Let me put it this way.. I'm level fifty fuckin' five.. if it changes, I will become a lit match next to a stack of hay.
EDIT: I also have to add to what Cali said. He says going to ours or Fudlows server would make the most sense, and I agree with that completely. If you and Thas go to another server you will have succesfully split the guild three ways. I say we pick an Alliance server and pick a Horder server for whoever wishes to play on which side. Those 2 servers are Lethon(Fudlow, Alliance) and Destromath(Everyone else, Horde) I have made a Draenei Paladin on Lethon but have not played him much at all. I think he's level 6 or 7. (I'll probably delete him and remake as something other than a Paladin, though) Like I sais before. I'v achieved level 55 and I am extremely proud of that. I can actually taste my Black War Raptor that I plan on getting and have 330g out of the 480g it will cost for my epic mount training. I have raised well over 250g in the last week for that, so I must be blunt about this, no way in hell will I leave my tauren warrior, not even if Silver personally walked to my house, broke in and hit me in the balls with a ping-pong paddle.
The servers have been chosen: Alliance on Lethon, Horde on Destromath- Take your pick
Thank you and good day,
Tehstickleman
You guys gotta stop being pansies about the leveling thing. I have a level 52, and I gave him up. Before that I had a level 30, gave him up too. You guys go around talking about how loyal you are to me, or to SLAYERS, or to SICK. I guess I know how "loyal" you really are, if you get in a fit for something like this. I wouldn't ask you guys to do something I wouldn't do, and in this case I actually did it. Its funny that you guys are already jumping the gun, because Thas and I have not even talked about it.
I'm the leader, yet none of you are willing to follow. Guess I'm not as good a leader as I thought I was.
I know I have no place in saying in this...but you could have characters on two seperate realms... I know I have a full account on Azuremyst, 2 on Blade's Edge, and 1 on Destromath...
The servers have been chosen: Alliance on Lethon, Horde on Destromath- Take your pick
/Signed
The fact of the matter is Carlos, sometimes its gotta be about what EVERYONE wants. Sure you may have given up those high lvl characters, but that doesnt mean you should expect us to do the same. You cant expect us to pack up and leave all in the name of loyalty. Loyalty to who? The guild? Or you? Because at the moment i see loyalty to the guild as being destromath, where a MAJORITY of the guild that play WoW have made their home and are quite comfortable. Loyalty lies with everyone in the guild, not just those in power. Hell, our second in command pack up and left us. His loyalties are with his friends. Thats fair enough, im dissapointed that his friend couldnt come and join us though. That would have made more fucking sense. You honestly expect us to abandon our hard work in the name of "loyalty"? Why should loyalty be all about leaders? Why cant devotion be about everyone? Without your lowly legionaires, and your hard working decurions, you wouldnt have a guild. Your guild sir carloseus is currently doing their best to make SICK and SLAYERS proud. And if that happens to be in WoW on DEstromath then so be it. Come and join what you started, what we worked for in the name of silver. Even if you do manage to bring everyone over to a new server, you honestly think they will be 100% ok about it? That they wont have anger or displeasure or resent towards you? You say we are jumping the gun, that you and thas havent even spoken about it yet, but the suggestions you make all mean shit to us. It should be simple. Come join us. Theres no reason not to.
The fact of the matter is Carlos, sometimes its gotta be about what EVERYONE wants. Sure you may have given up those high lvl characters, but that doesnt mean you should expect us to do the same. You cant expect us to pack up and leave all in the name of loyalty. Loyalty to who? The guild? Or you? Because at the moment i see loyalty to the guild as being destromath, where a MAJORITY of the guild that play WoW have made their home and are quite comfortable. Loyalty lies with everyone in the guild, not just those in power. Hell, our second in command pack up and left us. His loyalties are with his friends. Thats fair enough, im dissapointed that his friend couldnt come and join us though. That would have made more fucking sense. You honestly expect us to abandon our hard work in the name of "loyalty"? Why should loyalty be all about leaders? Why cant devotion be about everyone? Without your lowly legionaires, and your hard working decurions, you wouldnt have a guild. Your guild sir carloseus is currently doing their best to make SICK and SLAYERS proud. And if that happens to be in WoW on DEstromath then so be it. Come and join what you started, what we worked for in the name of silver. Even if you do manage to bring everyone over to a new server, you honestly think they will be 100% ok about it? That they wont have anger or displeasure or resent towards you? You say we are jumping the gun, that you and thas havent even spoken about it yet, but the suggestions you make all mean shit to us. It should be simple. Come join us. Theres no reason not to.
