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Little iffy about the Death Knight class though. Mainly which races can be one. a Gnomish Death Knight seems silly. It should be human and undead only.
But they have to be available to a wide range, not every single race, but more than 2 at least.
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Little iffy about the Death Knight class though. Mainly which races can be one. a Gnomish Death Knight seems silly. It should be human and undead only.
No Wai! Male gnome Death Knight with pink hair ftw! Thats the first Death Knight i'll make
mostly to get on the nerves of the very "serious" people about that
Undead Death Knight will be the next on a pvp server
No Wai! Male gnome Death Knight with pink hair ftw! Thats the first Death Knight i'll make
That is what I am afraid of. This game already lacks seriousness already due to all of it's referencing to pop culture, Haris Pilton being among the worst (yeah she even has a dog in a bag called Tinkerbell).
Death Knights are bad asses. Death Knights are fallen Paladins. Gnomes cannot be Paladins, so how can a Gnome be a Death Knight?
Well that is the most common, technically a Death Knight can be a fallen warrior, it's not entirely exclusive to Paladins, but the majority of the time it is. Lachdanan and all those Knights in Hell (in d1 and d2) are Death Knights. Gnomes can be Warriors, so therefore they can be Death Knights I guess. Although they really shouldn't be.
That's not going to stop me making an Orc Death Knight though, I might not like it 100%, But I'll still do it.
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-Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. That is alchemy's First Law of Equivalent Exchange. In those days, we really believed that to be the world's one, and only, truth.
Death Knights are bad asses. Death Knights are fallen Paladins. Gnomes cannot be Paladins, so how can a Gnome be a Death Knight?
Well that is the most common, technically a Death Knight can be a fallen warrior, it's not entirely exclusive to Paladins, but the majority of the time it is. Lachdanan and all those Knights in Hell (in d1 and d2) are Death Knights. Gnomes can be Warriors, so therefore they can be Death Knights I guess. Although they really shouldn't be.
That's not going to stop me making an Orc Death Knight though, I might not like it 100%, But I'll still do it.
as you said, Death Knights arent "just" fallen paladins. Arthas was a paladin, but the ones in Warcraft and Warcraft 2 for example, were completely different. They are fallen heroes, mostly plate wearers, though, reanimated to fight for the people they sought to destroy.
Now think of the races that have at least 1 plate wearer... all do.
If it was exclusive to paladins, then only Draenei, Humans and Blood Elves (ew) should be able to create Death Knights.
since its about all heroes, anyone can and should be able to make some. Maybe they should add some class specific stuff in the appearance (as the blueish eyes like the ones Arthas has in the intro - thats already supposed to be that way) to make them look darker. They shouldnt be restricted to what races to choose, though.
From a looks perspective, I abhor the idea of a gnome deathknight running around. Generally I would favor humans, undead and orcs, possibly letting dwarves in as well.
However from a lore perspective I can't oppose it. Any warrior can fall and become a servant of Arthas. If Mightyman the lvl 70 gnome comes and dies in Northrend, I don't think arthas will care whether he's one or two meters tall.
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From a looks perspective, I abhor the idea of a gnome deathknight running around. Generally I would favor humans, undead and orcs, possibly letting dwarves in as well.
They are generally men (err males) who were pure of heart, and epitomized, valor, honor, courage, devotion, strength. Sounds like Paladins to me. Or they are knights who were slain and returned from the grave through vile and unholy means.
There were Orcs in WCIII who returned from the dead but they were only Skeletal Orcs. They weren't a Knight who had the will and mind perverted or the result of combing the bodies of Orc warlocks and Human Knights.
However from a lore perspective I can't oppose it. Any warrior can fall and become a servant of Arthas. If Mightyman the lvl 70 gnome comes and dies in Northrend, I don't think arthas will care whether he's one or two meters tall.
No, no he would not. As a Death Knight (even one who is now the Lich King), he is still motivated by the same things as any Death Knight, Power, Stregth, Lust (not for women, but power), Hate, Revenge. He is raising an army of those who have fallen in battle. It would matter if they were human, gnome, Tauren, Orc or anything else he came along like the remains of a dragon.
Still I detest a gnome Death Knight.
Death Knight is a hero class, somewhat modeled on the WCIII version, not every race in WCIII could make Death Knights. I would think the same logic carries over to WOW, or at least I personally hope so.
Death Knight is not the only Hero Class in WOTLK (or is it?), I would imagine another class that is a better fit to gnomes would be available. The standard classes were not available to all classes.
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There were Orcs in WCIII who returned from the dead but they were only Skeletal Orcs. They weren't a Knight who had the will and mind perverted or the result of combing the bodies of Orc warlocks and Human Knights.
Teron Gorefiend was the first, but we was of a different breed from The Lich King's servants.
