You guys are bickering like a couple of old fucking nannies!
This is the deal.
All of you asked to have Carloseus as your leader. Therefor you asked to have someone give you commands! He gave you a very straightforward order.
Are you in or are you out?
Yes, this was a very harsh way of putting things but that is what you get when you put someone else in charge. You will always get commands that you do not like. You can't cry at every hard decision that someone forces you to make
I know that you have made sacrifices in order to keep everyone working together as a whole. And yes you are in Command, so the decision to make that order was your own. But you do need to remember that this isn't real life. People are not going to die and just because someone doesn't want to make the same sacrifice as you did, doesn't mean that they are not a friend.
You asked them to make a decision and they made it. Do not get angry at them because they didn't make the one you wanted them too.
So listen everyone because I am just going to say this once.
GROW THE FUCK UP! ALL OF YOU!
Stop blaming each other and just get over it. What is done, is done. There are now two Legions and I am sure that we can work together as separate Legions to keep SICK as strong, if not stronger, then ever before.
And if we can't do that then there is no point in having a Guild at all.
I shall await your responses and hope that we can bring this to a happy and swift conclusion for both parties.
Maestro, as we have pointed out several times, this incident was at the end of a buildup over a long period of time. As i said before, it was the lighting of the fuse. I know i can speak for some of the others who left when i say it wasnt the first time we contemplated leaving SLAYERS. So dont think that we based our entire decision upon the actions of Carloseus re the WoW sitation. But that did contribute to us leaving. Your right about the command thing, but i guess thats why we left, because we no longer wish to be under such leadership. Take note that in our new legion, we all contribute to every decision just as much as each other, and everybody is equal in our eyes. Now that we have a choice, we no longer want 1 designated leader controlling a majority of decisions made, let alone an authoritarian. By the way, there was no need for you to tell us to grow the fuck up, id expect that from somebody like Equinox. To tell the truth everybody has gone about this rather well, there has been no flaming or childish comments at all. Everything has been shaken up but things are already becoming settled again.
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Well I guess he was sort of implying all in or all out, but you can still negotiate right? I mean, if you're making a treaty or something it's not like you can always get what you want and still get what the other person wants. You have to negotiate and make an in-between agreement where both sides are happy and equal. Carlos didn't want negotiation he just wanted an all in or all out deal. In my opinion, if Carlos was the leader of our country, our country would be in ruins right now. *not to be harsh or anything.
I don't think anyone is blaming anyone at this point. o-o and I don't think Carlos is mad at anyone's decision for leaving SLAYERS.
I share this opinion highly, most of us tried negotiating and in the end Carlos gave us a decision to make, one that meant we were all in or all out.
So what if we chose out, what then? What was the point of us being in SLAYERS anyway? If a group of us are horde on destromath and our leader and a small few are alliance on Lethon, where do we become one legion? On the forums? Yeah, real fun.
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What makes me angry is that they up and quit SLAYERS. The decision they had to make was a big one indeed, but they didn't need to quit the guild- They wouldn't be punished or anything for the bad decision. We all want to still be friends, and I don't see why we can't just be in the same guild. It just seemed to me our former SLAYERS quit when things didn't go their way and our leader made a mistake. Honestly I think if Carlos could take the ultimatum back, he would.
I cant stress this enough: we didnt quit entirely because we didnt want to go all in. It was the last straw, the one big event that made us snap. Like i said earlier, many of us have contemplated leaving SLAYERS before. Course we are still friends, but being in the same guild isnt possible any longer. We no longer agree with the way SLAYERS is lead, and now we can craft our own legion, because all of its members share the same opinions and values, not to mention we have become VERY close playing WoW together.
Whats done is done and we plan to stay in Sentinels and make it grow. We will always remain an ally of Slayers and a part of SICK. Never forget that. Mostly, we are still friends.
Jarhead, as I have said to Caliban, I do respect your decision to leave the SLAYERS as it was your choice. I know that this has been building up for sometime now and that some of you had been on your last nerve.
The growing up bit was not pointed at flaming or childish comments. But more towards the bickering that is going on and the fact that some of you can't come to terms with what has happened and just shake hands over the matter.
I have been asked if I wanted to join this new clan of yours and if I too was going to leave SLAYERS but I do not have reason too. And until I have been pushed to the point of no return I will never feel the need.
So for now we will have to fight side-by-side as legions not as legionnaires. Which does not bother me at all because we are all fighting for the same cause are we not?
Shit, why can't people just pop open a beer and watch the footy or somethin? It's so much easier is Australia, cos no-one ever gives a shit........
What he is saying, is that though we may be Decurions in SENTINELS, we are still Legionnaires in the Guild Altogether. xD at least that is what i got from our conversation we had last night...
Is it just me, or does it seem that in the SLAYERS thread, people seem to rag on us, and when they come to the SENTINELS thread, people wish us good luck, and welcome us as a new legion =(... idk, thats just what i have observed since this all happened.
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