMO. If Blizzard make a MMO and calls it DIablo, it's not Diablo anymore, it's a game with the name "Diablo".
And I wouldn't mind if you divided your post into paragraphs, not very nice to read, you know.
firstly I'll say I haven't read the whole third post by our friend blutwaraxeofhell or whatever... it was too damn long, just like the first two posts by him, which I've read throughout.
secondly:
you do not ROLE the dice, you ROLL the dice.(period)
role-playing as an expression means playing a role. (period)
BUT I do agree that Diablo games have a lot of elements of RPG, so IMHO it is a hack'n'slash RPG, yes. It does have a storyline, ehm, 'dialogues' that set you into it (but are optional), and so on.
And you don't participate in the storyline. At all. You just go and kill one ton of beasts after another.
I could classify it as a roleplaying game though depending on what you consider to be part of the word "role".
In a sense you are roleplaying, because you decide what you're character evolves into, but it is much less in-depth compared to other games where you actually put yourself in the position of your character.
FIRSTLY: Defining your hair, eyes and general look as absolutely NOTHING to do with a game genre, WHATSOEVER. ITs a relative to the respective game. That has absolutely nothing to do with rpgs, for there are MANY rpgs that lacks that abillity. By the way I was simply referring to fear as an example. We all no that aint a rpg.
And for that bloke that keeps arguing about what the definition of RPG is, Ill go the extra mile to educate you buddy.
RPGS as we now it prolly has the longest history in gaming (except for strategy). RPGS originated from the idea of paper RPGS, which for some odd reason is still being plaied today. I remember back in the early 80's all this dungeon crawling paper rpgs used to be big. THey arent anymore, but they are still around. Just do a bit of researching and LEARN your history mate.
Just for your sake, I have gone to wiki and gotten you a propper discription of what an RPG is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_game
Go read there and dont ever tell me I never tought you something:p
Be sure to read ALL the info i provided for YOU, mate.
I apologize in advance. I did not read all the posts before I replied.
Not untill after I wrote my last post did I see the children wining.
To the little mister spellchecker. You know, some of us has jobs and can not afford to waste our precious money earning time to check spelling in a forum full of moaning children. Clearly you have some distance to go before you can grasp the simple concept of argumental criticism. But ok now, before this turns into a bash the teen swear-around. ...
Why are you hung up on the idea of conventional RPGS? What gave you the idea that dialogue, and all that stuff has anything to do with the genre in it self? Think logically about it and go read that damn wiki link I gave ya. Get some friggen back ground before you argue with the old guy eh???
Just a tip: The entire world aint out to getcha, so try not to take offence when somebody offers you a good chunk of constructive criticim..PERIOD! LMAO
I am not sure what you are trying to tell him/her in that reply, but life does go on.
This thread has gone from someone trying to add information on the possible release of the new Blizzard title to a flame thread. So to attempt to get this thread back on track about information that could lead to a possible outcome I will quote myself from another post to attempt to debunk that it will be D3 coming out.
Stop whining like a bunch of spoiled brats! You seem to take more offence from an argument than anything else. How about just plainly stating your point than getting your panties all wound up. I thought the whole point of this all is but a simple discussion eh? lmao
Perhaps people like YOU should stay away from forums, cuzz you simply cant resist the need to degrade yourselves into braindead arguments... rather than focussing on the point at hand.
Other than thatmost of your posts contain something degrading and/or offensive in them.
From what I can see, half of it is just making fun of everyone else. So don't be surprised when people start getting defensive and get back at you.
That's a bold statement for someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. Seeing as I only need to name one RPG that conflicts with that statement to prove you wrong, I will do so. Chrono Trigger
You know...one could say just the opposite in the same fashion and convey just as logical a point. Not that it was a logical point, or anything like that. So don't get delusional.
Oh man, that almost makes me wish that they would do that just for the irony. Quite the unfounded point, you dolt. Can I get your number, so I can leave a 5 minute voicemail of me laughing at you, in case they do? Cuz if there is one thing I love doing, it's proving people wrong.
