No, this is not a post where I want you to post who your favourite is, because then veryone posts their one post and all we get a collection of meaningless posts no one will bother to read.
Perhaps famous is the wrong word, but what I'm looking for is what character represents Warcraft, inlcuding WoW, the most?
Personally I'd go with either one of three characters; Arthas, Thrall or Illidan.
True, neither of them appeared before WCIII, but since then they have been two of the most known characters. Thrall has had a book written about him, was the focus of the Orc campaign, and has an isntance in WoW that reenacts his escape from the determent camps.
Arthas on the other hand was the main antagonist in WCIII, destroying the elven kingdom, summoning Archimonde (yes Kel'Thuzad did the actual ritual, but Arthas was a major part of it). Then he became the focus of the expasnion, after which he ended up as the most powerful being in Azeroth, and even Kil'jaeden seems to be afraid of him.
Illidan was also a major plot driver in both Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne, and has now become the center of attention for the Burning Crusade. He's had a huge impact in shaping the course of events all from the inital and first invasion of the Burning Legion, preventing the second invasion, awakening the Naga, attempting to destroy the Lich King and recently in pretty much taking over Outland.
But personally, when I hear Warcraft, I think of Thrall, so my vote falls on him.
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i'd rather take Medivh, Illidan Stormrage and Neltharion (Deathwing). Pretty much the most powerfull beings on the Warcraft lore (not counting the silly human paladin Arthas that fucked everything up and became a deathknight at first, and then merged with the Lich King himself afterwards).
Medeivh, Kil'jaeden they appear in WC lore many times, half of the lore seems based around them.
but snce it seems almost like most WC series fans came in around WCIII and/or WOW. i might say
Illidan, Arthas, or Thrall. the newer games seem to revovle around them. sep. Illidan and Arthas.
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i'd rather take Medivh, Illidan Stormrage and Neltharion (Deathwing). Pretty much the most powerfull beings on the Warcraft lore (not counting the silly human paladin Arthas that fucked everything up and became a deathknight at first, and then merged with the Lich King himself afterwards).
Right, but I have a feeling that if you ask most people who know about Wacraft who Medivh is, you'll get a big question mark in return. In terms of how important he's been for the world, he definately ranks up in the top, but when it comes to how known he is, I doubt it.
Same goes for Deathwing, and even though he's dead (supposedly) his spawn manages to cause some serious havoc even today.
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Medeivh, Kil'jaeden they appear in WC lore many times, half of the lore seems based around them.
but snce it seems almost like most WC series fans came in around WCIII and/or WOW. i might say
Illidan, Arthas, or Thrall. the newer games seem to revovle around them. sep. Illidan and Arthas.
Kil'jaeden suffers from the same situation as Medivh. Since he hasn't appeared in the games at all except for in a game cinematic with Illidan in The Frozen Throne, most people wouldn't know who he is if you asked them.
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People have a great hate for people who done something terrible because of their own foolishness. And I don't understand where that hate comes from. Fools are not responsible for their actions.
People have a great hate for people who done something terrible because of their own foolishness. And I don't understand where that hate comes from. Fools are not responsible for their actions.
While they still have to be held responsible, it would be true that they cannot control their actions as well as other. I take it you are referring to Arthas with this comment, correct?
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I think Grom Hellscream at least represents the Orc race really well. And the Orcs represent Warcraft to a large extent anyway. I like the aspects of honor among the Orcs. They kind of remind me of Klingons actually.
But he's an interesting character. Once corrupted by demons, then saved by Thrall, then corrupted again by demons, then freeing himself and ultimately his people of the demons by sacrificing himself against Mannoroth.
Same goes for Deathwing, and even though he's dead (supposedly) his spawn manages to cause some serious havoc even today.
hes not dead! he's a Dragon Aspect and his life is bound to the life of Azeroth! It would be same as talking about Alexstraza being dead (a big no). His Black Brood of Blackwing still troubles the world but the fate of him isnt known. Whats certain is that hes not dead and he definitely shouldnt be killed. That could help provide endless "spawns of Deathwing" like Onyxia, Nefarian and god knows what else to come.
Medivh is unknown to those that havent played Warcraft 1 and WoW: Burning Crusade. People that played one or both of these games will know him best. The last Guardian, crazed by the spirit of the Dark Titan. Awesome.
about Illidan i dont think anyone doesnt like him after playing Warcraft 3 and the Frozen Throne. He wants power in the world, not to rule it and follows his own cause all the time (betrayed both Elves and Legion many times just to gain power). His lines in WC 3 were also awesome.
