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How could Tyrael have the souldstone??? YOU SMASHED IT ON THE HELLFORGE! Oh.... Wait... That was Mephisto's.... My mistake!

tyrael is the clear answer cuz ... if izual can double cross why not tyrael ? ? ?

You should have been a private detective ma' friend...

Hmm, I'll take a crack at this.

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Out of all the members of Tristram, isn't it a bit odd that Cain was left alive when everyone else was slaughtered?

It is mildly odd, yes. Especially since there's no telling how long he was in his gibbet. However, there's no comprehending the mind of a demon. They might have just wanted to save him for torture. And part of that torture might have just been to starve him for awhile. It is also possible that they sensed power about him. And it seems that when demons perceive a power that they can exploit or harness in some way, they'll tinker with it for awhile first to see how to gain that power (Remember Ogden's sign? The demons then showed to be totally misguided and foolish).

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(Marius survived, followed Diablo and played a part in the release of Baal) Cain practically lead you to the destruction of the Worldstone.

Even if this is true, the consequences of letting Baal fully have his way with it would have been far worse. While we do not understand the full ramifications of the Worldstone's destruction, it makes sense regardless that Cain would want you to stop Baal from doing what he wanted to do with it, albeit, we arrive too late anyway. But I believe destroying it was detrimental, but that it was really a matter of cutting or losses and salvaging what we could.

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(Note: If a soul stone is destroyed, the spirit contained within returns to Hell,

More like the Great Abyss. There's no telling what happens after that or even it there is an after that. I personally believe that Mephisto, Diablo, and Baal (assuming his Soulstone was destroyed) are indeed sentenced to drift for all eternity through the Great Abyss. But people don't like this theory cause that implies they can never fight the Prime Evils again. However, this is one reason that I believe the next Diablo game will be a prequel.

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and with the Worldstone destroyed, the barrier between realms would be shattered thus allowing the Prime Evils to return to Sanctuary.)

This is where I disagree with most people. Tyrael destroyed the Worldstone just to keep this from happening. Destroying it would keep any angelic force from ever entering Sanctuary again, but more importantly, it would keep the demonic forces from entering Sanctuary as well. When Tyrael speaks of the consequences that even he cannot foresee from its destruction, I believe he is referring to how he does not know how mortals will get along without the influence or guidance of higher powers. And this disturbs him somehow.

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It could be that both Tyrael and Cain were pulling the strings. Perhaps they are truly Belail and Azmodan (Both of whom were mentioned in the guide book texts & novels and yet never made an appearance).

Your theory that Tyrael and Cain were puling the strings from the beginning to result in the Worldstone's destruction is an interesting one. But I certainly do not believe they were Belial and Azmodan assuming their forms. You'd have to suggest more to support that.

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Another key point I noticed is that Diablo and Baal overpowered Tyrael in Act two, why didn't they kill him as well? It is more than obvious that they could have.

Not necessarily. Remember when you finally reach Tyrael he says he did expect you earlier and that the energies tying him to this world are broken. This implies that he was guarding Baal for when you reached him first. Unfortunately, it did not work out that way. Diablo had held back our hero for too long and Tyrael's investment did not pay off.

When you see Tyrael kind of throwing the Wanderer around in that cutscene, it's obvious an Archangel of his power would be able to deal with him then and there. But Tyrael has no anchor such as a Soulstone or any other device that allows him to remain indefinitely in Sanctuary. He seemed to do it on his own power, but the power needed to remain there was vast and his energies were dissipating quickly.

When you see Tyrael after Act II, it is no longer in the mortal plane. It is in the Pandemonium Fortress which is a bastion of Heaven and therefore probably doesn't require any special power to physically exist there. You also see him in the Worldstone chamber where he appears in flux.

I think that when Diablo managed to free his brother with the help of Marius, they probably considered themselves lucky to have pulled even that off. Diablo knew it would be no cakewalk, so why take the chances of doing further battle with Tyrael? Diablo got what he had come for.

This theory that Cain and Tyrael are pulling the strings... How do we know that? How do we know that there isn't a new threat? Heck, Nilathak betrayed them, why couldn't someone else? I think there is more to it than we'll ever find out before this game is released.

The way LoD ended, is an oxymoron I'd like to refer to as a conclusive cliffhanger. It was conclusive because of what I talked about in my last couple of posts there, it's still a cliffhanger because we don't know for sure exactly what it all meant at the end. Because you can interpret the Worldstone's destruction in so many ways, there's no telling what the next Diablo game may be like. Even if it was originally intended to mean a certain thing, the writers can just as easily come up with new reasons why all our theories are incorrect. It's kind of frustrating, really.

im confused... is this a trick question lol??

for sure it is the doing of the prime evils and lesser evils Belial and Azmodan

Dude this thread is so old, and you necroed it to say that?

Does nobody feel that big D's mama is responsible?she obviously gave birth to THREE count um, THREE evil ass brothers and raised them all as lil hellians. its da mama!!it always has been, diablo never even wanted to doall tht stuff, he's lazy. but mama gets wats it is thts she wants!

i said tyrael. i always thought he was evil.

I always suspected Wirt of being the evil mastermind behind it all...
I mean, that peg-leg never fooled anyone.
Like using his severed limb to open a portal leading to hellish murdering cows wasn't proof enough...

I CHANGED MY MIND!!!!this is my opinion. through half of d3 tyreal will be seen as an evil mastermind, but it wont be him. theres always an incredibly righteous guy that is suspected and seems to be a perfect fit for the ultimate evil.but in reality he will be framed. becausethere is OBVIOUS connection with the vil in that game and the evil of biblical name implications. all the main evils except for andy and duriel i think can be found in the bible, and most often are just another name for satan, and then a few of the minor evils and bosses or w/e are also people with bad biblical histories.

so who would this master mind be???!?!?!?!

CAIN of course! (today is the first time i really thought about it) i mean think about it!!!the guys a freakin genius first of all but sometimes he acts dumb until u complete the quest and figure out a bunch of stuff. so he obviously knows more than he tells.

and look at the way he walks around town goin all "STAY A WHILE AND LISTEN!!!!" lol
the main bad guy is ALWAYS the one u would NEVER expect, the guy that is closest to you. he is always the one motivating the quests and stuff. so ya i think its cain. i wana change my vote

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and look at the way he walks around town goin all "STAY A WHILE AND LISTEN!!!!" lol
the main bad guy is ALWAYS the one u would NEVER expect, the guy that is closest to you. he is always the one motivating the quests and stuff. so ya i think its cain. i wana change my vote

Interesting thought. His accent is probably fake as well if you think about it...

y ya say that??explain please?

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wirt... he cant do anything... i mean we took his leg

er he is very crippled since that..

anyone played WoW?

we even got his third leg for christ sake.

Lilith, she is behind the evil.

well we wont know till d3 is announced

yup so it could be a looonnngggg time

Man...its tyreal, i got it all planned out, he lied about the worldstone, he and baal had a conspiracy goin from the beginning, baal would be "corrupting the worldstone" while tyreal sat on his ass and waited for the right point to drop in, shattering the worldstone will allow evil to pour in, unlike what he said, cain is then assassinated, wirt gets his other leg lopped off, and diablos mom waits for her time to take part in the plan, if this amkes no sence, please excus eme, im tired...and sleep is overrated