That doesn't quite work. Last I checked, it sold millions of copies for great gameplay and decent plot, having nothing to do, necessarily with something as trivial as races. If you want a statement like that that would work, here's one:
People hate you because you are NOT shutting up about trivial, unfounded bullcrap.
It's classified as an RPG all the same. But you make a good point. How can it revolutionize some that it barely has anything to do with?
Name 10. If it's so 'pace-setting', you should have no problem with that in a genre that has hundreds of titles produced after Diablo 2.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Seeing as that ties in with the very idea that you refuted, you have no ground to stand on.
You got the words mixed up, you dummyhead. It explains your confusion, but it also makes you look like an butthole.
If you're an old timer, then how the freak do you mix up two words like role and roll?! "Role-playing game" is how the term has been spelled since conception. So, you've either got old timer's disease (alzheimers) or you're a kid that is very likely to freak up on an English vocabulary test. Way to lie about your age, kid.
He's aspiring to be as revolutionary as Diablo 2 apparently was. And so far, neither are looking to revolutionary.
redundant.
So you're saying that stealing games from the owners and manufacturers of it doesn't mean less sales? Then why are people so pissed about things like Limewire? That's stupid. As well as off-topic.
'Prolly'? Nice cop-out, you pansy. Not only that, but you're wrong as heck. Name the genre of the first video game conceived. If you were referring to gaming as a whole, refer to the first board game, by all means.
If the questioning of your inability to write proper English also brings into question the validity of your point, then it is more than reasonable to correct you on it. Since you can't see the difference between the defined spelling of Role-playing game, and the definition of roll in contrast to role, then you have even less ground to stand on than you did before. So...I wonder how much ground that leaves you with...oh wait...there is none. I wonder how you're still standing!
Because they think that the real father and mother of RPGs deserve more credit than a game that hardly qualifies as part of the genre.
Speaking of background, way to not understand the etymology of the term role-playing game. Not only does no one like you, but no one likes your argument.
No, but the entire forum is out to get you. After all, you're the one preaching thoughts that came out of your ass. Besides, your argument isn't a constructive criticism of a person. So, the tip isn't even necessary. Not only that, it's just plain unwanted. Just like you.
Then, once again, you have fudged up your epidermis once again. See, a simple discussion is not a discussion amongst lower IQ'd people, such as yourself, it is a discussion of conventional ideas that make sense. Seeing as nothing you say is coherent, I'm believed you assumed the former.
there are a lot of different categories of gamers, for one thing. There is always that sincere group that doesn't pirate games at all. There is also the group that doesn't have a lot of money. Or the group that plays multiplayer all along. Today, most games have considerable lost their quality. There is a lot of really bad games out there. There is also a lot of complicated games as well. You don't really know what you are buying. You come to a store and see all those games, but you know that if you buy a game, it's done, you can't bring it back. It's a whole $50, too. So certain people pretty much don't buy games at all, except really rarelly.
Casual gamers don't care. They buy whatever is most popular and be happy with it. Casual gamers are usually low-informed and are not very keen to torrent since they have no idea what torrent is anyway. Of course there is a number of them that do pirate games. That is pretty much the main money-damaging group out there.
Now, considering we have piracy. The gamers that don't have money and don't buy games start to pirate games. Doesn't make too much difference since they wouldn't be buying those games in the first place. What they do do, though, is raise the statistics, raise the game's popularity, go on forums and discuss it, make mods for it, etc... they add to the popularity in general. It's like Windows. 80% have Windows. But how many of them have a legal one?
And all those casual people that do buy games begin to hear about the games from the pirating people as well.
Moreover, the group that plays multiplayer takes another approach. You can't play a game multiplayer if you pirate it. While it doesn't really makes sense to buy a game if you pirated it first for single player, it makes perfect sense to buy it later to get into multiplayer, and that is what a lot of people do.
Again, this is just my "opinion". I don't have any statistics with me nor do I think they are even possible considering how the quality of games changed...