People have a great hate for people who done something terrible because of their own foolishness. And I don't understand where that hate comes from. Fools are not responsible for their actions.
in one way, ur right that they shouldnt be judged that harshly since they dont have as much "potential" as smarter ones. But when it comes to fools in position of power... well, i think u get the idea.
What i ment about Arthas was that from a paladin that tried and should keep trying to protect their kingdom from the undead he ended up destroying the exact thing he swore to protect and becoming the one thing he tried to destroy (thats why the "hate" which i'd rather describe as "strongly dislike" more than actual hate).
I think Grom Hellscream at least represents the Orc race really well. And the Orcs represent Warcraft to a large extent anyway. I like the aspects of honor among the Orcs. They kind of remind me of Klingons actually.
But he's an interesting character. Once corrupted by demons, then saved by Thrall, then corrupted again by demons, then freeing himself and ultimately his people of the demons by sacrificing himself against Mannoroth.
He did have a peculiar, life, and it's not often that someone becomes corrupt twice and both times frees himself. Plus he's a pretty cool character on top of that.
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hes not dead! he's a Dragon Aspect and his life is bound to the life of Azeroth! It would be same as talking about Alexstraza being dead (a big no). His Black Brood of Blackwing still troubles the world but the fate of him isnt known. Whats certain is that hes not dead and he definitely shouldnt be killed. That could help provide endless "spawns of Deathwing" like Onyxia, Nefarian and god knows what else to come.
If the Titans can die, then the Aspects can surely die as well. Question is how hard it is and if being trapped in Outland while it collapsed was enough.
about Illidan i dont think anyone doesnt like him after playing Warcraft 3 and the Frozen Throne. He wants power in the world, not to rule it and follows his own cause all the time (betrayed both Elves and Legion many times just to gain power). His lines in WC 3 were also awesome.
I know at least one person that doesn't like Illidan
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If the Titans can die, then the Aspects can surely die as well. Question is how hard it is and if being trapped in Outland while it collapsed was enough.
which Titan died? Sargeras' spirit passed inside Aegwyn after his body "died" and after Medivh was slain nothing's known. Its certain he wasnt completely "dead" and we still have no clue about where he is. The Dragon Aspects are bound with all life on Azeroth and they all survived. Alexstraza, Nozdormu, Ysera, Neltharion (Deathwing) and one more i think whos name i totally forget. Its not like they "cant" die, its just they shouldnt if life is to remain on Azeroth
and about the Titans they didnt create life on the worlds they visited, they only reformed them in a state of order.
He did have a peculiar, life, and it's not often that someone becomes corrupt twice and both times frees himself. Plus he's a pretty cool character on top of that.
Not only that, but what I like about what he did for the Orc race was show how agile and nimble they can be. You're used to just seeing Orcs with heavy axes and relying on brute force, but the Blademasters are more like martial artists and they use swords instead. And they are highly regarded in Orc society; I think in part because most Orcs are not capable of wielding weaponry in such a fasion.
which Titan died? Sargeras' spirit passed inside Aegwyn after his body "died" and after Medivh was slain nothing's known. Its certain he wasnt completely "dead" and we still have no clue about where he is. The Dragon Aspects are bound with all life on Azeroth and they all survived. Alexstraza, Nozdormu, Ysera, Neltharion (Deathwing) and one more i think whos name i totally forget. Its not like they "cant" die, its just they shouldnt if life is to remain on Azeroth
and about the Titans they didnt create life on the worlds they visited, they only reformed them in a state of order.
I was referring to Sargeras, as I've alwasy advocated that he didn't die. I also never said that they created life, only that they shaped it.
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i sure hope its not impossible to kill them, i do want to find out where Sargeras is and kick his ass in the last WoW expansion (before the game dies).
i sure hope its not impossible to kill them, i do want to find out where Sargeras is and kick his ass in the last WoW expansion (before the game dies).
Wasn't Archimonde killed in the end by a bunch of Wisps anyway? This is kind of the problem I have with Warcraft lore. You have say, this really powerful demon and in the end he is killed rather easily. But then, you find out that guy was nothing compared to maybe some other demon that's out there. And they just have all these uber powerful beings like Kil'Jaden or Illidan who maybe die, and then come back to life anyway and end up more powerful and after awhile I'm thinking, it's all reminding me of Dragon Ball Z now.
And now we've got Sargeras and eventually you might find out there's someone more badass than he is. And where does the escalation stop? But since I'm not as familiar with Warcraft lore as I'd like to be, I'm sure someone will clarify all of this for me.
But since I'm not as familiar with Warcraft lore as I'd like to be, I'm sure someone will clarify all of this for me.