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No, no he would not. As a Death Knight (even one who is now the Lich King), he is still motivated by the same things as any Death Knight, Power, Stregth, Lust (not for women, but power), Hate, Revenge. He is raising an army of those who have fallen in battle. It would matter if they were human, gnome, Tauren, Orc or anything else he came along like the remains of a dragon.
I don't see how power, stregth, lust, hate or revenge has anything to di with what race his servants are. He already employs anything dead in his ranks, ranging from spiders to dragons, so why not anything living as well?
The Tauren and NE could reasonably be denied the possibility of becoming deathknights due to their close link to nature. However aside from that, there are no otherwordly barriers or rules that prevent any race from becoming death knight. The lich king does as he pleases.
And, even if the NE and Tauren had this link, it would seem entirely possible that it would have been severed by the act of becoming a death knight
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now seriously, gnomes are as good as anyone in WoW. Since they can be very successfull in any class they can make, why limit them in the hero class selection. Because they're short? Or because they (can) have pink hair?
The game can be serious and will be in the RP servers. In the rest, its never serious even without gnome death knights.
in Warcraft lore so far all of the Death Knights were undead because they already died (as will happen with these guys we're going to have in WotLK). We didnt know which race they were because they only had 1 model in Warcraft, Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3.
in Warcraft lore so far all of the Death Knights were undead because they already died
Except for Arthas. He didn't die. But he is the lord of all Death Knights now, even before becoming the Lich King
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in Warcraft lore so far all of the Death Knights were undead because they already died (as will happen with these guys we're going to have in WotLK). We didnt know which race they were because they only had 1 model in Warcraft, Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3.
Now hold on here. Arthas didn't die, and from the looks of it, players-character deathknights don't necessarily either.
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Death Knights were once heroic, virtuous defenders of humanity. However they were corrupted by the subtle machinations of the Lich King and lured to his dark standard. These former heroes were given untold power and the promise of immortality in exchange for their loyalties. Although the retain their humanity, their twisted souls were bound to the Lich King's will for all time. ....
No where does it say they were actually dead in the Warcraft Lore. Therefore any race could potentially be a Death Knight, however in most medieval fantasy realms, be they from a book, movie or game, humans possess the weakest minds, and are far more likely to fold to the will of a darker power, such as Sauron in LOTR or the Lich King in WC. It sort of a stereotype in fantasy, but one that appears a heck of lot though. Mostly because humans will do almost anything to achieve their goals, even if it goes against their morals, basically, they forget they have any.
Look at Arthas. He sacrificed his best friend's (Muradin) soul to get Frostmourne. Lead hundreds of men to their deaths to hunt down a lone Dread Lord (Mal'ganis) for personal reasons. Not exactly the shining and glorious example of a Paladin now is it. But both of those actions are well rather, human.
Can't imagine Malfurion sacrificing someone's soul to get a weapon. Not even the power hungry Illidan would do that. Well maybe he would so long as the person wasn't Malfurion or Tyrande, both of whom he still holds in his heart.
And Thrall wouldn't sacrifice a soul like that either I don't think. Not after all the crap the Orcs have gone through with the enslavement to the demons and the Burning Legion. Grom had to die to pay for his and the other (old) clan chieftain's mistakes. Though they were kind of tricked into it by a corrupt Shadow Council lead by Gul'dan (helped by a demented Medivh), but fortuantely he got what he deserved.
I am not to sure on what the full lore is behind the Gnomes and Dwarves, but no Orc is going to let himself or herself be controlled by some demonic, monstrous being every again. There is a bloody monument in Ashenvale dedicated to the memory of Grom Hellscream, a reminder of exactly what he sacrificed his life to do. To save the Orcs from corruption and servitude.
But all that power will definitely be fun. Unless it is race resrictied and only some classes can be one. BLizzard haven't actually stated yet which races can or cannot be death Knights.
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We haven't yet made a final determination about which races can be death knights. However, the class will be available to both the Alliance and the Horde.
They haven't released any info on the exact races, just that both Alliance and Humans can be Death Knights.
Humans are Alliance, Undead are Horde.
However.
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Yes, we do intend to add more hero classes in the future, but right now our focus is on the current expansion.
They say they will add more Hero classes in WOW. Though they did not say Death Knight was the only Hero class in WOTLK. Or did they?
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No where does it say they were actually dead in the Warcraft Lore. Therefore any race could potentially be a Death Knight, however in most medieval fantasy realms, be they from a book, movie or game, humans possess the weakest minds, and are far more likely to fold to the will of a darker power, such as Sauron in LOTR or the Lich King in WC. It sort of a stereotype in fantasy, but one that appears a heck of lot though. Mostly because humans will do almost anything to achieve their goals, even if it goes against their morals, basically, they forget they have any.
Most, but not all as you said.
