Question: Do Mephisto (Prime Evil) and Auriel (member of the Angiris Council) have some kind of relationship?
Canon passages in question (from The Veiled Prophet by Richard A. Knaak):
"This is a peaceful visit, oh, councilors," rasped a voice like a nest of angry vipers. "Peaceful--if you would have it so."
[....]
YOU OFFER PARLEY...LORD MEPHISTO? Auriel asked the shadow. YOU...NOT YOUR BROTHER?
[....]
Imperius took over the situation from Auriel. WHAT PACT IS THIS YOU PROPOSE?
A hint of great, sharp teeth momentarily flashed into sight where the demon's head should have been. "We, like you, made false assumptions about this place, false assumptions about the creatures spawned by both our kind."
A blazing red eye materialized, then winked in the direction of Auriel, who utterly ignored it.
The first 3 times I read this exchange, I just took Mephisto's wink to be a lewd gesture intended to offend and insult Auriel.
But upon reading it for a fourth time yesterday, with the context of the Tyrael and Imperius conspiracies/theories in mind, I began to wonder if perhaps there were more to it.
What IF Auriel was Mephisto's lover at some point? Despite how kindly she treated Mendeln and how dedicated she was to seeing Sanctuary develop (LET THEIR POTENTIAL BE DEVELOPED...FOR IN THEM I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE THAT WE MAY SEE THE END OF OUR STRUGGLE AT LAST!), could she become (or perhaps was she already) influenced by the Prime Evils?
If she had mothered Lucion or Lilith with Mephisto, might she be tainted in some way? Could it be that she her statement about the end od the struggle was laden with irony?
Now, I am not saying the IS the case, that Auriel is an agent of evil, but I think it gives us one more thing to talk about.
What? Lol, I agree that Mephisto and Auriel seem to have once been lovers (like Inarius and Lilith), but tainted by evil? No, I doubt it. She is still an Angel, she still values everything that Angels value, but she just happens to be a little more forgiving when it comes to demons and Sanctuary.
Inarius isn't tainted by evil, even though he was once with Lilith. He's just extremely vain and wants a world to his own. He thinks himself above Heaven and Hell. Its a different state of mind to being 'tainted', because tainted is more like being converted to fight for the other side, but I highly doubt Auriel (and definitely not Inarius) would join Hell.
I really don't understand what them two could possibly see in each other though. I suppose you could say that opposites attract, because Mephisto is the Lord of Hatred and Auriel seems to be the Angel of Love (given her sympathetic nature).
As for possible offspring; it is said that angels and demons don't have families like humans do. So we don't know if Lilith is their daughter, but yeah she could be. I mean, it kind of makes sense that when you combine Hate and Love you result in a manipulative temptress lol.
Another hint that Mephisto was once in love with someone:
When the Kiss of Mephisto (also known as the 'Blood Marble' that resurrects the Morlu) is first mentioned, it is said that it was named 'Kiss of Mephisto' because it was originally a gift for someone else, other than Lucion. If Lucion doesn't approve of the 'kiss', then it doesn't seem to be the sort of kiss that a father gives to his son. Therefore, it also seems unlikely the type of kiss that is from a father to his daughter, so it is also unlikely that it is aimed at Lilith. If not Lilith or Lucion, then Mephisto must have been involved with someone else. Tying in with his wink at Auriel, it appears that Auriel was who the 'kiss' was targeted at.
"Turning his eyes back to the cataclysmic sight below, Lord Lucion gestured toward the very center, where the worst of the carnage had and was still taking place. In the midst of everything, a black gemstone nearly as large as a man sat embedded in a triangular column of red-streaked marble. “Blood marble,” it was named, naturally. The stone was called by Malic’s master the Kiss of Mephisto, although the cleric had, from past comments, reason to believe that it had once been named for another of whom Lord Lucion would not speak." (Birthright)
What? Lol, I agree that Mephisto and Auriel seem to have once been lovers (like Inarius and Lilith), but tainted by evil? No, I doubt it.
Taint was a poor choice of words. I meant "influenced." I still don't necessarily believe there was anything between them. But the possibility only recently occurred to me as a I reread that passage.
The fact that any angels were able to deny Order long enough to mate and commune with demons--and that the demons were able to forgo chaos long enough to do the same with angels--made me wonder about what Tyrael and Imperius discussed about angels being compelled to fight the eternal struggle. How is it that the renegade angels and demons managed to put aside the conflict?
And however we decide they managed to unshackle themselves of the intrinsic need to advance their respective causes, is it really that much more of a stretch to conclude that once the compulsion is broken that the same being could masquerade as normal but serve the other side?
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Canon passages in question (from The Veiled Prophet by Richard A. Knaak): The first 3 times I read this exchange, I just took Mephisto's wink to be a lewd gesture intended to offend and insult Auriel.
But upon reading it for a fourth time yesterday, with the context of the Tyrael and Imperius conspiracies/theories in mind, I began to wonder if perhaps there were more to it.
What IF Auriel was Mephisto's lover at some point? Despite how kindly she treated Mendeln and how dedicated she was to seeing Sanctuary develop (LET THEIR POTENTIAL BE DEVELOPED...FOR IN THEM I THINK THERE IS A CHANCE THAT WE MAY SEE THE END OF OUR STRUGGLE AT LAST!), could she become (or perhaps was she already) influenced by the Prime Evils?
If she had mothered Lucion or Lilith with Mephisto, might she be tainted in some way? Could it be that she her statement about the end od the struggle was laden with irony?
Now, I am not saying the IS the case, that Auriel is an agent of evil, but I think it gives us one more thing to talk about.
Inarius isn't tainted by evil, even though he was once with Lilith. He's just extremely vain and wants a world to his own. He thinks himself above Heaven and Hell. Its a different state of mind to being 'tainted', because tainted is more like being converted to fight for the other side, but I highly doubt Auriel (and definitely not Inarius) would join Hell.
I really don't understand what them two could possibly see in each other though. I suppose you could say that opposites attract, because Mephisto is the Lord of Hatred and Auriel seems to be the Angel of Love (given her sympathetic nature).
As for possible offspring; it is said that angels and demons don't have families like humans do. So we don't know if Lilith is their daughter, but yeah she could be. I mean, it kind of makes sense that when you combine Hate and Love you result in a manipulative temptress lol.
Another hint that Mephisto was once in love with someone:
When the Kiss of Mephisto (also known as the 'Blood Marble' that resurrects the Morlu) is first mentioned, it is said that it was named 'Kiss of Mephisto' because it was originally a gift for someone else, other than Lucion. If Lucion doesn't approve of the 'kiss', then it doesn't seem to be the sort of kiss that a father gives to his son. Therefore, it also seems unlikely the type of kiss that is from a father to his daughter, so it is also unlikely that it is aimed at Lilith. If not Lilith or Lucion, then Mephisto must have been involved with someone else. Tying in with his wink at Auriel, it appears that Auriel was who the 'kiss' was targeted at.
The fact that any angels were able to deny Order long enough to mate and commune with demons--and that the demons were able to forgo chaos long enough to do the same with angels--made me wonder about what Tyrael and Imperius discussed about angels being compelled to fight the eternal struggle. How is it that the renegade angels and demons managed to put aside the conflict?
And however we decide they managed to unshackle themselves of the intrinsic need to advance their respective causes, is it really that much more of a stretch to conclude that once the compulsion is broken that the same being could masquerade as normal but serve the other side?