If that were the case I should go back to Anetheron, where Fudlow and I started. And you talk about loyalty, there is few to none that have worked harder to help SICK be what it is, don't talk to loyalty to me. I said something I was just thinking about, Caliban called me stupid if I went through with it, Teh, Ferret, and yourself are all telling me how you don't care what I do or say, you will stay in the server you are in and there is nothing I can do about it, and that I, the leader should listen to you guys and stay on Destromatch and finish what I started, when I didn't really start anything there. I love you guys, but there is a line where I join you guys even though I would rather have a human guild, or being forced to go with you guys just because you stand against me.
A form of mutiny is what is beginning to happen, and I don't appreciate it one bit.
You're overreacting. I myself gave up a level 31 on Sargeras. I was very proud of that character, he was the first I had gotten past level 15. You say I'm unloyal? Me, Ferret, and Cali all started the guild in your name on Destromath, and after that we worked extremely hard to get to make our tabard which would resemble the game of our roots. I will go to an Alliance server with you, but don't expect me to play near as much as I do my Horde character. You're legion is, at the moment, occupying two servers. One Horde, one Alliance. I see no reason why both cannot be played. When I first spoke to you about playing Horde you told me SICK stands for good, so you'd prefer if we don't play as the evil side, but that is also wrong. Neither side is good nor evil, they just want to live. Read some Warcraft Lore and you would know that both sides have good intintions but are stuck in a war because the orcs were mind controlled at one time to be evil, but no longer are. No side is evil, thus there is nothing wrong with playing horde(Which, frankly, has much more fun and interesting races)
Well, at this point in the story, it's basically both factions, not allied, but fighting against the scourge which is under control of a god who has consumed a physical form in Arthas. Not even Illidan is evil, he was just a narcissistic fool who got in the way.
@Carlos- im not against you... i could never be against my friends over something as stupid as a game. all im saying is that im staying on Destromath, a while back, you joined destromath with us and i thought it was decided that, that was our server, and i was happy with it. then since Fudlow left, we started getting into this heated debate on what server we were gonna be on, even though 95% of us were already on Destromath.
I also think that you trying to pull us over to a different server is the same as us trying to pull you over to a different server. so i dont think that you should get mad at us for asking you to come to destromath when your doing the exact same thing to us.
You ALL should know that i am Loyal to my 1st: my friends and 2nd: my guild. but since most of the friends i play games with comprise of this guild, i have no problem with that. The only reason i came to play WoW is because you all started to play it, and i wanted to be with my guild, and friends. i had a few friends on the bloodscalp server (who have just recently quit the game) that i could have joined, but i came and played with you all, since you guys are amazing... i love playing with you guys and the conversations that we have are priceless. I am in this guild to have fun, not to argue or bicker. Carlos, you asked us to pick a server, and we picked Destromath... if you dont want arguement, like i dont, then either join the one we picked or you should have set a server way back before we all started. I look to you as my leader, but more so as my friend, and i dont wanna jeprodise that by people going around throwing ranks about like its going outta style. i will listen to you, and do what you ask, but if you go around saying what you have about being the leader, then idk what i will do.
thanks for hearing me out, and reading all of this.
-Caliban
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I love the idea of starting a new character, but I also don't want to just drop all of my progress with my warrior. You should see me tank man! Lol.. anyways.. Carlos, ever since I first joined this forum I aspired to you. You are so much like myself that it is actually scary. That is why I decided to join SLAYERS, to fight under you. The only thing that has bothered us was the "Be ready to drop everything and come to us" comment that you made. I would have no problem following that order if you would have worded it as I'm sure you meant, like "All SLAYERS should report to (chosen server) whenever we begin our new characters, but are not merely limited to those characters." But, because of the way things have gotten I feel as though we already have our servers chosen, Alliance on Lethon, and Horde on Destromath. You are a good leader, however the problem with leaders is they sometimes forget that the people who obey them are allowed to make decisions too.