Humans are never described as weak-minded in WoW. In fact, they're more or less described as strong-minded with the impressive ability of mastering many professions and skills with lifespans much shorter than many other races such as elves of dwarves.
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I am not to sure on what the full lore is behind the Gnomes and Dwarves, but no Orc is going to let himself or herself be controlled by some demonic, monstrous being every again. There is a bloody monument in Ashenvale dedicated to the memory of Grom Hellscream, a reminder of exactly what he sacrificed his life to do. To save the Orcs from corruption and servitude.
Lots of them are. Or were rather, most would have been killed by now. They hung out in Hellfire Peninsula until the Alliance and Horde came in and cleaned up.
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But all that power will definitely be fun. Unless it is race resrictied and only some classes can be one. BLizzard haven't actually stated yet which races can or cannot be death Knights.
They have, that's old info. Every race can turn into a Death Knight.
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They say they will add more Hero classes in WOW. Though they did not say Death Knight was the only Hero class in WOTLK. Or did they?
Nope. They're planning on adding more classes, and you can bet Demon Hunter will come out eventually.
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See, now Demon Hunter. Again that seems to me like a class that would be race restricted as well. Not just because it was a Night Elf only hero in WCIII, but in terms of lore it streams from a time when Elves were heavy into magic, so it seems like something Night Elf and Blood Elf would be.
While an orc would make an impressive Demon Hunter, in terms of lore, they should now be weary of demonic magics. They should be weary of their own warlocks, let allow a hero class.
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See, now Demon Hunter. Again that seems to me like a class that would be race restricted as well. Not just because it was a Night Elf only hero in WCIII, but in terms of lore it streams from a time when Elves were heavy into magic, so it seems like something Night Elf and Blood Elf would be.
While an orc would make an impressive Demon Hunter, in terms of lore, they should now be weary of demonic magics. They should be weary of their own warlocks, let allow a hero class.
They should be wary of Death Knights as well, but against the absolute power of customer catering, there can be no victory.
If the demon hunter comes, there's a chance it might be race-restricted now that there's already a hero class out and all. But there's also the chance that Blizzard will impose no limits in order to cater to their customers.
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i have to admit that a gnome demon hunter would look much weirder than a gnome death knight...
so far we've only seen them as Night Elves and Blood Elves in the game (both Warcraft 3 and WoW).
But to make it race specific there should be more added at the same time to provide a hero class for all races. We're talking about hero classes, not simple characters here and even those that favor another race should be able to pick one that suits them (gnome arch-mage, yay!).
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/splash-wrathdate.htm
Now can this be considered early? Or is it a little late for being an expansion?
Cant wait to get my hands on my collector's edition
Little iffy about the Death Knight class though. Mainly which races can be one. a Gnomish Death Knight seems silly. It should be human and undead only.
But they have to be available to a wide range, not every single race, but more than 2 at least.
No Wai! Male gnome Death Knight with pink hair ftw! Thats the first Death Knight i'll make
mostly to get on the nerves of the very "serious" people about that
Undead Death Knight will be the next on a pvp server
Death Knights are bad asses. Death Knights are fallen Paladins. Gnomes cannot be Paladins, so how can a Gnome be a Death Knight?
Well that is the most common, technically a Death Knight can be a fallen warrior, it's not entirely exclusive to Paladins, but the majority of the time it is. Lachdanan and all those Knights in Hell (in d1 and d2) are Death Knights. Gnomes can be Warriors, so therefore they can be Death Knights I guess. Although they really shouldn't be.
That's not going to stop me making an Orc Death Knight though, I might not like it 100%, But I'll still do it.
as you said, Death Knights arent "just" fallen paladins. Arthas was a paladin, but the ones in Warcraft and Warcraft 2 for example, were completely different. They are fallen heroes, mostly plate wearers, though, reanimated to fight for the people they sought to destroy.
Now think of the races that have at least 1 plate wearer... all do.
If it was exclusive to paladins, then only Draenei, Humans and Blood Elves (ew) should be able to create Death Knights.
since its about all heroes, anyone can and should be able to make some. Maybe they should add some class specific stuff in the appearance (as the blueish eyes like the ones Arthas has in the intro - thats already supposed to be that way) to make them look darker. They shouldnt be restricted to what races to choose, though.
However from a lore perspective I can't oppose it. Any warrior can fall and become a servant of Arthas. If Mightyman the lvl 70 gnome comes and dies in Northrend, I don't think arthas will care whether he's one or two meters tall.
There were Orcs in WCIII who returned from the dead but they were only Skeletal Orcs. They weren't a Knight who had the will and mind perverted or the result of combing the bodies of Orc warlocks and Human Knights.