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A lot of this stems from the fact that Warcraft Lore wasn't really finalized until WC III (and there are stil changes being made). For example, Sargeras was orginally just a minor character in the plot, acting only as Gul'dan's teacher. However, his role expanded greatly later on, and has now evolved into that of the main antagonist.
Most powerful of all are the Titans and thus also Sargeras. Nothing seems to stand above them (except perhaps some omnipresent and omnipotent being similar to God).
Archimonde and Kil'jaeden are currently the most powerful being threatening Azeroth, and while it is true that "mere" wisps killed Archimonde, the fact of it is that it wasn't just them that did it, the Night Elves had to sacrifice their immortality in order to do so.
And so far, the only character to have returned after death, materialized and not as a ghost, would be Medivh. Everything else stays dead. Excluding undead obviously
Oh, and if players ever do get to fight Sargeras, which is highly unlikely, it will never be part of the main storyline. Sargeras single-handedly destroyed entire species of demons for countless millenia, enslaved the Nathrezim and created the Eredar, amongst them Archimonde and Kil'jaeden. Given how hard Archimonde was to defeat, don't count on even scratching Sargeras.
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well i only ever played wc2 and 3 and that was years ago. the 2 charaters i remember teh most were zul'jin and zul'dan. i dont know why. they are probably minor characters, but i remember zul'jin was an axed thrower and he had a green beard :D:cool:
well i only ever played wc2 and 3 and that was years ago. the 2 charaters i remember teh most were zul'jin and zul'dan. i dont know why. they are probably minor characters, but i remember zul'jin was an axed thrower and he had a green beard :D:cool:
Zul'jin was kind of a minor character, having only played a role in WCII. He was the leader of the trolls, but besides that not very much (that I can think of, I might be forgetting something).
Gul'dan on the other hand (whom I'm sre you're referring to) was and still is a majro character. He was selected to be Kil'jaedens apprentice after Ner'zhul proved to be too difficult to control and manipulate. Gul'dan however wa extremely power hungry, and so made the orcs forsake their old shaman cultures and instead train as warlocks.
However, his thirst for power was what ultimately undid him, because just as Orgrim Doomhammer was to strike a fatal blow against the humans, Gul'dan fled with half of his forces (three clans iirc) into the Maelstrom in seach for the Tomb of Sargeras, where he hoped to acquire enough power to rival Kil'jaeden.
As a result, the orcs lost the Second War, and Gul'dan and all of his orcs were slain by the monsters they awakened.
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awesome lore behind Gul'dan. The new patch (2.1.0) for WoW will show something more about it and the history of the Black Temple, Teron Gorefiend etc. There's already a gameplay video out, the patch itself should be out next Wednesday!
Perhaps famous is the wrong word, but what I'm looking for is what character represents Warcraft, inlcuding WoW, the most?
Personally I'd go with either one of three characters; Arthas, Thrall or Illidan.
True, neither of them appeared before WCIII, but since then they have been two of the most known characters. Thrall has had a book written about him, was the focus of the Orc campaign, and has an isntance in WoW that reenacts his escape from the determent camps.
Arthas on the other hand was the main antagonist in WCIII, destroying the elven kingdom, summoning Archimonde (yes Kel'Thuzad did the actual ritual, but Arthas was a major part of it). Then he became the focus of the expasnion, after which he ended up as the most powerful being in Azeroth, and even Kil'jaeden seems to be afraid of him.
Illidan was also a major plot driver in both Reign of Chaos and Frozen Throne, and has now become the center of attention for the Burning Crusade. He's had a huge impact in shaping the course of events all from the inital and first invasion of the Burning Legion, preventing the second invasion, awakening the Naga, attempting to destroy the Lich King and recently in pretty much taking over Outland.
But personally, when I hear Warcraft, I think of Thrall, so my vote falls on him.
but snce it seems almost like most WC series fans came in around WCIII and/or WOW. i might say
Illidan, Arthas, or Thrall. the newer games seem to revovle around them. sep. Illidan and Arthas.
Same goes for Deathwing, and even though he's dead (supposedly) his spawn manages to cause some serious havoc even today.
Say what?
Kil'jaeden suffers from the same situation as Medivh. Since he hasn't appeared in the games at all except for in a game cinematic with Illidan in The Frozen Throne, most people wouldn't know who he is if you asked them.
But he's an interesting character. Once corrupted by demons, then saved by Thrall, then corrupted again by demons, then freeing himself and ultimately his people of the demons by sacrificing himself against Mannoroth.
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hes not dead! he's a Dragon Aspect and his life is bound to the life of Azeroth! It would be same as talking about Alexstraza being dead (a big no). His Black Brood of Blackwing still troubles the world but the fate of him isnt known. Whats certain is that hes not dead and he definitely shouldnt be killed. That could help provide endless "spawns of Deathwing" like Onyxia, Nefarian and god knows what else to come.