Wow this seems like a sort of civil war. Anyway anyone that is thinking about playing WoW or is thinking of going to a new server I have a guild on The Scryers. It's horde side and I currently run it with a level 51 troll shaman. The guild is small but comprised of mainly my friends and family. I would easily admit anyone from the site that wants in. Just contact Sujin via in game mail and you can join Obsidion ( I know it is spelled wrong, but trolls don't spell english well)
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yeah, i agree. thats sort of what i was saying... you should have just assigned us a server in the first place, and i would have had no problem going with you all. but its months later, and acording to some of you, the server hasnt been picked, and thats just wrong since we all have well along characters in a server already.
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A form of mutiny is what is beginning to happen, and I don't appreciate it one bit.
LOL! Fucking bs!
Mutiny is when people try to overthrow someone in power. We arent trying to get rid of you, we are trying to knock some sense into you. There is no logical reason why yourself and Thas shouldnt join one of the already established servers that the rest of us populate. There is no doubt in everyones mind it is the most sensible and worthwhile thing to do. Why is that so hard to understand?
"The problem with leaders is they sometimes forget that the people who obey them are allowed to make decisions too." - Tehstickle
Yeah.. This whole thing is really just a misunderstanding in logic. We are looking at it logically.. and you.. are... well we don't know what your deal is o.O
I got my reasons, one of them is getting the feeling that after all I've done for you guys you wouldn't join me. And all I did was mention it was a possibility, you guys were pretty quick to jump against it. I'll have to talk to Fudlow before I make my final decision with Thas, but the way things are looking I might not even come back to WoW. Why should I? Thas doesn't want to play Horde, Fudlow won't convince his friend to join us, you guys don't want to switch to Alliance, and meanwhile I'll just be with Thas, which will be tricky because we have opposite schedules. My whole reason to get back into WoW was to play with my friends, but whats the point of playing with one small group or the other? And I don't have the time to make two characters.
Disappointed? I don't know if I should be. Disinterested? Looking that way. I'll have to sleep on this and think about it, I got two weeks before I finally buy my comp. Thank you guys anyway.
We didn't say we didn't want to come to Alliance, just that we didn't want to abandon our Horde characters. We were only mad because you said "Be ready to drop everything and come to us" as if our accomplishments and aspirations didn't matter. Plus, we have 35 gold in the guild bank that no one can touch but you, so we do need you for that. Also, if Thas doesn't want to play Horde then the decision is made. Play Alliance on Lethon with Fudlow. Those of us on Horde will promptly make characters there, however, we may not be 100% into leveling them since we've already been through all the rig-a-ma-role. I love the idea of starting fresh, but I also love the idea that I'm merely 5 levels and 100g away from Epic Mount.
gratz on that teh ^_^. i might make an alt alliance character on lethanon, since me and my friend on alleria got into an argument the other day. but i wont play my alliance char nearly as much as my horde char.
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I never told you guys to be ready to drop, that comment was referred to LinkX as he was just getting there. But that's what I mean, if I'm going to be getting on and seeing only one or two of you on, its not worth it. 30 a month is nothing when you are having fun with your friends, but if I'm going to be seeing Thas every once in a while like it was with Fudlow, he might as well just join you guys or something because thats too miserable a time for me to go through again.
I've got $570 set aside already for the comp I'm going to buy, I was real excited before all this to get it, but I guess I'll still get a good comp so I can do my graphics stuff. I'm not going to beg you guys to come with me, its your decision at the end. I'm not going to pity any of you guys, I don't work that way. Just letting you guys know what's going on in my mind. I'll make my decision tomorrow morning, approximately 10 hours from now after my shift at work. It will be in the SLAYERS thread as to what I'm going to do.
You have nothing to do with this, its these guys that got all up in arms after that comment I made towards you and me not keeping it clear from the start what my intentions were. But it doesn't matter what happenes now, because I'm going to go with Thas if I do decide to join WoW again.
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You guys gotta stop being pansies about the leveling thing. I have a level 52, and I gave him up. Before that I had a level 30, gave him up too. You guys go around talking about how loyal you are to me, or to SLAYERS, or to SICK. I guess I know how "loyal" you really are, if you get in a fit for something like this. I wouldn't ask you guys to do something I wouldn't do, and in this case I actually did it. Its funny that you guys are already jumping the gun, because Thas and I have not even talked about it.
I'm the leader, yet none of you are willing to follow. Guess I'm not as good a leader as I thought I was.
Thanks.