No, no he would not. As a Death Knight (even one who is now the Lich King), he is still motivated by the same things as any Death Knight, Power, Stregth, Lust (not for women, but power), Hate, Revenge. He is raising an army of those who have fallen in battle. It would matter if they were human, gnome, Tauren, Orc or anything else he came along like the remains of a dragon.
Still I detest a gnome Death Knight.
Death Knight is a hero class, somewhat modeled on the WCIII version, not every race in WCIII could make Death Knights. I would think the same logic carries over to WOW, or at least I personally hope so.
Death Knight is not the only Hero Class in WOTLK (or is it?), I would imagine another class that is a better fit to gnomes would be available. The standard classes were not available to all classes.
I don't see how power, stregth, lust, hate or revenge has anything to di with what race his servants are. He already employs anything dead in his ranks, ranging from spiders to dragons, so why not anything living as well?
The Tauren and NE could reasonably be denied the possibility of becoming deathknights due to their close link to nature. However aside from that, there are no otherwordly barriers or rules that prevent any race from becoming death knight. The lich king does as he pleases.
And, even if the NE and Tauren had this link, it would seem entirely possible that it would have been severed by the act of becoming a death knight
thats racism against gnomes and i'll report you!
now seriously, gnomes are as good as anyone in WoW. Since they can be very successfull in any class they can make, why limit them in the hero class selection. Because they're short? Or because they (can) have pink hair?
The game can be serious and will be in the RP servers. In the rest, its never serious even without gnome death knights.
in Warcraft lore so far all of the Death Knights were undead because they already died (as will happen with these guys we're going to have in WotLK). We didnt know which race they were because they only had 1 model in Warcraft, Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3.
Except for Arthas. He didn't die. But he is the lord of all Death Knights now, even before becoming the Lich King
No where does it say they were actually dead in the Warcraft Lore. Therefore any race could potentially be a Death Knight, however in most medieval fantasy realms, be they from a book, movie or game, humans possess the weakest minds, and are far more likely to fold to the will of a darker power, such as Sauron in LOTR or the Lich King in WC. It sort of a stereotype in fantasy, but one that appears a heck of lot though. Mostly because humans will do almost anything to achieve their goals, even if it goes against their morals, basically, they forget they have any.
Look at Arthas. He sacrificed his best friend's (Muradin) soul to get Frostmourne. Lead hundreds of men to their deaths to hunt down a lone Dread Lord (Mal'ganis) for personal reasons. Not exactly the shining and glorious example of a Paladin now is it. But both of those actions are well rather, human.
Can't imagine Malfurion sacrificing someone's soul to get a weapon. Not even the power hungry Illidan would do that. Well maybe he would so long as the person wasn't Malfurion or Tyrande, both of whom he still holds in his heart.
And Thrall wouldn't sacrifice a soul like that either I don't think. Not after all the crap the Orcs have gone through with the enslavement to the demons and the Burning Legion. Grom had to die to pay for his and the other (old) clan chieftain's mistakes. Though they were kind of tricked into it by a corrupt Shadow Council lead by Gul'dan (helped by a demented Medivh), but fortuantely he got what he deserved.
I am not to sure on what the full lore is behind the Gnomes and Dwarves, but no Orc is going to let himself or herself be controlled by some demonic, monstrous being every again. There is a bloody monument in Ashenvale dedicated to the memory of Grom Hellscream, a reminder of exactly what he sacrificed his life to do. To save the Orcs from corruption and servitude.
But all that power will definitely be fun. Unless it is race resrictied and only some classes can be one. BLizzard haven't actually stated yet which races can or cannot be death Knights.
They haven't released any info on the exact races, just that both Alliance and Humans can be Death Knights.
Humans are Alliance, Undead are Horde.
However.
They say they will add more Hero classes in WOW. Though they did not say Death Knight was the only Hero class in WOTLK. Or did they?
Humans are never described as weak-minded in WoW. In fact, they're more or less described as strong-minded with the impressive ability of mastering many professions and skills with lifespans much shorter than many other races such as elves of dwarves.
Lots of them are. Or were rather, most would have been killed by now. They hung out in Hellfire Peninsula until the Alliance and Horde came in and cleaned up.
They have, that's old info. Every race can turn into a Death Knight.
Nope. They're planning on adding more classes, and you can bet Demon Hunter will come out eventually.
While an orc would make an impressive Demon Hunter, in terms of lore, they should now be weary of demonic magics. They should be weary of their own warlocks, let allow a hero class.
If the demon hunter comes, there's a chance it might be race-restricted now that there's already a hero class out and all. But there's also the chance that Blizzard will impose no limits in order to cater to their customers.
so far we've only seen them as Night Elves and Blood Elves in the game (both Warcraft 3 and WoW).
But to make it race specific there should be more added at the same time to provide a hero class for all races. We're talking about hero classes, not simple characters here and even those that favor another race should be able to pick one that suits them (gnome arch-mage, yay!).