Medivh is unknown to those that havent played Warcraft 1 and WoW: Burning Crusade. People that played one or both of these games will know him best. The last Guardian, crazed by the spirit of the Dark Titan. Awesome.
about Illidan i dont think anyone doesnt like him after playing Warcraft 3 and the Frozen Throne. He wants power in the world, not to rule it and follows his own cause all the time (betrayed both Elves and Legion many times just to gain power). His lines in WC 3 were also awesome.
in one way, ur right that they shouldnt be judged that harshly since they dont have as much "potential" as smarter ones. But when it comes to fools in position of power... well, i think u get the idea.
What i ment about Arthas was that from a paladin that tried and should keep trying to protect their kingdom from the undead he ended up destroying the exact thing he swore to protect and becoming the one thing he tried to destroy (thats why the "hate" which i'd rather describe as "strongly dislike" more than actual hate).
If the Titans can die, then the Aspects can surely die as well. Question is how hard it is and if being trapped in Outland while it collapsed was enough.
I know at least one person that doesn't like Illidan
which Titan died? Sargeras' spirit passed inside Aegwyn after his body "died" and after Medivh was slain nothing's known. Its certain he wasnt completely "dead" and we still have no clue about where he is. The Dragon Aspects are bound with all life on Azeroth and they all survived. Alexstraza, Nozdormu, Ysera, Neltharion (Deathwing) and one more i think whos name i totally forget. Its not like they "cant" die, its just they shouldnt if life is to remain on Azeroth
and about the Titans they didnt create life on the worlds they visited, they only reformed them in a state of order.
Not only that, but what I like about what he did for the Orc race was show how agile and nimble they can be. You're used to just seeing Orcs with heavy axes and relying on brute force, but the Blademasters are more like martial artists and they use swords instead. And they are highly regarded in Orc society; I think in part because most Orcs are not capable of wielding weaponry in such a fasion.
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What I was referring to was the Encyclopedia:
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/encyclopedia/442.xml
True enough, the Titans are so powerful that probably nothing can kill them, but it's not impossible.
Wasn't Archimonde killed in the end by a bunch of Wisps anyway? This is kind of the problem I have with Warcraft lore. You have say, this really powerful demon and in the end he is killed rather easily. But then, you find out that guy was nothing compared to maybe some other demon that's out there. And they just have all these uber powerful beings like Kil'Jaden or Illidan who maybe die, and then come back to life anyway and end up more powerful and after awhile I'm thinking, it's all reminding me of Dragon Ball Z now.
And now we've got Sargeras and eventually you might find out there's someone more badass than he is. And where does the escalation stop? But since I'm not as familiar with Warcraft lore as I'd like to be, I'm sure someone will clarify all of this for me.
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A lot of this stems from the fact that Warcraft Lore wasn't really finalized until WC III (and there are stil changes being made). For example, Sargeras was orginally just a minor character in the plot, acting only as Gul'dan's teacher. However, his role expanded greatly later on, and has now evolved into that of the main antagonist.
Most powerful of all are the Titans and thus also Sargeras. Nothing seems to stand above them (except perhaps some omnipresent and omnipotent being similar to God).
Archimonde and Kil'jaeden are currently the most powerful being threatening Azeroth, and while it is true that "mere" wisps killed Archimonde, the fact of it is that it wasn't just them that did it, the Night Elves had to sacrifice their immortality in order to do so.
And so far, the only character to have returned after death, materialized and not as a ghost, would be Medivh. Everything else stays dead. Excluding undead obviously
Oh, and if players ever do get to fight Sargeras, which is highly unlikely, it will never be part of the main storyline. Sargeras single-handedly destroyed entire species of demons for countless millenia, enslaved the Nathrezim and created the Eredar, amongst them Archimonde and Kil'jaeden. Given how hard Archimonde was to defeat, don't count on even scratching Sargeras.
Gul'dan on the other hand (whom I'm sre you're referring to) was and still is a majro character. He was selected to be Kil'jaedens apprentice after Ner'zhul proved to be too difficult to control and manipulate. Gul'dan however wa extremely power hungry, and so made the orcs forsake their old shaman cultures and instead train as warlocks.
However, his thirst for power was what ultimately undid him, because just as Orgrim Doomhammer was to strike a fatal blow against the humans, Gul'dan fled with half of his forces (three clans iirc) into the Maelstrom in seach for the Tomb of Sargeras, where he hoped to acquire enough power to rival Kil'jaeden.
As a result, the orcs lost the Second War, and Gul'dan and all of his orcs were slain by the monsters they awakened.