Carloseus
/Signed
The fact of the matter is Carlos, sometimes its gotta be about what EVERYONE wants. Sure you may have given up those high lvl characters, but that doesnt mean you should expect us to do the same. You cant expect us to pack up and leave all in the name of loyalty. Loyalty to who? The guild? Or you? Because at the moment i see loyalty to the guild as being destromath, where a MAJORITY of the guild that play WoW have made their home and are quite comfortable. Loyalty lies with everyone in the guild, not just those in power. Hell, our second in command pack up and left us. His loyalties are with his friends. Thats fair enough, im dissapointed that his friend couldnt come and join us though. That would have made more fucking sense. You honestly expect us to abandon our hard work in the name of "loyalty"? Why should loyalty be all about leaders? Why cant devotion be about everyone? Without your lowly legionaires, and your hard working decurions, you wouldnt have a guild. Your guild sir carloseus is currently doing their best to make SICK and SLAYERS proud. And if that happens to be in WoW on DEstromath then so be it. Come and join what you started, what we worked for in the name of silver. Even if you do manage to bring everyone over to a new server, you honestly think they will be 100% ok about it? That they wont have anger or displeasure or resent towards you? You say we are jumping the gun, that you and thas havent even spoken about it yet, but the suggestions you make all mean shit to us. It should be simple. Come join us. Theres no reason not to.
If that were the case I should go back to Anetheron, where Fudlow and I started. And you talk about loyalty, there is few to none that have worked harder to help SICK be what it is, don't talk to loyalty to me. I said something I was just thinking about, Caliban called me stupid if I went through with it, Teh, Ferret, and yourself are all telling me how you don't care what I do or say, you will stay in the server you are in and there is nothing I can do about it, and that I, the leader should listen to you guys and stay on Destromatch and finish what I started, when I didn't really start anything there. I love you guys, but there is a line where I join you guys even though I would rather have a human guild, or being forced to go with you guys just because you stand against me.
A form of mutiny is what is beginning to happen, and I don't appreciate it one bit.
I also think that you trying to pull us over to a different server is the same as us trying to pull you over to a different server. so i dont think that you should get mad at us for asking you to come to destromath when your doing the exact same thing to us.
You ALL should know that i am Loyal to my 1st: my friends and 2nd: my guild. but since most of the friends i play games with comprise of this guild, i have no problem with that. The only reason i came to play WoW is because you all started to play it, and i wanted to be with my guild, and friends. i had a few friends on the bloodscalp server (who have just recently quit the game) that i could have joined, but i came and played with you all, since you guys are amazing... i love playing with you guys and the conversations that we have are priceless. I am in this guild to have fun, not to argue or bicker. Carlos, you asked us to pick a server, and we picked Destromath... if you dont want arguement, like i dont, then either join the one we picked or you should have set a server way back before we all started. I look to you as my leader, but more so as my friend, and i dont wanna jeprodise that by people going around throwing ranks about like its going outta style. i will listen to you, and do what you ask, but if you go around saying what you have about being the leader, then idk what i will do.
thanks for hearing me out, and reading all of this.
-Caliban
LOL! Fucking bs!
Mutiny is when people try to overthrow someone in power. We arent trying to get rid of you, we are trying to knock some sense into you. There is no logical reason why yourself and Thas shouldnt join one of the already established servers that the rest of us populate. There is no doubt in everyones mind it is the most sensible and worthwhile thing to do. Why is that so hard to understand?
"The problem with leaders is they sometimes forget that the people who obey them are allowed to make decisions too." - Tehstickle
/Signed
Disappointed? I don't know if I should be. Disinterested? Looking that way. I'll have to sleep on this and think about it, I got two weeks before I finally buy my comp. Thank you guys anyway.
I've got $570 set aside already for the comp I'm going to buy, I was real excited before all this to get it, but I guess I'll still get a good comp so I can do my graphics stuff. I'm not going to beg you guys to come with me, its your decision at the end. I'm not going to pity any of you guys, I don't work that way. Just letting you guys know what's going on in my mind. I'll make my decision tomorrow morning, approximately 10 hours from now after my shift at work. It will be in the SLAYERS thread as to what I'm going to do.
I'm really sorry... >.<
I honestly didn't want to start anything...
I just wanted to play with y'all... ._.
Probably should of just kept my mouth shut or asked via PM... x.x